9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927:2293]

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Has nothing to do with accepting what the TV says, it's about using a little common sense here people.

Take the Pentagon. That's a building, a BIG damn building, a military building.

Now, the crazy, and they are crazy, theories it was anything but an airliner DEFY rationale thought.

Too many eye witnesses, too much debris. Yet you can find plenty of fools out there willing to sell you a book, video or just make noise it wasn't an airliner.

Come on, get over it.

As for the WTC falling due to "explosives" have you EVER watched one of the "demolition" shows? It's a very complex affair that requires lots of precision and timing. Flying fuel laden aircraft into a building supposedly wired with precision explosions defies logic. MAYBE in a bad hollywood movie that would work, but this is REAL LIFE.

Nano-thermites do not require wires because it is a simple chemical beam cutting reaction...a bag full of these devices could have easily been magnetically attached to the support members during the so called steel fireproofing upgrade in 2000...set to trigger from the large jarring explosions witnessed at the base of all three buindings

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Note the yellow smoke and residue left behind by the ironworker.

Thermite in general makes an ugly hole with molten metal drips/blobs. It doesn't make clean cuts. It's a powder that undergoes a violent chemical reaction as seen in the video below.

Thermite VS Car - Cool Video

Note how much thermite is used. The pot is about a liter, but how much thermite is that?

Stoichiometric thermite requires 2 moles of Al per 1 mole of Fe2O3

2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe


2 moles of Al weigh 54 g
1 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 160 g

density of Al=2.64 g/cc
density of Fe2O3=5.24 g/cc


54 grams of Al is equivalent to 20.5 cc of Al.
160g of Fe2O3 is equivalent to 30.5 cc of Fe2O3

Therefore, 51 cc of fully dense powder of 20.5 cc Al and 30.5 cc Fe2O3 weighs (54+160) g = 214 g.

A volume of 1000 cc would weigh (1000/51)*214 = 4.2 kg

For a powder packing density of 50%, the powder would weigh:

0.5*4.2 kg = 2.1 kg = 4.8 lb

Thermite and Sulfer- Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition

"Nan0-Thermite" is Conspiracy Theorist version of "Trek Tech" to solve a problem. It's just non-sense but sounds realistic enough to excite those willing to believe in non-sense to fit their belief that the WTC was taken out by the US government

Math and Physics > Nano-thermite silliness.

 

[lawshume]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

It's just non-sense but sounds realistic enough to excite those willing to believe in non-sense to fit their belief that the WTC was taken out by the US government

The truth movement hasn't officially decided who set the
thermate charges. Why would you try to blame our government
rather than others?

 

[metreon]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

The buildings obviously did not fall at near-free-fall speeds, and their actual collapse times were significantly longer.

So? From simple physics I would expect the fall be greater than a simple free-fall equation. The conspiracy-minded seem to forget the top of the building is falling into a standing, but collapsable, pier of floors. It is not falling into air. Each floor offers increased resistance to a free fall.

As each floor resists the downward movement of the falling top of the building, it fails, collapsing into the next floor which also resists slightly before it also collapses. Just as an object accelerates more slowly through a viscous fluid than through air in response to a force, so the top of the building moves more slowly as it falls through layers of floors below it.

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

The truth movement hasn't officially decided who set the
thermate charges. Why would you try to blame our government
rather than others?

There were no charges. There WERE two Boeing 757 flown at high speed and laden with jet fuel though...


Hmm... two big ass airplanes hitting the WTC controlled by terrorist
or

a secret organization that laced the building with super secret charges (which... NO ONE noticed them planting before hand) AND hit the WTC with air planes to cover it all up because... uhm.. er... Why lace the buildign to implode on itself... why not topple them for maximum damage?

 

[Khayembii Communique]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

So? From simple physics I would expect the fall be greater than a simple free-fall equation. The conspiracy-minded seem to forget the top of the building is falling into a standing, but collapsable, pier of floors. It is not falling into air. Each floor offers increased resistance to a free fall.

As each floor resists the downward movement of the falling top of the building, it fails, collapsing into the next floor which also resists slightly before it also collapses. Just as an object accelerates more slowly through a viscous fluid than through air in response to a force, so the top of the building moves more slowly as it falls through layers of floors below it.

Why did you say "So?" I agree with you.

 

[rhinefire]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

It was done with the famous "Wayback Machine".

 

[Chanda]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

uhm.. er... Why lace the buildign to implode on itself... why not topple them for maximum damage?

Quarter mile high buildings? That might have angered some Wall Street powerhouses and required an actual investigation.

 

[Chanda]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Thermite and Sulfer- Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition

"Nan0-Thermite" is Conspiracy Theorist version of "Trek Tech" to solve a problem. It's just non-sense but sounds realistic enough to excite those willing to believe in non-sense to fit their belief that the WTC was taken out by the US government

Math and Physics > Nano-thermite silliness.

Who is the debunking911 expert that you are relying on for your information?

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Quarter mile high buildings? That might have angered some Wall Street powerhouses and required an actual investigation.

Ahh the simple "bigger conspiracy" answer. Can't anger all those on Wall street, just those in the WTC... got it!

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Who is the debunking911 expert that you are relying on for your information?

Relying on no one. I did a bit of googling, found a good visual example of what we are talking about, in this case... thermite, and went from there.

Do, you know how much thermite ways, and how much is needed to actually.. ya know, cut steel?

 

[Chanda]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Do, you know how much thermite ways, and how much is needed to actually.. ya know, cut steel?

