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8 Nasty Conservative Lies About the Democrats and Obama That Must Be Debunked Before

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I will remain impartial, however I will show Mr. Dave Johnson the proper respect he deserves for simply providing the truth in this article.

America can be a better nation with President Obama's leadership and Americanism.

"There are a number things the public "knows" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs."

Please pass this article to your family, friends, and American strangers who will be voting.



8 Nasty Conservative Lies About the Democrats and Obama That Must Be Debunked Before the Election | News & Politics | AlterNet
 

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I will remain impartial, however I will show Mr. Dave Johnson the proper respect he deserves for simply providing the truth in this article.

America can be a better nation with President Obama's leadership and Americanism.

"There are a number things the public "knows" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs."

Please pass this article to your family, friends, and American strangers who will be voting.



8 Nasty Conservative Lies About the Democrats and Obama That Must Be Debunked Before the Election | News & Politics | AlterNet
AlterNet? :lamo

Have an adult teach you the difference between truth and opinion.
 

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dude, you could have at least done a quick cut and paste to list the "lies". I have been waiting several minutes for your link to open.
 

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from the ALTER.NET website...
AlterNet has developed a unique model of journalism to confront the failures of corporate media, as well as the vitriol and disinformation of right wing media, especially “hate talk” media.
disinformation of right wing media... yup.. nothing one sided or biased will apear on their site, by golly.
 

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dude, you could have at least done a quick cut and paste to list the "lies". I have been waiting several minutes for your link to open.
allow me to oblige on behalf of the OP as these points really do need to be known:
1) President Obama tripled the deficit.

Reality: Bush's last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion.

2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.

Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the "stimulus" was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.
Source: http://institute.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104222/false-things-public-knows-they-go-vote
 
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1) President Obama tripled the deficit.

Reality: Bush's last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion.
check your facts... Obama's first budget actually resulted in a $1.42 trillion deficit. sure it was not triple, but trying to discredit one lie by using another is really stupid.

2009 - $1.42
2010 - $1.56
2011 - $1.6 proposed

sure..it's not tripled, but it damn sure is going in the wrong direction
 
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dude, you could have at least done a quick cut and paste to list the "lies". I have been waiting several minutes for your link to open.
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Cutting/pasting a full article or a large chunk of an article is a fair use violation and could potentially result in legal issues for this board. Please do not encourage people to do this or do it yourself. Thank you.
 

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The article makes a couple of decent points, but some are way off base. Particularly the one about social security.
 

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The article makes a couple of decent points, but some are way off base. Particularly the one about social security.
The sad part is so many facts are debatable depending on what your political agenda is. Do we, the public, really know the full facts about anything government-wise? That's debatable. The best the public can do is being somewhat approximate to what is given out by our government.

Can you honestly say, you have total knowledge about the finances of Social Security? I believe you cannot Sir / Ma'am.

To come on here and contradict (not you but in general) is your right however to dismiss Mr. Johnson's facts shouldn't be in the best interest of what's pure in America.

Yes, America did have a large deceit under President Bush Jr.

I agree with President Obama's idea that domestic improvements can occur when spending more monies. This should be able to regenerate a regressive economy. We need businesses to start hiring again. We need to keep jobs inland (something Bush did not do; in fact he allowed jobs to go internationally but of course no one is debating that part in America).

We need to make education and training programs across America affordable! We have too many jobs that too many folks can work in at the: above 50,000 and below 30,000 ranges. We need diversity in job training with the emphasis on "yes you can" achieve at education regardless your age, appearance, religion, etc.

I can go and go.

I do not complain! Unlike many in America and on this site.

I am an American who works on solutions and not further shame upon this nation.
 

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want businesses to start hiring again?

Tell boy wonder and his school of idiots in his administration to stop demonizing companies and screaming for massive tax hikes etc
 

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want businesses to start hiring again?

Tell boy wonder and his school of idiots in his administration to stop demonizing companies and screaming for massive tax hikes etc
such a foolish position to exclaim

tax rates are at 50 year lows and there is no demonizing of the business sector by team Obama

we are a consumer economy, with consumer spending power severely diminished after dubya's misadministration. businesses will start hiring again when consumers again have money to spend

trying to understand why you post such made up tripe and can only conclude it is because you are without anything substantive to defend your side's stupidity
 

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want businesses to start hiring again?

Tell boy wonder and his school of idiots in his administration to stop demonizing companies and screaming for massive tax hikes etc
And while you're at it, tell them that forcing business owners to dump their employee health coverage, as well as forcing insurance companies to have to substantially raise their premiums, isn't helping the American people either.
 

