75% of Covid deaths from people with FOUR major health problems, mainly being FAT!

[OrphanSlug]

So, now the answer is keep up the anti-vaccine parade while forcing everyone onto a treadmill?

 

[Deuce]

Republicans: "Fat people don't count as people, so let's not bother with precautions."

 

[Yes_Minister]

You have it all wrong. If 90% of those who die from Covid are over 50 and have 4 or more comorbidities, why vaccinate millions under 50?

So no link? So you have no evidence to back up this statement?

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

Come on people. The article leading this thread has been updated. It’s 75% of vaccinated people who died. This is a pro-vaccine thread.

 

[Deuce]

You have it all wrong. If 90% of those who die from Covid are over 50 and have 4 or more comorbidities, why vaccinate millions under 50?

Because some of us think people over 50... matter.

 

[Credence]

That society coddles fat people and gets in your face for fat-shaming is WHY there have been so many deaths. We are taught to accept fat slobs as being normal and good.

BS Chris Christie survived because other than being overweight he had no other comorbidities as did our overweight former dear leader. It is the combination of other illnesses with being overweight that causes death. Perhaps you should read what you posted as it said nothing about being overweight by itself and unvaccinated that have died have been young and not overweight.

Not even sure why I am responding to you. You seem very immature.

 

[Yes_Minister]

BS Chris Christie survived because other than being overweight he had no other comorbidities as did our overweight former dear leader. It is the combination of other illnesses with being overweight that causes death. Perhaps you should read what you posted as it said nothing about being overweight by itself and unvaccinated that have died have been young and not overweight.

Not even sure why I am responding to you. You seem very immature.

Yeah, but those two were wealthy as Hell. I think that is why they survived.

 

[Ethel2]

Do we know how many of those 200,000 died with covid rather than from covid?

Or were admitted WITH covid is a better question. When you die due to covid it’s listed as the primary or contributing cause of death son your death certificate. If you happen to test positive input it had nothing to do with your death it’s not going to appear on your death certificate. It web on your chart but not on your death certificate.
However if you test positive it may be counted as a “covid admission” even if it’s not the primary reason you were admitted. And that’s a problem imo.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Right. If people would just shut the **** up, take the vaccine and shut the **** up we'd never have this kind of problem.

This is actually good advice. Thank you. Please tell your anti-vax friends.

The idea that people are allowed to express opinions..

Trump supporters and Republicans have the right to express their opinions, but no one else has any obligation to take them seriously.

 

[KingLeo]

So if 75% of the deaths from VACCINATED people were from those 4 conditions imagine how much higher that percentage is for people who are NOT VACCINATED.

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

So if 75% of the deaths from VACCINATED people were from those 4 conditions imagine how much higher that percentage is for people who are NOT VACCINATED.

Doesn’t it mean that for people who are vaccinated it takes four health issues to take them down? What makes you think the percentage would be higher for unvaccinated people?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

One errant prediction.

one?
Which one will you admit to?

 

[roguenuke]

Except the same number of those people die every year. This is the EXACT same thing that was pointed out when people started claiming more cops were dying from COVID than from line of fire incidents. Well...no shit. As was demonstrated, more cops have died of health related issued especially due to obesity than from line of fire incidents LONG before COVID came along.

There were over 1M excess deaths in the US last year. That is not the "same number of those people die every year".

 

[roguenuke]

So if 75% of the deaths from VACCINATED people were from those 4 conditions imagine how much higher that percentage is for people who are NOT VACCINATED.

If someone is not vaccinated, it is easier for the virus to take them down, so it would be less having that many comorbidities, almost certainly, and many more with less health problems being killed by Covid.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The idea that people are allowed to express opinions that run contrary to government guidance is outdated and needs to be changed immediately.

The post that you quote is a particular reaction to an individual poster's posting ... "style".
You're not really in Paradoxical's boat in that respect, imho, even if you do share some opinions.

Trump supporters and Republicans have the right to express their opinions, but no one else has any obligation to take them seriously.

It is possible to respect a person but not respect all their opinions.

So, there's not even an obligation to treat those opinions with any respect.

 

[roguenuke]

Do we know how many of those 200,000 died with covid rather than from covid?

