A grieving Palestinian mother in Gaza cries “All of this is because of the dogs of Hamas”.

[lwf]

Yes. The rapes are a special piece of evidence as to the nature of the attack. You might be able to get away with shooting youths in the back while they celebrated peace, or some shooting of babies, claiming that you aimed at something else, so this was not murder. But no one can rape by accident. It's like the systematic murder of civilians inside their homes - it displays unmistakable intention.

Or tossing a frag grenade into a concrete bomb shelter filled with terrified teenagers.

 

[lwf]

The OP is fake news, and it took me less than two minutes to find that out.

Are you saying the people in the clip in the OP are crisis actors? Or that she didn’t actually say what is alleged? Or are you simply saying this is an authentic clip of a woman blaming “all of this” on Hamas and it is simply being amplified by someone sympathetic to Israelis? And how did you come to this conclusion in less than 2 minutes?

Not suggesting you are wrong, I’m just curious how you found this out in less than 2 minutes?

 

[coyote505]

Maybe because Palestinian's lives are as valuable as Israeli lives?

You'd have a hard time guessing that from their actions!

 

[jmotivator]

Yea, Hamas snips Gazans which tries to move south and tries to put the blame on Israel. Sickening.

On a positive note, the Hamas troglodytes are now being hunted in their own tunnels by good dogs.

 

[jmotivator]

I see. You condemn Tlaib for saying exactly what the right-wing Israeli Likud party's charter says? Netanyahu is the leader of Likud:

Original Party Platform of the Likud Party

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Except that that "From the River to the Sea" means the destruction of the State of Israel and the murder of jews. The Likud Party while in power granted Gaza and the Westbank self rule and they used that to launch missiles and murder over a thousand Israelis....

Can you give me a comparable concession by the Hamas and the other Troglodytes for the right of Israel to exist?

Where in that Likud link does it say that they support the murder of all Palestinians? It says nothing like that. It says it seeks to live in peace with its neighbors while "From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free" is speaking of the all the land between the Jordan River and the ocean belonging to Palestine, which means the elimination of Israel.

If the Israelis ever launched a military offensive into Gaza or the West Bank without military provocation you and your ignorant Hamas supporters may have a point... but that point doesn't ever actually happen because when Islamists don't attack Israel there is peace, because Israel doesn't launch military operations in those regions when they are peaceful.

And of course, to the backwards piece of shit troglodytes in charge of "Palestine" that means murdering their own people who don't want to martyr themselves to the troglodytes cause...



I mean seriously, you have gotten your ignorant ass handed to you so many times in the last few weeks I just assumed you had admitted defeat and squirmed away... but here you are, back and as ignorant as ever.

 

[snakestretcher]

Except that that "From the River to the Sea" means the destruction of the State of Israel and the murder of jews. The Likud Party while in power granted Gaza and the Westbank self rule and they used that to launch missiles and murder over a thousand Israelis....

Can you give me a comparable concession by the Hamas and the other Troglodytes for the right of Israel to exist?

Where in that Likud link does it say that they support the murder of all Palestinians? It says nothing like that. It says it seeks to live in peace with its neighbors while "From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free" is speaking of the all the land between the Jordan River and the ocean belonging to Palestine, which means the elimination of Israel.

If the Israelis ever launched a military offensive into Gaza or the West Bank without military provocation you and your ignorant Hamas supporters may have a point... but that point doesn't ever actually happen because when Islamists don't attack Israel there is peace, because Israel doesn't launch military operations in those regions when they are peaceful.

And of course, to the backwards piece of shit troglodytes in charge of "Palestine" that means murdering their own people who don't want to martyr themselves to the troglodytes cause...

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I mean seriously, you have gotten your ignorant ass handed to you so many times in the last few weeks I just assumed you had admitted defeat and squirmed away... but here you are, back and as ignorant as ever.

Seriously? Israel has been practising state sanctioned apartheid for decades. Why would the Arabs accept that? In Ben Gurion's words; "They see but one thing, we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel".

 

[jmotivator]

Seriously? Israel has been practising state sanctioned apartheid for decades.

