9/11 EVERYTHING but the steel was exploded into dust before it hit the ground

[creativedreams]

Here there is a symetrical eplosion completely around the perimeter before the top has even completely met the next floor below.

How can EVERYTHING except the steel be exploded into pulverized concrete dust before it even hits the ground?

EVERY picture of Ground Zero where the Twin Towers stood is evidence of explosives being used in the fact that almost NOTHING is left but a sea of steel.........and this happened before it even hits the ground!

Look at this picture above.....EVERYTHING except the steel was EXPLODED into pulverized dust before it even hit the ground and settled in a thick layer of dust throughout the city.

 

[youknow]

Here there is a symetrical eplosion completely around the perimeter before the top has even completely met the next floor below.

How can EVERYTHING except the steel be exploded into pulverized concrete dust before it even hits the ground?

EVERY picture of Ground Zero where the Twin Towers stood is evidence of explosives being used in the fact that almost NOTHING is left but a sea of steel.........and this happened before it even hits the ground!

Look at this picture above.....EVERYTHING except the steel was EXPLODED into pulverized dust before it even hit the ground and settled in a thick layer of dust throughout the city.

i beleive remote demolition was used. It suxs to know that the real bad guys are in our own soil.

 

[youknow]

i beleive remote demolition was used. It suxs to know that the real bad guys are in our own soil.

the real criminals here are the goverment. When i first heard this story it was easy to know ower goverment was in it. How in the world you going to tell me you cant find 1 guy with the best technology we got? Is Bin Laden really smarter than us? how the hell is that? I believe Bush was all in on this. Its a old tactic used back when hilter was around, False Flag or something like that.:shock:

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Why would the government use controlled demolition on the WTC? The planes weren't enough?

 

[youknow]

Why would the government use controlled demolition on the WTC? The planes weren't enough?

It was an extra push for it to come down. The planes wouldnt been enough. No building has ever came down only on fire.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

It was an extra push for it to come down. The planes wouldnt been enough.

Then why not fly more planes into the buildings? Why risk getting caught because people find the evidence of controlled demolition?

Or why not bomb the buildings? Why use a combination of planes and buildings?

No building has ever came down only on fire.

Ya might want to think that statement over a bit more.

 

[youknow]

Then why not fly more planes into the buildings? Why risk getting caught because people find the evidence of controlled demolition?

Or why not bomb the buildings? Why use a combination of planes and buildings?



Ya might want to think that statement over a bit more.

if they kept flying planes into the towers, people would of also be picking up on where is the air force at. Plus were was the dam air force when this happen there wasnt one jet in air that day

 

[Kernel Sanders]

if they kept flying planes into the towers, people would of also be picking up on where is the air force at. Plus were was the dam air force when this happen there wasnt one jet in air that day

That doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Those same questions were asked with just a couple of planes.

Also, you ignored the second half of my post. If planes were too suspicious, why not just use bombs? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to use a few bombs and a few planes.

 

[youknow]

That doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Those same questions were asked with just a couple of planes.

Also, you ignored the second half of my post. If planes were too suspicious, why not just use bombs? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to use a few bombs and a few planes.

Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of Securacom

Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. Cause if they only used bombs it wouldnt of looked like terrorist did it. Those twin towers came down in minutes not hours. nor days

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of Securacom

Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

Uhhhh...so?

Cause if they only used bombs it wouldnt of looked like terrorist did it. Those twin towers came down in minutes not hours. nor days

Are you serious? You want to assert that if they had bombed the World Trade Center it wouldn't have looked like terrorism? I'd just like to give you a chance to take that back before I respond to it.

 

[Objective Voice]

Cause if they only used bombs it wouldnt of looked like terrorist did it.

'Cuse me...

I couldn't help reading your comment above. You do know that terrorist tried to blow up the WTC in 1993, right?

 

[roguenuke]

Those twin towers came down in minutes not hours. nor days

Yes, but specifically 56 min and 102 min. Not exactly right away. So, what's your point here?

 

[creativedreams]

Yes, but specifically 56 min and 102 min. Not exactly right away. So, what's your point here?