I know that NIST said that it would take 100 pounds of thermite for each column to destroy the buildings, but that was very misleading because that isn't true for superthermites. Hmm, guess they forgot about those... :doh

 

[505]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Nano-thermites do not require wires because it is a simple chemical beam cutting reaction...a bag full of these devices could have easily been magnetically attached to the support members during the so called steel fireproofing upgrade in 2000...set to trigger from the large jarring explosions witnessed at the base of all three buindings

Right. Uhm. So. A bag of these little buggers. Attached to "support members". uhhuhhuh you said member... ahem. Set to detonate from vibration. Uhm. Why did it take an hour for the buildings to fall down then... after massive impact and ensuing vibration from THE PLANES?

 

[505]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

...but that was very misleading because that isn't true for superthermites. Hmm, guess they forgot about those... :doh

Oh hey and they also forgot about those ultra-superduper-ireallymeanit-nanothermAtes. One granule of that stuff, and hooboy, causes a chain reaction that immediately and spontaneously combusts every single core column.

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

I know that NIST said that it would take 100 pounds of thermite for each column to destroy the buildings, but that was very misleading because that isn't true for superthermites. Hmm, guess they forgot about those... :doh

Oh yeah... DOH! Superthermite!!! Something that is rare, doesn't work like you THINK it does, but has the name "thermite with super" so you think it is jsut like regular thermite... and some 911 sites talk about it...

WHY IT MUST BE TRUE!

Which goes back to believing that the "super thermite" was placed int he building, wired up and ready to go... in advance. Never mind the whole process isn't likely to be hidable, never mind that "superthermite" is only used as an additive to certain bombs to accelerate detonation...

Steven Jones KNOWS!

 

[winston53660]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Oh yeah... DOH! Superthermite!!! Something that is rare, doesn't work like you THINK it does, but has the name "thermite with super" so you think it is jsut like regular thermite... and some 911 sites talk about it...

WHY IT MUST BE TRUE!

Which goes back to believing that the "super thermite" was placed int he building, wired up and ready to go... in advance. Never mind the whole process isn't likely to be hidable, never mind that "superthermite" is only used as an additive to certain bombs to accelerate detonation...

Steven Jones KNOWS!

They should have used super - DUPER - Thermite:mrgreen:

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

They should have used super - DUPER - Thermite:mrgreen:

SHHH!!!! What do you think they'll use NEXT TIME!!!

 

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Relying on no one. I did a bit of googling, found a good visual example of what we are talking about, in this case... thermite, and went from there.

Do, you know how much thermite ways, and how much is needed to actually.. ya know, cut steel?

A picture is worth a thousand words...

The thermite stuff is peer speculation on my part....something clearly helped bring down this building other than fire and an alleged beam hitting it.....

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

 

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Oh yeah... DOH! Superthermite!!! Something that is rare, doesn't work like you THINK it does, but has the name "thermite with super" so you think it is jsut like regular thermite... and some 911 sites talk about it...

WHY IT MUST BE TRUE!

Which goes back to believing that the "super thermite" was placed int he building, wired up and ready to go... in advance. Never mind the whole process isn't likely to be hidable, never mind that "superthermite" is only used as an additive to certain bombs to accelerate detonation...

Steven Jones KNOWS!

You know that they (all 3 buildings) couldn't have fallen like this don't you?

 

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Oh hey and they also forgot about those ultra-superduper-ireallymeanit-nanothermAtes. One granule of that stuff, and hooboy, causes a chain reaction that immediately and spontaneously combusts every single core column.

There are plenty of studies on how different types of thermite have a beam cutting reaction

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

A picture is worth a thousand words...

The thermite stuff is peer speculation on my part....something clearly helped bring down this building other than fire and an alleged beam hitting it.....

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

It collapsed because it got hit by a falling building and it's rubble. I know that's an amazing thought for you... let's use Occam's Razor.

What is more likely?

A: Fire and debris from the falling Towers damaged and destabilized WTC 7 and due to it's architecture collapsed.

B: A group of individuals, either private or government sponsored/backed wired and set up three separate buildings with "explosives of some sort" and brought down the buildings after hitting only two of them with Boeing 757's.

A is random chance and bad luck for the WTC 7 building.

B requires not only a vast conspiracy, but luck, planning, and above all else, strict silence to cover up. Taking down buildings MEANT for demolition is a very long, man intensive task in and of itself, taking down THREE buildings, two of which were hit by fuel laden airliners and a third that was burning because of debris and rubble...

Tell me, how does one plan falling debris and fire? How does one keep the explosives from setting off, or not all setting off with such a random event?

And how come no one noticed the work done to lace the buildings with these secret explosives??

 

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

No captions needed..........

Unless of course one possesses an IQ of substantially low value...

Only a handfull of people required to orchestrate the whole event....can't you wrap your brain around that?

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

You know that they (all 3 buildings) couldn't have fallen like this don't you?

Ya know, planning for fire and debris to hit WTC 7 and keeping the explosives from going off on their own is impossible don't you?

All three suffered the same fault in their design, all three feel for the same reasons...

And if, IF some group pulled this off, why are the truthers out there free, and alive and not being taken out one by one, to keep the discovery secret?

 

[Renae]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

No captions needed..........

Unless of course one possesses an IQ of substantially low value...

HAHAHA You know there is no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or Cupid.... Opps, I spoiled that for you.

 

[creativedreams]

re: 9/11 - Did the Towers Fall At Free-Fall Speeds? [W:912, 927]

Do realize they supposedly did a fireproofing upgrade in both towers in 2000

Company was "Halliburton" which was Dick Cheney's company

The company that does the security for the twin towers and the airlines was Bush's brothers company

The part of the pentagon that got hit was under construction too

Head of the NIST report was Bush's personal friend

First day in american history a political figure was in charge of NORAD ...Dick Cheney

Dick's company Halliburton recieved illegal NO-BID contracts for rebuilding Iraq

The list goes on and on of evidence for every little detail about F****G 9/11...:argue