60% of liberals don't like America [W:13]

[Redress]

Liberals are aware the patriotic celebrations and even just the flag tends to make people more conservative for some time after the event. So come the 4th-its crickets from the left. But dont worry, they support our troops. :doh

Source for this?

 

[US Conservative]

Where do you come up with this ****?

I dont come up with anything, I read. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf

The three key findings of those attending July 4th celebrations:

When done before the age of 18, it increases the likelihood of a youth identifying as a Republican by at least 2 percent.
It raises the likelihood that parade watchers will vote for a Republican candidate by 4 percent.
It boosts the likelihood a reveler will vote by about 1 percent and increases the chances they’ll make a political contribution by 3 percent.
What’s more, the impact isn’t fleeting. “Surprisingly, the estimates show that the impact on political preferences is permanent, with no evidence of the effects depreciating as individuals become older,”said the Harvard report.

Finally, the report suggests that if people are looking for a super-patriotic July 4th, [they] should head to Republican towns. “Republican adults celebrate Fourth of July more intensively in the first place.”

The lefty lines like America **** yeah! and 'merica are based out of this disdain buddy. Why do you hate our nation?

 

[US Conservative]

Source for this?

See above.

 

[Kobie]

I dont come up with anything, I read. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf

The lefty lines like America **** yeah! and 'merica are based out of this disdain buddy.

The Harvard study certainly doesn't make people "more conservative." They don't start advocating against gay marriage because of it. They simply gravitate toward the party that has painted itself as the "patriotic" party. If anything, this is a sign that Republican marketing is still pretty good in some respects. They've sold you people quite the bill of goods.

Why do you hate our nation?

Aren't you adorable.

I don't hate our nation. I could do without some of its conservatives though.

 

[US Conservative]

The Harvard study certainly doesn't make people "more conservative." They don't start advocating against gay marriage because of it. They simply gravitate toward the party that has painted itself as the "patriotic" party. If anything, this is a sign that Republican marketing is still pretty good in some respects. They've sold you people quite the bill of goods.



Aren't you adorable.

I don't hate our nation. I could do without some of its conservatives though.

Im a conservative and Im for gay marriage. What now? There is an objectively measured shift towards conservative values, this is why we dont see lefties celebrating the 4th-their campaign advisers have advised them against it.

Sorry Kobie-loving your nation isn't a slick ruse, but the left all feels that it is. Cultural marxism is a real pill in that way. Liberals dont like America-they sneer at it. They dont love this nation, except like an abusive spouse who shows he cares by striking his wife-thats the appropriate analogy.

Now, just yesterday and not 20 minutes from me-there are protests going on about illegals being bussed here-and the news reported that someone had torn down and burned the American flags hanging from the fences at this protest. I had merely a second to think to myself "liberal", when the news clip cut to the actual perpetrator-it was a wide eyed lib right down to the horn rimmed glasses mumbling into the camera how evil America was.

We both know who that person was, and she wasn't a conservative.

 

[Kobie]

Im a conservative and Im for gay marriage. What now? There is an objectively measured shift towards conservative values, this is why we dont see lefties celebrating the 4th-their campaign advisers have advised them against it.

I was using gay marriage as an example. Unclench.

Sorry Kobie-loving your nation isn't a slick ruse, but the left all feels that it is. Cultural marxism is a real pill in that way. Liberals dont like America-they sneer at it. They dont love this nation, except like an abusive spouse who shows he cares by striking his wife-thats the appropriate analogy.

So you make a blanket strawman judgement of all liberals, as per usual ...

Now, just yesterday and not 20 minutes from me-there are protests going on about illegals being bussed here-and the news reported that someone had torn down and burned the American flags hanging from the fences at this protest. I had merely a second to think to myself "liberal", when the news clip cut to the actual perpetrator-it was a wide eyed lib right down to the horn rimmed glasses mumbling into the camera how evil America was.

We both know who that person was, and she wasn't a conservative.

... using an anecdote about one guy to justify it. Typical hackish BS.

You are claiming because this guy I totally have no reason to believe is real, since I don't trust you any further than I could throw you, was saying America was "evil" (and wearing horn rimmed glasses, whatever THAT has to do with anything) that he is not just a "liberal" (as opposed to an anarchist, or any other ideology, of which there are MORE THAN TWO), but somehow is representative of all liberals. That's ridiculously intellectually dishonest (or lazy, take your pick), even by your low standards.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they (conservatives) love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Al Franken

Al isn't the first person to voice this sort of opinion however.
There is a popular slogan which has long been bandied about in an edited form that goes "My country right or wrong!"
But there is another part to that slogan which is seldom heard. If you didn't know about the second part to the slogan you might be inclined to think it's a rather jingoistic sentiment.