No the **** it hasn't. Palestinians wanted their own land to control and they got it. That is not apartheid. ISRAEL doesn't segregate. You know who DOES segregate? HAMAS. Hamas is the ruling power of Gaza. Care to tell me how many Christians, Jews, or Non-Arabs they have in their government?

Here is a list of past and current Muslims in the Knesset.

Arabs, Muslims, Christians, etc. can have businesses and hold elected positions within Israel, the same is not true for Hamas, or Hezbollah or the PLO, and on and on.

Your ignorant regurgitation of idiotic Islamist propaganda isn't an argument. You should probably learn what words mean.

Why would the Arabs accept that? In Ben Gurion's words; "They see but one thing, we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel".

You don't seem to realize what that statement means. The first sentence sets up the perspective of the "Palestinians", it doesn't VALIDATE that perspective. The logical inference that flows from there is reliant on that opening statement.

Yes, anyone who believes something was stolen from them is less likely to relinquish their claim... uh.. duh? But that isn't saying that that thing was actually stolen.

For all the screaming and bullshit from the Arab world on the founding of the state of Israel, they always seem to be rather silent on the fact that most Arab states were drawn up by colonial western powers.... does Iraq feel they occupy stolen land (Established from a British colony in 1932)? How about Iran (boundaries drawn by Allied forces in 1943)? Qatar (colonial rule until 1971)? And on and on.

What the dumbshits want to argue is that while Gaza, the West Bank, and almost the entire ****ing Arab world has carried out Fatwas against non-Muslims and non-Arabs for generations leading to steadily declining populations (still laughing at your idiotic attempt to paint the Iranian Jewish population as thriving ) what you call "Israeli Apartheid" is anything but. It's the same old tired gaslighting from the same old ignorant lemmings.

 

[Absentglare]

Please don't go there. Netanyahu and his far right people were finished by this and he knew it. That's why he invited Gantz to work with the government and gave him carte blanche to pick cabinet far righties to get rid of when he did (two were immediately let go). Netanyahu knows that, after the attack on the judiciary, this event made it impossible for him to stay in power - he'll lose next year. But Israel still has to get rid of Hamas.

Why not go there? Until Netanyahu is gone, his conduct is fair game for scrutiny. He was warned, personally, by Egypt! Israel was embroiled with mass protests, left vulnerable because of Netanyahu.

 

[RetiredUSN]

But you're happy accepting conservative hypocrisy, right? Here's just a couple of examples of many:

House Democrats Highlight Republican Hypocrisy in Agriculture-Rural Development-FDA Funding Bill

During today’s House Appropriations Committee markup of the 2024 Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies funding bill, House Democrats highlighted how Republicans are slashing rural investments and critical food programs.

democrats-appropriations.house.gov

Republican hypocrisy - Breaking Republican hypocrisy News, Analysis, Photos and Videos | The Hill

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Do you think I care about what some poster from the UK has to say?

 

[spud_meister]

No, that is quite ordinary, and many nations have bases in central parts of big cities. It's different from building an underground military tunnel directly under a civilian hospital or setting up a military position immediately behind a primary school.

How is it different? Aren't military bases military targets?

I would need links from you on this - and any West Bank or Jerusalem events would be irrelevant here, when we're talking about Gaza. Do you mean Israel kills hundreds of Gazan Palestinians every year?

Why? Hamas acts for all Palestinians, not just Gazans.

 

[snakestretcher]

Do you think I care about what some poster from the UK has to say?

Why would I care what some poster from the US thinks I have to say?

 

[snakestretcher]

No the **** it hasn't. Palestinians wanted their own land to control and they got it. That is not apartheid. ISRAEL doesn't segregate. You know who DOES segregate? HAMAS. Hamas is the ruling power of Gaza. Care to tell me how many Christians, Jews, or Non-Arabs they have in their government?

Here is a list of past and current Muslims in the Knesset.

Arabs, Muslims, Christians, etc. can have businesses and hold elected positions within Israel, the same is not true for Hamas, or Hezbollah or the PLO, and on and on.

Your ignorant regurgitation of idiotic Islamist propaganda isn't an argument. You should probably learn what words mean.



You don't seem to realize what that statement means. The first sentence sets up the perspective of the "Palestinians", it doesn't VALIDATE that perspective. The logical inference that flows from there is reliant on that opening statement.