The fires were cooled down by then and the Towers should have clearly stood. If it was going to be a pure structural collaps due to fire and damage then it would have collapsed when the fires were at their hottest. The fires died down and cooled substancially long before collapse.

This may have been the time used to determine exactly where to start the detonation sequence.

A German Military leader recently said he believed 9/11 was orchestrated from building 7 where the millions of dollars was spent on a floor to make a command post for emergencies. He said he believe they used this area to remote fly to planes and then dropped the building #7 too with controlled demolition.

That would have been a perfect view to confirm where the remote operated planes hit and be precise on where to start the detonation sequence.

The World Trade Center buildings underwent many months of construction renovations up until 9/11.

Well I'm not going to get deep into it now but there are many posts on this that piece together in other threads.

 

[roguenuke]

The fires were cooled down by then and the Towers should have clearly stood. If it was going to be a pure structural collaps due to fire and damage then it would have collapsed when the fires were at their hottest. The fires died down and cooled substancially long before collapse.

This may have been the time used to determine exactly where to start the detonation sequence.

A German Military leader recently said he believed 9/11 was orchestrated from building 7 where the millions of dollars was spent on a floor to make a command post for emergencies. He said he believe they used this area to remote fly to planes and then dropped the building #7 too with controlled demolition.

That would have been a perfect view to confirm where the remote operated planes hit and be precise on where to start the detonation sequence.

The World Trade Center buildings underwent many months of construction renovations up until 9/11.

Well I'm not going to get deep into it now but there are many posts on this that piece together in other threads.

Is that a relative cool down of the fires or are you saying that the fires were out and the areas of the fires cooled down by then? I believe the fires were still burning but even in those places that they may have gone out, depending on how rapidly the cooling occurred, the damage could have actually been more catastrophic to the metal in those particular areas. When you rapidly cool down metal, it can actually make it more brittle and susceptible to breakage. Now if you are just referring to the fire temps, you would still have the problem that fire spreads, especially in places with a lot of fuel such as office furniture, carpet, paper, etc. These things may not have caused a hot fire relative to the jet fuel burning, but the more stuff burning, the more support pieces to be heated and consequently being made more likely to fail. Also, since heating and cooling is a relative thing, if the fire had gotten certain parts of the support structure hot, and then as the fire temps went down, those support structures were cooled quickly, then you would still have the potential for the support structure to have weakened. The simplest example of this is if you ever seen "Final Destination", the teacher put hot water in her mug, poured it out when she burned herself, then immediately put in the alcohol from the freezer and this caused the cup to break.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of Securacom

Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

How come you people CAN'T even get the simple stuff right !!!

Marvin Bush was NEVER in charge of security at the WTC complex.

He worked for a company called Securacom which upgraded and provided technical support and system integration of the COMPUTER SYSTEM at the WTC after the 1993 attack.

Securacom provided ELECTRONIC SECURITY SUPPORT.

That contract ENDED in 1998 !!!

(Securacom also did work for GILLETTE ... all those dangerous razor blades must have needed "security" !!!)

Securacom was NEVER in charge of security.

That duty WAS and ALWAYS has been with the Port Authority.

Besides, Marvin left Securacom in June of 2000, over a year before 9/11.

The REAL Head of Security JOHN O’NEILL, who took up the job on August 23rd DIED when the Towers collapsed.

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[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Here there is a symetrical eplosion completely around the perimeter before the top has even completely met the next floor below.

Couple of simple, simple questions creative ... how come in a building that had a perimeter area of an ACRE ... this big "explosion" never made any noise ???

How come there are no reports of first responders in the immediate vicinity and survivors having RUPTURED EARDRUMS ???

After all for an "explosion" of that size ... enough to sever support covering an acre ... would require an IMMENSE amount of "explosives".

An immense amount of "explosives" would be heard miles away ... so WHY are there no DEAF Firefighters ???

 

[creativedreams]

Couple of simple, simple questions creative ... how come in a building that had a perimeter area of an ACRE ... this big "explosion" never made any noise ???