Here it is in full:

"My country right or wrong. When right, to be KEPT right, when wrong, to be MADE right."

I believe some conservatives prefer the truncated version because they have difficulty believing the second half of the statement is legitimate.
It is far easier for them to run around calling everyone who disagrees with them a Communist.
That worked in the 1950's during the John Birch Society inspired Red Scare but, I hate to inform you, it doesn't work anymore.
And no matter how many BILLIONS the Koch Brothers spend, it still won't work.

 

[US Conservative]

I was using gay marriage as an example. Unclench.

ok

So you make a blanket strawman judgement of all liberals, as per usual ...

"Im using it as an example"

... using an anecdote about one guy to justify it. Typical hackish BS.

"Im using it as an example" unclench.

You are claiming because this guy I totally have no reason to believe is real, since I don't trust you any further than I could throw you, was saying America was "evil" (and wearing horn rimmed glasses, whatever THAT has to do with anything) that he is not just a "liberal" (as opposed to an anarchist, or any other ideology, of which there are MORE THAN TWO), but somehow is representative of all liberals. That's ridiculously intellectually dishonest (or lazy, take your pick), even by your low standards.

He's typical of liberals, america hating liberals aren't exactly a red herring-and for the record that horn rimmed lefty was a woman, not a man-whats with the assumptions dude?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know, the funniest thing is, NOT ONE conservative in Texas ever DARED to tell me to my face that I didn't love my country.
Not a single one, ever.
And there were plenty of opportunities for them to do so, because I shot tons of freelance video for the news media during the 2009 town hall "Summer of Anger" so I was around the most extreme, hardcore, foaming at the mouth righties you could ever dream of.

And I was carrying a camera around, which means I was a member of the enemy camp right off the bat because any media that was specifically on THEIR side had stickers all over their gear that identified them as fellow righties to the crowd.

Not me. My camera was a plain ordinary ENG professional news camera, no stickers, no station badges, no network ID. I could be anybody, even a commie pinko for all they knew.
They had plenty to say TO THE CAMERA of course.

But not a single one of them ever attempted to imply that I somehow might hate America or that I was somehow less than a man, or that I might be some weak-kneed cheese eating surrender monkey, or a commie, or "A LIBTARD"...

For some reason I get the overall impression that the purpose of this entire thread is not to debate anything but instead to smear, to intimidate and to throw red meat at the circus beasts.
But that is just my opinion, which I hope I have the right to express without repercussions.

I just know that some of the crap being thrown around in this thread wouldn't fly if this were a face to face conversation.
Wonder why it's okay on "the innernets"??

 

[Kobie]

He's typical of liberals, america hating liberals aren't exactly a red herring-

And this is why you continue to fail.

There is no such thing as a "typical liberal."

and for the record that horn rimmed lefty was a woman, not a man-whats with the assumptions dude?

Aren't you clever. By the way, you also just referred to this person as a "He."

For some reason I get the overall impression that the purpose of this entire thread is not to debate anything but instead to smear, to intimidate and to throw red meat at the circus beasts.

I think that's patently obvious, given who created it and who the main accusers of "LIBERALS HATE AMERICA" have been.

 

[US Conservative]

You know, the funniest thing is, NOT ONE conservative in Texas ever DARED to tell me to my face that I didn't love my country.
Not a single one, ever.
And there were plenty of opportunities for them to do so, because I shot tons of freelance video for the news media during the 2009 town hall "Summer of Anger" so I was around the most extreme, hardcore, foaming at the mouth righties you could ever dream of.

And I was carrying a camera around, which means I was a member of the enemy camp right off the bat because any media that was specifically on THEIR side had stickers all over their gear that identified them as fellow righties to the crowd.

Not me. My camera was a plain ordinary ENG professional news camera, no stickers, no station badges, no network ID. I could be anybody, even a commie pinko for all they knew.
They had plenty to say TO THE CAMERA of course.

But not a single one of them ever attempted to imply that I somehow might hate America or that I was somehow less than a man, or that I might be some weak-kneed cheese eating surrender monkey, or a commie, or "A LIBTARD"...

For some reason I get the overall impression that the purpose of this entire thread is not to debate anything but instead to smear, to intimidate and to throw red meat at the circus beasts.
But that is just my opinion, which I hope I have the right to express without repercussions.

I just know that some of the crap being thrown around in this thread wouldn't fly if this were a face to face conversation.
Wonder why it's okay on "the innernets"??

