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99 shot in one week, 24 dead

HenryChinaski said:
Many of them were bought legally from the same circle of gun stores and sold to gang members for profit.
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I am sure most of the guns were bought legally at one point, but you are going to have to prove those legal gun owners then sold them to the criminals.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I am not going to list every ambulance chaser in the country that uses the self induced crime rate as a reason to pas more restrictive gun laws that don't work. There isn't enough room in the forum.
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its always fun watching black democrats demanding more laws that they want to harass white gun owners with due to the crimes committed by black thugs in democrat run cities. I remember watching former black democrat congressman whining to Helen Chenoweth (who was hard core right wing pro gun Idaho republican) about "whites and their guns" when it was blacks with illegally possessed guns that were causing most of the problems Owens whined about. But there is no doubt that lots of black democrats see gun control as a way to attack white/right wingers
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Just for some historical perspective:

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Murder rates in Chicago are high still, but lower than they used to be. The problem is that they are still considerably higher than most cites by quite a margin. Moreover, the appearance that Chicago is so dangerous is just bad for the city.
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It isn't the, "gun culture", then?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Virtually ever major city in the country is ran by Democrats and have been for decades. With very few exceptions, all of our cities are "quintessential Democrat" cities. Also given his statements on the matter, to claim that Obama is not concerned with gun murders is ridiculous.
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A sign that liberal policies don't work.
 
dimensionallava said:
seriously is that the only reason why?
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actually leftwing politicians also push gun laws to pander to slow witted sheeple who reflexively scream for solutions every time the media whips up the bleatings after a mass shooting
 
TurtleDude said:
its always fun watching black democrats demanding more laws that they want to harass white gun owners with due to the crimes committed by black thugs in democrat run cities. I remember watching former black democrat congressman whining to Helen Chenoweth (who was hard core right wing pro gun Idaho republican) about "whites and their guns" when it was blacks with illegally possessed guns that were causing most of the problems Owens whined about. But there is no doubt that lots of black democrats see gun control as a way to attack white/right wingers
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To solve a problem one has to look at the actual cause of the problem. It will never get solved in big cities. It doesn't fit the agenda. On the whole the human race is pretty stupid.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Actually, he talks about gun deaths in general all the time. Even when he gives a speech in the aftermath of a mass shooting, he always points out that most gun deaths are in the inner cities. For example, in January he made this statement:

" Every single year, more than 30,000 Americans have their lives cut short by guns -- 30,000. Suicides. Domestic violence. Gang shootouts. Accidents. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have lost brothers and sisters, or buried their own children. Many have had to learn to live with a disability, or learned to live without the love of their life. "

Here is another quote:

"“Our unalienable right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness were stripped from college kids in Blacksburg and Santa Barbara, and from high schoolers in Columbine, and from first-graders in Newtown. First-graders. And from every family who never imagined that their loved one would be taken from their lives by a bullet of a gun,” Obama said, pausing to wipe away tears. “Every time I think about those kids, it gets me mad. And by the way, it happens on the streets of Chicago everyday.”

So whether one agrees with Obama on guns or not, its simply not correct at all that he doesn't talk about inner city violence or what happens in Chicago.
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Is he doing a presser today about the 99 People shot over past week?
 
TurtleDude said:
actually leftwing politicians also push gun laws to pander to slow witted sheeple who reflexively scream for solutions every time the media whips up the bleatings after a mass shooting
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are you sure its so the blacks can confiscate the white mans guns and then get revenge on them for slavery? are you sure thats not why?
 
TurtleDude said:
its always fun watching black democrats demanding more laws that they want to harass white gun owners with due to the crimes committed by black thugs in democrat run cities. I remember watching former black democrat congressman whining to Helen Chenoweth (who was hard core right wing pro gun Idaho republican) about "whites and their guns" when it was blacks with illegally possessed guns that were causing most of the problems Owens whined about. But there is no doubt that lots of black democrats see gun control as a way to attack white/right wingers
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They can't excercise as much control over the people as long as we're armed.
 
There are things that can be done and Barack Obama should play the key role as the President. He could send in the national guard and declare a state of emergency in that area. With that many deaths this year, it certainly qualifies. But he doesn't? The bigger question then is why? We can talk all day long about how we got to this point and there are major players in the causation. However, to fix it you must regain control. Every illegal gun owner should be arrested. Every gun confiscated. Every neighborhood under lock down. Put in place serious penalties for having these illegal guns. Clean it up and then you can begin to stop the future progression. They need a modern day Elliott Ness if you ask me - but then again, nobody does.
 
dimensionallava said:
whats a gun culture? just like confederate flags and stuff?
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The, "gun culture", is all we hear out of the anti-gunners and how gun ownership, alone, is responsible for gun violence--suicides and accidents being included so as to artificially inflate the numbers.
 