How come there are no reports of first responders in the immediate vicinity and survivors having RUPTURED EARDRUMS ???

After all for an "explosion" of that size ... enough to sever support covering an acre ... would require an IMMENSE amount of "explosives".

An immense amount of "explosives" would be heard miles away ... so WHY are there no DEAF Firefighters ???

Even in this live video right after the collapses there is NOTHING left but the steel and EVERYTHING including the steel rod reinforced concrete exploded into dust.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaNHuwGAG1I"]YouTube- 9/11: WTC Building 7 WILL COLLAPSE reports ABC News, Before It Happened[/ame]

 

[creativedreams]

Couple of simple, simple questions creative ... how come in a building that had a perimeter area of an ACRE ... this big "explosion" never made any noise ???

How come there are no reports of first responders in the immediate vicinity and survivors having RUPTURED EARDRUMS ???

After all for an "explosion" of that size ... enough to sever support covering an acre ... would require an IMMENSE amount of "explosives".

An immense amount of "explosives" would be heard miles away ... so WHY are there no DEAF Firefighters ???

WOW!!! I just found this!!!

The News reporter even yells HUGE EXPLOSIONS as the building starts to collapse!!! Listen to the deafening sounds!!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOd1XB943o"]YouTube- South Tower Collapse[/ame]

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

It was an extra push for it to come down. The planes wouldnt been enough. No building has ever came down only on fire.

Any fireman knows this is false. If you mean steel structure buildings, anyone who knows a gdodamn about what happens to steel under long periods of high heat knows that this is also false.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Any fireman knows this is false. If you mean steel structure buildings, anyone who knows a gdodamn about what happens to steel under long periods of high heat knows that this is also false.

Ok, do you have an example of another building collapsing due to fire (steel frame)??

If so, and it was a skyscraper of any type, did it resemble the collapse at the WTC??

 

[creativedreams]

Any fireman knows this is false. If you mean steel structure buildings, anyone who knows a gdodamn about what happens to steel under long periods of high heat knows that this is also false.

9/11 NEWS Videos of Explosions

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings![/ame]​

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Ok, do you have an example of another building collapsing due to fire (steel frame)??

If so, and it was a skyscraper of any type, did it resemble the collapse at the WTC??

Hi ... don't mind if I answer this do you ??

There is a direct relation of fire resistance to mass of structure.

The more mass the more fire resistance.

The best fire resistive building is a CONCRETE structure.

The ones that confine fire best and suffer fewer collapses are REINFORCED concrete structures.

FACT !!!

Fire resistance

Like in the Windsor Tower fire ...

The Windsor Tower in Madrid was engulfed by fire in February 2005 ... partially collapsed and has since been demolished.

It is a building used by Truthers to support their claim that NO steel-framed structure has suffered total collapse due to fire ...

They are wrong ...

The building totalled 32 storeys ... with 29 floors above ground and 3 below.

A CONCRETE CORE and CONCRETE FRAME supported the first 16 floors.

Above that was a CENTRAL CORE system of CONCRETE columns ... supporting CONCRETE floors with STEEL perimeter columns.

An additional feature was the presence of two "technical floors" ... CONCRETE floors designed to give the building more strength.

One was just above the ground level and the other at the 17th floor.

The ONLY part of the building to suffer complete collapse was the network of STEEL perimeter columns ABOVE the 17th floor ... the CONCRETE core and CONCRETE perimeter columns BELOW the 17th floor surviving !!!

So basically above the 17th floor the collapse and damage was indeed similar to the WTC ... as both perimeters were steel framework !!!

Case Studies: Historical Fires: Windsor Tower Fire

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Madrid/Windsor Tower

Windsor Building, Madrid

Windsor Building, Madrid

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

What about also McCormick Place in Chicago ... at the time was the worlds largest exposition hall when it opened in 1960.

It had a STEEL roof truss construction.

It was destroyed by fire ... with the STEEL roof collapsing in LESS than two hours ... in January 1967.

