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65 Percent of People Taken by ICE Had No Convictions, 93 Percent No Violent Convictions

NoMoreDems-Reps said:
What a bunch of crap !
If they are ILLEGAL and ineligible for Asylum (which ~95% are) then ICE is totally justified in getting these CRIMINALS out of America!

Just because you Leftist DEMOCRATS LOVE oppressing people for cheap labor, has NO BEARING on how America's immigration Laws work !

These ICE Agents and Trump have been vindicated by the SCOUTS time and time again !
Despite the the Traitor DEMs and their frivolous court claims !!!

Don't be mad at ICE !!!!
Be mad at the parents who put their kids (and Communities) in this predicament, of having massive amounts of people (Illegals) be removed from America !

The DEM's have really SCREWED our country and all those illegals ! So if you want to get mad, go yell at the DNC & DEMS!
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Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. So you are basically deporting people for jaywalking. The problem is that we need these workers more than we need you.
 
Fledermaus said:
Everyone who uses uninsured vehicles (A very common issue in Southern California) illegally has broken the law.
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When California passed the AB60 law a lot of DP "conservatives" screamed bloody murder.
How dare California let illegals have state driver's licenses!!!!!!!

But it reduced the uninsured motorist hit and run accident rate because being able to get a license meant one could purchase insurance, which was
the whole point of the AB60 license. It can't be used as a valid ID or for any other purpose other than being legally allowed to drive a car.
So it is a lot LESS common nowaday because even many illegal immigrants will more often than not try to do stuff legally when and where they can.

The biggest issue is that too many illegals still fear that applying for an AB60 license might leave them vulnerable to arrest when they apply.
Uptake rate ON applications for such licenses has been less than the state hoped for.
 
noonereal said:
I am not pro ice. Not in the least.
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ICE never even ventures into gang territory.
If they did, they would encounter about 75% illegals WITH criminal records, precisely the ones ICE SHOULD be going after, instead of fathers of Marines, landscapers, maids and ice cream vendors.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
ICE never even ventures into gang territory.
If they did, they would encounter about 75% illegals WITH criminal records, precisely the ones ICE SHOULD be going after, instead of fathers of Marines, landscapers, maids and ice cream vendors.
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And?
 
noonereal said:
And?
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The problem with the Vice Mayor of Cudahy's callout message to LA street gangs is dripping with irony.
She's dead wrong for inviting gang members to mobilize, but the ironic part is, those very gangs themselves are about SEVENTY PERCENT the kind of undocumented with pretty serious criminal records.
In other words, the VERY KIND OF PEOPLE TRUMP'S #ICE SHOULD be going after in the first place.
But because Trump's "special ICE agents" are such pathetic cowards, instead they're going after maids, landscapers, ice cream vendors, fruit pickers, construction workers, pregnant mothers and children.
They're going after people who are at their final immigration interviews, and people who are on the legal path to American citizenship, and they're even going after some actual American citizens. They're even deporting Green Card holders who served in our military, who served our country.
They're going after people who spent the last ten, twenty and even thirty years in America trying to build a good life, contributing to society, paying taxes and not even receiving any of the federal benefits that would accrue if they WERE citizens....if they could AFFORD the financial cost.
Trump isn't deporting the criminal gang members he promised to rid the country of, he's going after the kind of people many ordinary Americans would be proud to share their country with.
This is because at the heart of this, it's where true cowardice lives, and it now defines the message that Donald #Trump's America sends to the entire world.
And meanwhile, the very criminal gang members hurting the country not only still walk among us, they're laughing because they know they will never come face to face with these ICE agents because ICE is AFRAID of them.


That's MORE THAN ENOUGH "And"....
 
j brown's body said:
"New nonpublic data from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) indicate that the government is primarily detaining individuals with no criminal convictions of any kind. Also, among those with criminal convictions, they are overwhelmingly not the violent offenses that ICE continuously uses to justify its deportation agenda. ICE has shared this data with people outside the agency, who shared the numbers with the Cato Institute.

