A former neighbor of Joe Biden's accuser Tara Reade has come forward to corroborate

[TamleeB]

Being pissed if you aren't being believed about a real incident would be even more reason to file a civil suit, to force testimony.

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Perhaps in the end she will. None of us know if she is telling the truth, but just as in the Ford case, she deserves to be heard and taken seriously (#all women should be believed). I don't think this is going away anytime soon, as there are several people who have come forward to say they she told them about the attack. Time will tell.

 

[code1211]

I see ford and reade to both not be credible witnesses

I see the various folks who have corroborated the event described by Reade to have added credibility.

Also the recorded call in by Reade's mother to the Larry King Live Show.

I see the "witnesses" cited by Blasey-Ford that all denied what Blasey-Ford claimed or ever knew anything regarding the Blasey-Ford allegations as undermining her credibility.

Do YOU know of ANYONE who has come forward and testified as a contemporaneous witness to anything that supports Blasey-Ford's allegations.

If yes, please link to that contemporaneous account.

 

[roguenuke]

Perhaps in the end she will. None of us know if she is telling the truth, but just as in the Ford case, she deserves to be heard and taken seriously (#all women should be believed). I don't think this is going away anytime soon, as there are several people who have come forward to say they she told them about the attack. Time will tell.

She is being heard. She does not deserve to be believed when there are so many holes in her story.

Actually only 3 have said she told them about the assault. 1 is her brother, who changed his story after she did. 1 is her still unidentified friend, so no chance to verify. 1 is a random neighbor who has a strange story about the confession that has its own holes.

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[roguenuke]

I see the various folks who have corroborated the event described by Reade to have added credibility.

Also the recorded call in by Reade's mother to the Larry King Live Show.

I see the "witnesses" cited by Blasey-Ford that all denied what Blasey-Ford claimed or ever knew anything regarding the Blasey-Ford allegations as undermining her credibility.

Do YOU know of ANYONE who has come forward and testified as a contemporaneous witness to anything that supports Blasey-Ford's allegations.

If yes, please link to that contemporaneous account.

The mothers call actually doesn't support the sexual assault claim well at all.

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[code1211]

I think it's simpler than that. People pick a lane and they drive in it. They don't care to learn more of the layout of the land, to change lanes and adapt. They just want to stay between the lines, and they assume that that's just the best way for everybody.

Like the left says, its "performative." They believe because it makes them fit in, not because they've come to reasoned conclusions through careful study. The more I learn and explore new ideas, the more I recognize how often I've been on auto-pilot in my own past.

I believe people can be reached; they can learn. But they might refuse to, and it might take more patience than society can muster.

Edit: I want to make clear that I think this applies to people raised in all ideologies -- left, right, up, or down.

I agree.

Personally, I was raised in a Catholic, Democrat (Farmer labor) Union household. "The Rich" were cited continuously as being beneficiaries of dishonesty.

JFK was of an only slightly lower stature than Jesus Christ.

Hubert Humphrey was on the same rung as JFK.

I voted for Reagan after the Carter Administration, first and only Republican vote I had ever cast, but still considered my self to be a Democrat. Then I was accused of being a Republican. I was outraged.

At some point, my upbringing valuing the things I was taught, overcame the labels that were applied. The Democrat party left me and went to the topic areas where they now reside.

I'm guessing my realization, finally, that I was not Democrat was similar to the realization within gay people that they are not straight.

Telling my parents was torturous. If I told them I had converted to Judaism, it would have had the same impact.

I was never able to make my parents believe that every value and idea that they held dear was opposed by the Democrat Party. They died as they lived: Dyed in the wool Democrats who were dyed in the wool Conservatives.

What was funny was that the belief system was not changed. It was only the label. The label is what was cherished.

Might as well put a Chevy badge on a Ford. People are funny.

 

[vegas giants]

I see the various folks who have corroborated the event described by Reade to have added credibility.

Also the recorded call in by Reade's mother to the Larry King Live Show.

I see the "witnesses" cited by Blasey-Ford that all denied what Blasey-Ford claimed or ever knew anything regarding the Blasey-Ford allegations as undermining her credibility.

Do YOU know of ANYONE who has come forward and testified as a contemporaneous witness to anything that supports Blasey-Ford's allegations.

If yes, please link to that contemporaneous account.

I see you as partisan. If reade is credible why wont she name Biden in her complaint.

 

[roguenuke]

I see the various folks who have corroborated the event described by Reade to have added credibility.

Also the recorded call in by Reade's mother to the Larry King Live Show.

I see the "witnesses" cited by Blasey-Ford that all denied what Blasey-Ford claimed or ever knew anything regarding the Blasey-Ford allegations as undermining her credibility.

Do YOU know of ANYONE who has come forward and testified as a contemporaneous witness to anything that supports Blasey-Ford's allegations.

If yes, please link to that contemporaneous account.

No one has actually come forward as a witness for Reades story. Those who are corroborating it claim she told them what happened. However, her brothers story changed after hers did. The other person she identified as telling the story to refuses to be identified, so hard to verify. And the last persons story actually itself would contradict what Reade stated earlier, that she only told 3 people, and one, her mother, had died.

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[Tahuyaman]

The hypocrisy by the partisan democrats and liberals is obvious on this one. Of course they will either deny the hypocrisy exists or somehow try to excuse or justify it.

The hypocrisy by the partisan republicans and conservatives is obvious on this one. Of course they will either deny the hypocrisy exists or somehow try to excuse or justify it.

Please explain how conservatives are hypocritical on this?