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What about the Achille Lauro (of hijack fame in 1985) that was sunk by FIRE in 1994 ... she had a STEEL framed hull and superstructure.

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Also Bman there is a HISTORICAL precedent ... turn the clock back a few decades to World War II ... when there was MASSIVE worldwide INCENDIARY bombing of major cities ... the REALITY being, there were many HUNDREDS of steel framed buildings that were destroyed by FIRE.

Not by bombs ... by FIRE !!!

Incendiary bombing was used as it would cause MORE damage to buildings that were often steel and iron frames or railyards, munition factories, etc !!!

The Edo Museum in Tokyo has preserved gnarled masses of giant girders twisted into knots by FIRE.

http://www.edo-tokyo-museum.or.jp/english/index.html

The Imperial War Museum in London has THOUSANDS of photographs of the same ... and a large collection of contemporary art depicting warped steel girders.

http://london.iwm.org.uk/

Dresden City Historical Museum also shows examples of steel girders from buildings that collapsed from FIRE, during large-scale incendiary attacks.

http://www.dresden.de/apps/lhdd_museen/eng/museen/detail/Kultur_461_22.11.2007

These museum collections all PRE-DATE any alleged September 11 conspiracy !!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk"]YouTube- 9/11 Debunked: The "First Time in History" Claim[/ame]

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Bman ... at the end of the day it all comes down to this ...

ALL metal is MALLEABLE meaning when it gets hot it SOFTENS before melting at a greater temperature.

Therefore FIRE makes metal SOFT ... but the LOAD makes it SAG ... and FAIL !!!

Steel (of whatever carbon content or alloy) IS metal !!!

http://www.corusconstruction.com/en...ctural_design/fire/steelwork_fire_resistance/

Corus an ACTUAL STEEL MANUFACTURER state that ...

"... unprotected axially loaded columns, then failure does indeed occur at 550°C.

But if a member is not uniformly heated then, when the hotter part of the section reaches its limiting temperature, it will yield plastically and transfer load to cooler regions of the section, which will still act elastically.

As the temperature rises further, more load is transferred from the hot region by plastic yielding until eventually the load in the cool regions becomes so high that they too become plastic and the member fails."

Corus in construction - Effect of temperature profile

Corus on the EFFECT of load ...

Corus in construction - Effect of load

Corus in construction - Structural fire engineering

The Civil Engineering Portal - News - WTC

KEY to METALS Articles: Steel properties at low and high temperatures

But basically Bman ... the REAL experts all say that STEEL is greatly affected by FIRE ... there is no escaping this simple FACT.

Also ... go ask a Firefighter if he is wary of fire in steel structures ... the SIZE of the structure is pretty immaterial ... for the ATOMIC BOND of the metal is the same (irregardless of size) ... once the strength of the bond is in anyway compromised ... failure WILL follow !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

WOW!!! I just found this!!!

The News reporter even yells HUGE EXPLOSIONS as the building starts to collapse!!! Listen to the deafening sounds!!!

So creative ... found any deaf Firefighters yet ???

Or how about that reporter ... he was certainly close enough to be deafened completely by any REAL explosives ???

How come to you "explosions" can only means bombs ... are you that dense ???

Do you understand the concept of SIMILIES and METAPHORS yet ???

(No, please don't answer that ... you obviously havent yet learnt the difference )

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On another topic ... any further on providing the name and proof of the high ranking German whom you *ahem* "claim" made some terribly incriminating statements regarding 9/11 yet ???

You have been asked MANY MANY times, by myself and others, to provide the name of this German military leader ... or is it political leader ... it is hard to keep up as you keep changing this ???

Please, please, please provide the NAME and STATEMENT from this military/political leader from Germany.

YOU must have gotten this information from "somewhere" ... unless it is made-up ... and therefore a lie !!!

So please provide the CONCRETE PROOF of this persons name and statement of this ... or else it is just MORE unsupported, unverified, unsubstanciated junk from you.

PROVE IT creative ... you keep saying you will ... BUT NEVER DO !!!

Or is it, as we all suspect, just you bumping your gums again ... :soap