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such a foolish position to exclaim

tax rates are at 50 year lows and there is no demonizing of the business sector by team Obama

we are a consumer economy, with consumer spending power severely diminished after dubya's misadministration. businesses will start hiring again when consumers again have money to spend

trying to understand why you post such made up tripe and can only conclude it is because you are without anything substantive to defend your side's stupidity
I guess you have not figured out that the US corporate tax rate is one of the two highest in the first world

your silly rants about W and your constant cyber boot licking of the moronic obama administration is hilarious

if you libs are so smart how come you need a nanny state to take care of you?

obama wants to impose the greatest tax hike in modern history

tax rates for the majority of the tax base (ie the top 10%) need to be much lower
 

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Oh... and I almost forgot... Make sure you tell them that forcing Cap & Trade down our throats and forcing every American to pay more for energy, and every single good and service that has to pay more and pass that cost on to the consumer as a result of Cap & Trade, ain't such a brilliant move either.
 

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And while you're at it, tell them that forcing business owners to dump their employee health coverage, as well as forcing insurance companies to have to substantially raise their premiums, isn't helping the American people either.
the welfare socialists pretend that their hate of the successful is based on some sort of high-minded desire to help the USA when in reality they are merely envious and often losers who rant against an economic system that doesn't value them as much as they value themselves.

There are essentially three types of libs on the economic landscape

1) the helpless and dependent

2) the elites who try to gain power by pandering to the first group

3) the "intellectuals" who are upset that the market does not value them as much as they think it should

the first group usually don't have the intellectual curiosity or talent to post on message boards
the second group are generally too busy trying to gain power-or they are using outlets where they can pander to more people than 35-50 posters on a given night

so what we mostly deal with is the "I'm smarter than the average millionaire but I only get cubicle bunny wages" so the system is evil (rather than blaming themselves for majoring in art history and thinking that merits the same pay as a nuclear engineer or a cardiac surgeon)
 

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if you libs are so smart how come you need a nanny state to take care of you?
Wow, If I never made it off the playground....
 

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such a foolish position to exclaim

tax rates are at 50 year lows and there is no demonizing of the business sector by team Obama

we are a consumer economy, with consumer spending power severely diminished after dubya's misadministration. businesses will start hiring again when consumers again have money to spend

trying to understand why you post such made up tripe and can only conclude it is because you are without anything substantive to defend your side's stupidity
And I received a warning, but this user personal words against me does not? Please explain this to me. All is fair moderators.
 

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The sad part is so many facts are debatable depending on what your political agenda is. Do we, the public, really know the full facts about anything government-wise? That's debatable. The best the public can do is being somewhat approximate to what is given out by our government.

Can you honestly say, you have total knowledge about the finances of Social Security? I believe you cannot Sir / Ma'am.


No, but I don't need to to debunk some of the 'facts' presented. Such as the existence of a social security 'trust fund'. While technically true, the trust fund doesn't really exist. The extra money that social security was collecting for all those years was dumped into the general government budget, and the social security administration basically got an IOU. For the trust fund to be cashed in, the money would have to come out of the general budget. It's not like the money is just sitting somewhere ready for us to use it whenever we want.
 
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The sad part is so many facts are debatable depending on what your political agenda is. Do we, the public, really know the full facts about anything government-wise? That's debatable. The best the public can do is being somewhat approximate to what is given out by our government.

Can you honestly say, you have total knowledge about the finances of Social Security? I believe you cannot Sir / Ma'am.

To come on here and contradict (not you but in general) is your right however to dismiss Mr. Johnson's facts shouldn't be in the best interest of what's pure in America.

Yes, America did have a large deceit under President Bush Jr.

I agree with President Obama's idea that domestic improvements can occur when spending more monies. This should be able to regenerate a regressive economy. We need businesses to start hiring again. We need to keep jobs inland (something Bush did not do; in fact he allowed jobs to go internationally but of course no one is debating that part in America).

We need to make education and training programs across America affordable! We have too many jobs that too many folks can work in at the: above 50,000 and below 30,000 ranges. We need diversity in job training with the emphasis on "yes you can" achieve at education regardless your age, appearance, religion, etc.

I can go and go.

I do not complain! Unlike many in America and on this site.

I am an American who works on solutions and not further shame upon this nation.
OK let's debate point #1. Probably a good place to start. Put aside the 3x for now as that may be hard to discern. To say that the last budget Bush signed off on had a $1.42 trillion deficit I submit is disengenuous. Two big items that need to be considered. The full TARP $700 billion is in this number, two things. First much of it has been paid back but those monies are not part fo this budget, second spending on the stimulus which was passed after Busg left office before Oct.1 2009 is in this number. I will not even count that half of TARP or $350 billion was not spent by Bush, he left it for his sucessor to use. I guess in polite political circles we can call this disengenuous, where I grew up we would have called this a lie.

You know the saying lie about something often and loud enough and people start believing it. The biggest disappointment for real liberals is that we thought there was going to be real change. Not the same horse*** in a different color.
 
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I will remain impartial,


I find your assertion of impartiality highly suspect, based on the very first post in this thread, the link provided, and assertions made.

At any rate, I don't believe in impartiality or objectivity. There are those who admit their bias, and those who hide it, and that's all.
 
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