Covid deaths are most likely being undercounted, not overcounted. Our deaths above average or excess mortality indicates that at least a million above normal (previous post said last year, but it is since Covid started) deaths or excess deaths occurred in the US, which is well above the normal and significantly above our current Covid death count.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Then there are the 200,000 dead “healthy” people, or roughly three and a third Vietnams.

We should also give a shout out to everyone who survived by spending time in the hospital.

It's really ****en serious to be so sick that you must stay in the hospital to survive.
The death rate is only a fraction of the toll.

 

[snakestretcher]

That society coddles fat people and gets in your face for fat-shaming is WHY there have been so many deaths. We are taught to accept fat slobs as being normal and good.

Isn't this in the area of 'personal responsibility' that you conservatives keep banging on about? Around two-thirds of all Americans are obese, and that obesity is self-inflicted. Americans eat too much, drive everywhere even when they could easily walk, and don't exercise. Obesity costs the taxpayer billions every year.

Direct medical costs of obesity in the United States and the most populous states - PubMed

<span><b>BACKGROUND:</b> After a dramatic increase in prevalence over several decades, obesity has become a major public health crisis in the United States. Research to date has consistently demonstrated a correlation between obesity and higher medical costs for a variety of U.S. subpopulations...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Hughinn]

Everyone is fat in Russia. It is only the rich that can afford to be slim.

So it's like Hollywood then

 

[Paradoxical]

one?
Which one will you admit to?

Oh, go away. You annoy the hell out of a saint.

 

[Paradoxical]

Isn't this in the area of 'personal responsibility' that you conservatives keep banging on about? Around two-thirds of all Americans are obese, and that obesity is self-inflicted. Americans eat too much, drive everywhere even when they could easily walk, and don't exercise. Obesity costs the taxpayer billions every year.

Direct medical costs of obesity in the United States and the most populous states - PubMed

<span><b>BACKGROUND:</b> After a dramatic increase in prevalence over several decades, obesity has become a major public health crisis in the United States. Research to date has consistently demonstrated a correlation between obesity and higher medical costs for a variety of U.S. subpopulations...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I bet most of the fat people are Stacey Abrams-type liberals. Google her.....a real catch, like the left think AOC is.

 

[Hughinn]

It's kind of like what's going on with obesity right now. People have all sorts of nutritional and health information, yet the "choice" seems to be continuing the trends that lead to obesity. That doesn't seem to be working very well for that particular condition.

It's working out the way those people want it or let it.

Government can't regulate people's decisions of diet, lifestyle and health choices. Nor should it ever even try, in the certainty of such a notion evolving into a noxious despot.

 

[Paradoxical]

It's working out the way those people want it or let it.

Government can't regulate people's decisions of diet, lifestyle and health choices. Nor should it ever even try, in the certainty of such a notion evolving into a noxious despot.

Note the underlying theme of the far left as displayed on these boards. The individual is NEVER responsible. It is always someone or something else, whether it be racism, being poor, being disadvantaged, misunderstood.

Society itself is sick when we can force people to get a vaccine against their wishes but can't force people to diet and exercise. They want the unvaxxed to be denied services but would never think of denying service to fat people.

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's working out the way those people want it or let it.

Government can't regulate people's decisions of diet, lifestyle and health choices. Nor should it ever even try, in the certainty of such a notion evolving into a noxious despot.

Ok, then there should be no whinging about obesity in this country because clearly that's the "choice" many are making. If only individual freedom is the focus, then there's nothing that can be done. You have people talking about "personal responsibility" but they have no actual solution; the latter is just a platitude. Of course people are responsible for their actions, but what happens when they fail on a massive scale? If the idea is that nothing can be done, then I'm not sure why some here are whinging about the obese; their response should be "it is what it is".

As the number of obese continues to increase, there's a strong likelihood our vulnerability to disease will likely increase; not to mention the continued added healthcare costs in treating all of the co-morbidities that go along with it.

 

[Paradoxical]

Ok, then there should be no whinging about obesity in this country because clearly that's the "choice" many are making. If only individual freedom is the focus, then there's nothing that can be done. You have people talking about "personal responsibility" but they have no actual solution; the latter is just a platitude. Of course people are responsible for their actions, but what happens when they fail on a massive scale?

Just like the totalitarians want to force vaccinate on a massive scale, we force fat people to diet or be denied service at restaurants, fast food joints and require them to eat only healthy foods and exercise. I see no difference.