 

[Tahuyaman]

No one has actually come forward as a witness for Reades story. Those who are corroborating it claim she told them what happened. However, her brothers story changed after hers did. The other person she identified as telling the story to refuses to be identified, so hard to verify. And the last persons story actually itself would contradict what Reade stated earlier, that she only told 3 people, and one, her mother, had died.

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I believe Biden should get the benefit of doubt on this. My only issue is the way the media treated this accusation compared to the way they treated a similar accusation with no evidence of a Supreme Court nominee.

 

[roguenuke]

I believe Biden should get the benefit of doubt on this. My only issue is the way the media treated this accusation compared to the way they treated a similar accusation with no evidence of a Supreme Court nominee.

There were different situations and differences in the stories being told as well. Kavanaugh was already facing a Senate hearing as a SC nominee. He was not facing said hearing during the middle of a pandemic. While Fords story would not be able to get a conviction given lack of evidence, it was always consistent (the story itself) when she shared it. Reades story changed from last year to now, and as more evidence comes out, even more holes appear and inconsistencies.

In fact, one of the big things that sticks out to me is the moms call. I cannot imagine saying something like my child wouldn't go to the press <concerning a sexual assault (or even sexual harassment)> out of respect for his/her boss. This was the mother talking. At the least there would derision in that comment, hate, sarcasm, and most likely the use of the word fear. There would be no belief that it was out of respect. Unless she was told something much milder, and that prompted the call.

Plus, how much press, attention have accusations against Trump gotten?

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[Tahuyaman]

There were different situations and differences in the stories being told as well. Kavanaugh was already facing a Senate hearing as a SC nominee. He was not facing said hearing during the middle of a pandemic. While Fords story would not be able to get a conviction given lack of evidence, it was always consistent (the story itself) when she shared it. Reades story changed from last year to now, and as more evidence comes out, even more holes appear and inconsistencies.

In fact, one of the big things that sticks out to me is the moms call. I cannot imagine saying something like my child wouldn't go to the press <concerning a sexual assault (or even sexual harassment)> out of respect for his/her boss. This was the mother talking. At the least there would derision in that comment, hate, sarcasm, and most likely the use of the word fear. There would be no belief that it was out of respect. Unless she was told something much milder, and that prompted the call.

Plus, how much press, attention have accusations against Trump gotten?

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Are you really trying to justify the clear hypocrisy demonstrated on this one?

 

[roguenuke]

Are you really trying to justify the clear hypocrisy demonstrated on this one?

No hypocrisy. You cannot compare story for story, story count for two different situations, with two different types of nominees, in two different sets of circumstances, with different information coming from the accusers, and claim there is absolute hypocrisy there.

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[Tahuyaman]

No hypocrisy. You cannot compare story for story, story count for two different situations, with two different types of nominees, in two different sets of circumstances, with different information coming from the accusers, and claim there is absolute hypocrisy there.

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I guess when someone is guided by partisanship, they can justify anything.

 

[vegas giants]

Please explain how conservatives are hypocritical on this?

Pick a standard. Any standard. And apply it to both candidates. Anything other than that is hypocrisy

 

[Tahuyaman]

Pick a standard. Any standard. And apply it to both candidates. Anything other than that is hypocrisy

And I’ve supported applying the same standard to Biden you applied to other accused high profile people. You do not support that.

 

[vegas giants]

And I’ve supported applying the same standard to Biden you applied to other accused high profile people. You do not support that.

I did? Ford was not a credible witness in the kavanaugh hearing

 

[Tahuyaman]

I did? Ford was not a credible witness in the kavanaugh hearing

The media / liberals / Democrats and even Biden sure thought that she was then. In fact they still think she was credible. I suspect you do too, but know that you would expose yourself by admitting that.

 

[roguenuke]

I guess when someone is guided by partisanship, they can justify anything.

As you are trying. You are not willing to recognize the very different situations.

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[vegas giants]

The media / liberals / Democrats and even Biden sure thought that she was then. In fact they still think she was credible. I suspect you do too, but know that you would expose yourself by admitting that.

Ok. Let's pick the kavanaugh standard.


So all candidates should get the kavanaugh treatment....agreed?

 

[roguenuke]

And I’ve supported applying the same standard to Biden you applied to other accused high profile people. You do not support that.

The standard is looking at the evidence being provided, statements given by the accuser, the accused, and witnesses. The mothers call actually works to bring more doubt to her story of sexual assault. The inconsistencies, the story changes, the attitude changes all work against her. There are certainly things against him. The other complaints (although these support her initial allegation far better). The friends that say she told them (although that is in no way a smoking gun, since they weren't witnesses, just provide hearsay, much like Fords husband and therapist).

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[Tahuyaman]

Ok. Let's pick the kavanaugh standard.


So all candidates should get the kavanaugh treatment....agreed?

Is that the position I have advocated?

I have clearly said that Biden should receive the benefit of doubt until an investigation either clears him or confirms the accusation.

That was not the standard applied to Kavanaugh.

 

[Tahuyaman]

As you are trying. You are not willing to recognize the very different situations.

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The situations are quite similar. The only real difference is one accusation is directed at a then powerful senator and the other was against a high school kid at a time, place and date the accuser couldn’t remember.

 

[Bodi]

The story is here.

Can this guy hang on as Dem nominee? This could be a fatal weakness. And it's certainly exposing some mainstream media outlets. Quite a development!

She says that the assault happened: "“This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it.”"

So, the assault happened because she remembers "talking about it"? uuhhh... That is not how things work.

 

[Tahuyaman]

It’s obvious that some are not comfortable having their hypocrisy called out.

 

[Tahuyaman]

She says that the assault happened: "“This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it.”"

So, the assault happened because she remembers "talking about it"? uuhhh... That is not how things work.

Will you support a formal investigation?