As of June 14, ICE had booked into detention 204,297 individuals (since October 1, 2024, the start of fiscal year 2025). Of those book-ins, 65 percent, or 133,687 individuals, had no criminal convictions. Moreover, more than 93 percent of ICE book-ins were never convicted of any violent offenses. About nine in ten had no convictions for violent or property offenses. Most convictions (53 percent) fell into three main categories: immigration, traffic, or nonviolent vice crimes. The appendix table at the end of this post has data by detailed crime and broad crime categorization."

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Interesting when you consider ICE was created to protect us from foreign threats, not serve as the president's personal gestapo.

The other day, a car wash owner accused ICE agents of acting like criminals. They are causing more damage to communities than are the people they are rounding up.
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Wrong. 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law
 

President Trump is enacting a mass deportation campaign promised to be the largest in U.S. history. New data is giving a clearer picture of exactly what that looks like: at least 56,000 immigrants are being held in ICE detention.

According to the Deportation Data Project, a group that collects immigration numbers, about half the people in detention don't have criminal convictions. That's close to 30,000 people in detention, without a criminal record — the group that has grown the most in recent months.

"You listen to Tom Homan and Stephen Miller, they're saying things like they are going after the worst of the worst, the people who are murderers," says UCLA Professor Graeme Blair, referring to President Trump's 'Border czar' Tom Homan and key White House Aide Stephen Miller. "That's just not what the data says about the people that they are actually arresting."

In the first few months of the Trump administration, the number of detentions was around the same as during the Biden administration. But in recent weeks, there's been a push to detain more people, spearheaded by the recent goal of 3,000 ICE arrests per day.

According to Professor Blair, one of the directors of the Deportation Data Project, the ICE raids in Los Angeles marked a turning point: people without criminal records were increasingly being arrested. In fact, NPR's review of ICE data found that the number of people without criminal convictions in detention nearly doubled since May — more than any other group of detainees....
 
Fledermaus said:
Just one point.

Everyone who crosses the border illegally has broken the law.

Everyone who seeks employment illegally has broken the law.

Everyone who uses forged documents to either enter the nation or to secure employment illegally has broken the law.

Everyone who uses uninsured vehicles (A very common issue in Southern California) illegally has broken the law.

Everyone who uses unregistered vehicles (Also a very common issue in Southern California) illegally has broken the law.

So everyone of age here illegally has broken at least one law.....
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I doubt you will find a single driver in the US who has never gone over the speed limit, failed to maintain at least 2 seconds of distance from the car in front of them, failed to use their turn signal while changing lanes, or stayed in a 3 minute loading zone for more than 3 minutes.

The thread was about criminal offenses, not laws in general.
 
Bodi said:
No. It says most don't have violent convictions...
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Which is true. It also said that most don't have criminal convictions. Which is also true.

Most people have broken the law, but most people aren't criminals. Likewise, all illegal immigrants have broken the law, but most of them are not criminals.
 
j brown's body said:
"New nonpublic data from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) indicate that the government is primarily detaining individuals with no criminal convictions of any kind. Also, among those with criminal convictions, they are overwhelmingly not the violent offenses that ICE continuously uses to justify its deportation agenda. ICE has shared this data with people outside the agency, who shared the numbers with the Cato Institute.

As of June 14, ICE had booked into detention 204,297 individuals (since October 1, 2024, the start of fiscal year 2025). Of those book-ins, 65 percent, or 133,687 individuals, had no criminal convictions. Moreover, more than 93 percent of ICE book-ins were never convicted of any violent offenses. About nine in ten had no convictions for violent or property offenses. Most convictions (53 percent) fell into three main categories: immigration, traffic, or nonviolent vice crimes. The appendix table at the end of this post has data by detailed crime and broad crime categorization."

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Interesting when you consider ICE was created to protect us from foreign threats, not serve as the president's personal gestapo.

The other day, a car wash owner accused ICE agents of acting like criminals. They are causing more damage to communities than are the people they are rounding up.
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So what is the problem exactly?
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
I doubt you will find a single driver in the US who has never gone over the speed limit, failed to maintain at least 2 seconds of distance from the car in front of them, failed to use their turn signal while changing lanes, or stayed in a 3 minute loading zone for more than 3 minutes.