Yes, anyone who believes something was stolen from them is less likely to relinquish their claim... uh.. duh? But that isn't saying that that thing was actually stolen.

For all the screaming and bullshit from the Arab world on the founding of the state of Israel, they always seem to be rather silent on the fact that most Arab states were drawn up by colonial western powers.... does Iraq feel they occupy stolen land (Established from a British colony in 1932)? How about Iran (boundaries drawn by Allied forces in 1943)? Qatar (colonial rule until 1971)? And on and on.

What the dumbshits want to argue is that while Gaza, the West Bank, and almost the entire ****ing Arab world has carried out Fatwas against non-Muslims and non-Arabs for generations leading to steadily declining populations (still laughing at your idiotic attempt to paint the Iranian Jewish population as thriving ) what you call "Israeli Apartheid" is anything but. It's the same old tired gaslighting from the same old ignorant lemmings.

That couldn't be more simplistic, or replete with cliched western pro-Israeli rhetoric, if you tried.

 

[Aristaeus]

It is forced to, as it there is no other way to engage in warfare with a terrorist organization that is hiding behind civilian human shields.

Yes there is. Do you think the IRA lived in ****ing fields or something?

 

[Apocalypse]

Yes there is. Do you think the IRA lived in ****ing fields or something?

Nonsensical comparison.

 

[Apocalypse]

Israel has a major military base in central Tel Aviv. If staging military activity from residential areas is "human shields", then Israel's always done it.

This is stupid. If Hamas had military bases within Gaza they will simply be attacked. It's not the case, they are firing from rooftops of civilian houses, fighting from tunnels underneath civilian houses, using mosques and hospitals and schools deliberately as military assets.

 

[spud_meister]

This is stupid. If Hamas had military bases within Gaza they will simply be attacked. It's not the case, they are firing from rooftops of civilian houses, fighting from tunnels underneath civilian houses, using mosques and hospitals and schools deliberately as military assets.

Does Israel permit Hamas to construct dedicated military infrastructure?

 

[Apocalypse]

Why not go there? Until Netanyahu is gone, his conduct is fair game for scrutiny. He was warned, personally, by Egypt! Israel was embroiled with mass protests, left vulnerable because of Netanyahu.

That has actually turned out to be fake news. And he wouldn't have been "warned personally" by some unnamed Egyptian official too. The only one who speaks personally to Netanyahu from Egypt is al-Sisi.

 

[Apocalypse]

Does Israel permit Hamas to construct dedicated military infrastructure?

No more and no less than it permits it to construct tunnels, create rockets and conduct massive trainings in the Gaza Strip.
Why are you trying to excuse Hamas placing rockets in schools? Using ambulances for hiding and moving forces? Trying to murder Israeli civilians with rockets from the houses of Gazan civilians?

 

[spud_meister]

No more and no less than it permits it to construct tunnels, create rockets and conduct massive trainings in the Gaza Strip.
Why are you trying to excuse Hamas placing rockets in schools? Using ambulances for hiding and moving forces? Trying to murder Israeli civilians with rockets from the houses of Gazan civilians?

Because Hamas doesn't have an alternative. Gaza's the most densely populated place on earth, and with Israel blocking supplies to it, there's simply no alternative to using preexisting infrastructure. Israel's no gonna let Hamas build a tank factory and a couple of SAM launch sites in open farmland, are they? Hell, Israel demolishes civilian infrastructure in such areas anyway

 

[Apocalypse]

Because Hamas doesn't have an alternative. Gaza's the most densely populated place on earth, and with Israel blocking supplies to it, there's simply no alternative to using preexisting infrastructure. Israel's no gonna let Hamas build a tank factory and a couple of SAM launch sites in open farmland, are they? Hell, Israel demolishes civilian infrastructure in such areas anyway

It doesn't merely use preexisting infrastructure, it uses schools and hospitals and mosques deliberately to gain propaganda value when Israel is forced to target their infrastructure and members there.
It's actively working to get civilians killed and that's why they're so eager to prevent civilians from moving to the south, constructing road blocks and even shooting at those civilians, because they need human shields.

But I guess their genocidal goal of murdering Jewish civilians makes it okay for you to accept sacrificing a bunch of Palestinian civilians.