Patrickt said:
"Nearly 100 people have been shot in Chicago in less than a week, pushing the number of shooting victims so far this year to more than 2,500 — about 800 more than this time last year, according to data kept by the Tribune.

"Between last Friday afternoon and early Thursday, at least 99 people were shot in the city, 24 of them fatally. At least nine people were killed on Monday alone, the deadliest day in Chicago in 13 years, according to Tribune data. Among the wounded that day was a 10-year-old boy shot in the back as he played on his front porch in Lawndale.


"The number of shooting victims in Chicago stood at 2,514 Thursday morning. At this time last year, 1,725 people had been shot. The city has not seen this level of gun violence since the 1990s, a trend the Police Department has blamed on lax gun laws and feuding gang factions."
Nearly 100 people shot in Chicago in less than a week - Chicago Tribune

I realize this is just a local story. It doesn't merit national attention as do some that get the president's attention. Of course, Chicago is noted for it's lax gun laws. Chicago is a rolling tragedy and no seems particularly concerned.
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" Black Lives Matter !! "
 
HenryChinaski said:
. https://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/straw-purchases-law-atf-gun/
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I guess you were wrong then. It is nice that you are honest enough to admit it.

First line from your link:
Minnesota is the latest to enact laws to prevent "nominee purchases" and stem the flow of illegal guns. But do they work?
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Earlier this month, Minnesota became the latest state to enact a law banning “straw purchasing,” or the act of buying a gun on behalf of someone else. It’s the same mechanics behind purchasing alcohol for a minor, only instead of cases of beer, deadly weapons changes hands. A buyer makes a legal purchase of a gun before handing the goods off to someone else. In many cases, the recipient is prohibited from purchasing or possessing a gun, and the purchaser knows it.
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It was already illegal. The BATF is controlled by the DOJ. Lynch is the AG, which runs the DOJ. Obama appointed Lynch. I guess nobody is doing their job so now it is twice as illegal to purchase a weapon illegally. That won't work either since you can't charge a person twice for the same crime (double jeopardy).
 
apdst said:
The 2nd Amendment hasn't been abolished, yet.
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Where is gun trafficking mentioned in the second amendment? Where does it say in the second amendment that I can walk into a gun shop, legally purchase a weapon and then sell or trade it to a convicted felon for cash and drugs?
 
NonoBadDog said:
I guess you were wrong then. It is nice that you are honest enough to admit it.

First line from your link:

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It was already illegal. The BATF is controlled by the DOJ. Lynch is the AG, which runs the DOJ. Obama appointed Lynch. I guess nobody is doing their job so now it is twice as illegal to purchase a weapon illegally. That won't work either since you can't charge a person twice for the same crime (double jeopardy).
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Straw purchasing isn't illegal at the federal level and in states like Indiana it's barely a slap on the wrist. A majority of guns that the gangbangers use here were bought by slack Jawed hillbillies in Indiana sold for a few bucks or traded for meth.
Similarly, an ongoing study of how Chicago gang members get their guns has found that only a trivial percentage obtained them by direct purchase from a store. To the extent that gun dealers are implicated in supplying dangerous people, it is more so by accommodating straw purchasers and traffickers than in selling directly to customers they know to be disqualified.
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NonoBadDog said:
I guess you were wrong then. It is nice that you are honest enough to admit it.

First line from your link:

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It was already illegal. The BATF is controlled by the DOJ. Lynch is the AG, which runs the DOJ. Obama appointed Lynch. I guess nobody is doing their job so now it is twice as illegal to purchase a weapon illegally. That won't work either since you can't charge a person twice for the same crime (double jeopardy).
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looks like you found somebody who has normal reasonable opinions about gun control better start harassing him about court cases from the 1800's and make up a bunch of childish names to call him like antigunner or "banneroid" make sure you challenge his intelligence and masculinity then mix in some casual racism about black people for good measure, anything to avoid talking about the 100's of different issues concerning inner city crime
 
HenryChinaski said:
Straw purchasing isn't's illegal at the federal level and in states like Indiana it's barely a slap on the wrist. A majority of begonias that the gangbangers use here were bought by slack Jawed hillbillies in Indiana sold for a few bucks or traded for meth.
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Yeah, straw purchases ARE illegal at the federal level. They are a federal felony. You might want to research that.
 
dimensionallava said:
looks like you found somebody who has normal reasonable opinions about gun control better start harassing him about court cases from the 1800's and make up a bunch of childish names to call him like antigunner or "banneroid" make sure you challenge his intelligence and masculinity then mix in some casual racism about black people for good measure, anything to avoid talking about the 100's of different issues concerning inner city crime
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You couldn't handle a debate so you make up ridiculous projections. It must be Friday, or Monday, or any one of the days in the week. Frustrated?
 
NonoBadDog said:
You couldn't handle a debate so you start off with ridiculous projections. It must be Friday, or Monday, or any one of the days in the week. Frustrated?
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debate about what?
 
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