The thread was about criminal offenses, not laws in general.
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Interesting.....

Comparing traffic violations to identify theft....
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
Most people have broken the law, but most people aren't criminals. Likewise, all illegal immigrants have broken the law, but most of them are not criminals.
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And we can lose our license if we get enough points.

If you don't pay your registration or payments, you can lose your car.

I would equate losing your license or car to losing your right to stay in the country.


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noonereal said:
What percentage were here legally this is all that matters.
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Exactly, a very simple question of, have you entered the U.S.A. legally? Yes or No?
 
dmpi said:
Bad hombres just get deported. We often don't bother with the expense of a trial and conviction. But we do infact remember who they are just in case we see their sorry ass again.
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Good hombres too, if they entered illegally. It's more or less a matter of trespass to enter the U.S. at other than a legal entry point, with a consequence of being returned to where they entered from and required to enter legally, if they wish to not be deported or permanently be banned from entry.
 
Pyrite said:

President Trump is enacting a mass deportation campaign promised to be the largest in U.S. history. New data is giving a clearer picture of exactly what that looks like: at least 56,000 immigrants are being held in ICE detention.

According to the Deportation Data Project, a group that collects immigration numbers, about half the people in detention don't have criminal convictions. That's close to 30,000 people in detention, without a criminal record — the group that has grown the most in recent months.

"You listen to Tom Homan and Stephen Miller, they're saying things like they are going after the worst of the worst, the people who are murderers," says UCLA Professor Graeme Blair, referring to President Trump's 'Border czar' Tom Homan and key White House Aide Stephen Miller. "That's just not what the data says about the people that they are actually arresting."

In the first few months of the Trump administration, the number of detentions was around the same as during the Biden administration. But in recent weeks, there's been a push to detain more people, spearheaded by the recent goal of 3,000 ICE arrests per day.

According to Professor Blair, one of the directors of the Deportation Data Project, the ICE raids in Los Angeles marked a turning point: people without criminal records were increasingly being arrested. In fact, NPR's review of ICE data found that the number of people without criminal convictions in detention nearly doubled since May — more than any other group of detainees....
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Every non citizen who enters the U.S. should be given a numbered Arrival Departure card, which should be kept in their possession as long as they remain in the U.S. to provide proof of their legal entry into the U.S. if questioned by ICE or the police.
 
Bodi said:
And we can lose our license if we get enough points.

If you don't pay your registration or payments, you can lose your car.

I would equate losing your license or car to losing your right to stay in the country.


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Correct. And there are likewise penalties for repeated counts of unlawful presence in the US.

But, one count of unlawful presence is not a criminal offense any more than one parking violation is.
 
NoMoreDems-Reps said:
If they are ILLEGAL and ineligible for Asylum (which ~95% are) then ICE is totally justified in getting these CRIMINALS out of America!
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Let's suppose this is true. Somebody posted a picture of a road going past an aluminum obelisk, leading from Canada to the U.S. If a carload of illegals can enter that easily, but it takes a bunch of armed ICE agents to detain someone and put them through the system for three or four months of prison and trials, then can that enforcement mechanism really work? It can work to scare off mostly law-abiding, decent illegals who are afraid of the jail, but the jobs they work are still calling for someone to come in the country. And there are people out there in the world who won't be scared off by the risk of detention.

How do you keep this from being one big trade - getting rid of the better illegals, in exchange for worse ones?
 
bythoughts said:
Let's suppose this is true. Somebody posted a picture of a road going past an aluminum obelisk, leading from Canada to the U.S. If a carload of illegals can enter that easily, but it takes a bunch of armed ICE agents to detain someone and put them through the system for three or four months of prison and trials, then can that enforcement mechanism really work? It can work to scare off mostly law-abiding, decent illegals who are afraid of the jail, but the jobs they work are still calling for someone to come in the country. And there are people out there in the world who won't be scared off by the risk of detention.

How do you keep this from being one big trade - getting rid of the better illegals, in exchange for worse ones?
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By getting rid of ALL illegals, and refusing entry to those who are undesirable.
 
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