 

[jmotivator]

That couldn't be more simplistic, or replete with cliched western pro-Israeli rhetoric, if you tried.

Your projection can be seen from the moon.

What you are seeing isn't a simplistic argument, it's the fact that your idiotic argument doesn't hold up to even the most cursory evaluation.

Gaza, the West Bank and most of the Arab world are the Apartheid states. They segregate by religion and ethnicity ... where they don't outright murder based on religion and ethnicity. Meanwhile Israel is a free and open society that doesn't segregate.

Quick question: What would be happening in Gaza today if Hamas hadn't murdered 1,400 people in Israel on October 7th?

Follow-up Question: What would be happening in Gaza today had Hamas not dug up miles of water lines to turn the pipes into missiles and spent their aid money on power generators and desalinization plants and focused on peaceful coexistence rather than the extermination of the Jews?

 

[eohrnberger]

No the **** it hasn't. Palestinians wanted their own land to control and they got it. That is not apartheid. ISRAEL doesn't segregate. You know who DOES segregate? HAMAS. Hamas is the ruling power of Gaza. Care to tell me how many Christians, Jews, or Non-Arabs they have in their government?

Here is a list of past and current Muslims in the Knesset.

The entire 'Israel supports apartheid policies' is dead on arrival, debunked, misinformation / disinformation, pro-Hamas political propaganda.

Arabs, Muslims, Christians, etc. can have businesses and hold elected positions within Israel, the same is not true for Hamas, or Hezbollah or the PLO, and on and on.

Your ignorant regurgitation of idiotic Islamist propaganda isn't an argument. You should probably learn what words mean.



You don't seem to realize what that statement means. The first sentence sets up the perspective of the "Palestinians", it doesn't VALIDATE that perspective. The logical inference that flows from there is reliant on that opening statement.

Yes, anyone who believes something was stolen from them is less likely to relinquish their claim... uh.. duh? But that isn't saying that that thing was actually stolen.

For all the screaming and bullshit from the Arab world on the founding of the state of Israel, they always seem to be rather silent on the fact that most Arab states were drawn up by colonial western powers.... does Iraq feel they occupy stolen land (Established from a British colony in 1932)? How about Iran (boundaries drawn by Allied forces in 1943)? Qatar (colonial rule until 1971)? And on and on.

What the dumbshits want to argue is that while Gaza, the West Bank, and almost the entire ****ing Arab world has carried out Fatwas against non-Muslims and non-Arabs for generations leading to steadily declining populations (still laughing at your idiotic attempt to paint the Iranian Jewish population as thriving ) what you call "Israeli Apartheid" is anything but. It's the same old tired gaslighting from the same old ignorant lemmings.

 

[lwf]

Yes there is. Do you think the IRA lived in ****ing fields or something?

The IRA wasn’t the entire government and military of Northern Ireland, didn’t use civilian hostages as human shields, and killed a fraction of the number of innocent civilians throughout their entire history that Hamas did in a few hours on 10/7. And their goal was not the eradication of all English people.

Don’t conflate one terrorist group with another. They have their own agendas, goals, and policies on terrorist tactics. Hamas are not freedom fighters. They are brutal, genocidal terrorists who need to face justice for their crimes.

 

[Michael Cole]

Because Hamas doesn't have an alternative. Gaza's the most densely populated place on earth, and with Israel blocking supplies to it, there's simply no alternative to using preexisting infrastructure. Israel's no gonna let Hamas build a tank factory and a couple of SAM launch sites in open farmland, are they? Hell, Israel demolishes civilian infrastructure in such areas anyway

How on earth has Hamas built an underground city without supplies? Without cement?

The blockade has not stopped supplies from reaching Gaza. It has directed the flow to checkpoints, that's all. Are you aware that Israel itself has given concrete to Gaza to repair the homes damaged in the bombings over the years? Do you think this cement has gone to the civilians?

From 2016. Israel had put a hold on its own shipments of cement (while allowing foreign shipments to continue) for 45 days, then it resumed. This cement went to tunnel construction, not to rebuild civilian homes. Should we not blame Hamas?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-cement-idUSKCN0YE11R

 

[Red_Dave]

This is promising.

They got rid of Hamas in the West Bank and that didn´t do them any good.