Texas? How is that relevant? How do you explain the poll that is the subject of the thread?

 

[Kobie]

Texas? How is that relevant? How do you explain the poll that is the subject of the thread?

The poll in the original post of the thread has nothing to do with "loving the country."

 

[US Conservative]

And this is why you continue to fail.

There is no such thing as a "typical liberal."



Aren't you clever. By the way, you also just referred to this person as a "He."

Kobie, there are a series of observations closely associated with liberals. This does not mean every liberal fits within that, but lets drop the outrage ruse.

Take a look at this-I didnt make it-but Im sure you recognize at least SOME truth within this

Now, consider that conservatives are presented as racist, greedy, evil, etc merely because they are conservative and ask yourself if there is any generalization from the left.

Lets stop pretending red herrings make the rule.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Texas? How is that relevant? How do you explain the poll that is the subject of the thread?

You don't know why TEXAS is relevant to the thread, eh? Hmmm, can't help you there, you're on your own.
I just happened to be living and working there in 2009. Hope that helps.

How do I explain WHAT about the poll?
It's a poll on townhall dot com...what do you want me to say about it?

I'll say this:
If it said anything to the contrary, townhall's subscriptions would drop to almost zero.
Very very VERY few polls or polling ORGANIZATIONS in this country are impartial, almost none.
There's a reason for that.

So a poll says "liberals hate America".
Hey, you go right ahead and believe that if you want to...ain't no way I am going to be able to stop you from believing it.
Just don't expect me to take the poll seriously.

 

[Kobie]

Kobie, there are a series of observations closely associated with liberals. This does not mean every liberal fits within that, but lets drop the outrage ruse.

Take a look at this-I didnt make it-but Im sure you recognize at least SOME truth within this

Now, consider that conservatives are presented as racist, greedy, evil, etc merely because they are conservative and ask yourself if there is any generalization from the left.

Lets stop pretending red herrings make the rule.

Of course there is generalization from SOME on the left. I guess your line of thinking is "that makes it OK."

There is no such thing as a "typical liberal" or a "typical conservative."

And with that, given that there is already a mod warning in place on the thread, I'm bowing out before this boils over.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Here's something everybody skipped over:

said they didn’t often feel proud to be American

DIDN'T OFTEN...that means that there still were times where they DID feel proud to be an American, otherwise the Pew poll and Fox News would have been glad to say something like "X number of percent of persons polled said that they HATE America or "never felt proud to be an American".
But because they used "didn't often" that means there had to be certain times where EVERYONE still felt proud to be American, regardless of political affiliation.

Most of the article was an OPINION piece, with frothy lines like:

I for one would not be opposed to having the 44 percent who aren’t proud to be American move to Costa Rica, or anywhere else for that matter. Despite the gridlock, scandals, and crises this country is currently facing, we are still the greatest nation on earth, period.

Which roughly translates to "IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY OR WHAT WE ARE DOING G.T.F.O."

And I am supposed to take this article seriously, or anyone defending it?

 

[Grand Mal]

I believe it's closer to 100%, otherwise they wouldn't continually try to change the form of government edging closer and closer to communism.

Definitely 100%. Bibles need to be piled up in bonfires and Mao's little red book handed out in elementary schools.
You got a problem with that?

 

[US Conservative]

You don't know why TEXAS is relevant to the thread, eh? Hmmm, can't help you there, you're on your own.
I just happened to be living and working there in 2009. Hope that helps.

How do I explain WHAT about the poll?
It's a poll on townhall dot com...what do you want me to say about it?

I'll say this:
If it said anything to the contrary, townhall's subscriptions would drop to almost zero.
Very very VERY few polls or polling ORGANIZATIONS in this country are impartial, almost none.
There's a reason for that.

So a poll says "liberals hate America".
Hey, you go right ahead and believe that if you want to...ain't no way I am going to be able to stop you from believing it.
Just don't expect me to take the poll seriously.

I dont expect you to take the poll seriously if you dont want to, but its not exactly inconsistant with my observations. And as for you even bringing up texas, I still dont see what that has to do with anything.

 

[US Conservative]

Of course there is generalization from SOME on the left. I guess your line of thinking is "that makes it OK."

There is no such thing as a "typical liberal" or a "typical conservative."

And with that, given that there is already a mod warning in place on the thread, I'm bowing out before this boils over.

Im saying generalizations exist for a reason. And, yes, its a good Idea to bow out, I think I will as well.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'll be in the Basement.

 

[CalGun]

GWB brought democracy (which liberals seem to hate) to two nations it was your loser in charge that quit, ran and empowered the enemy. Good luck living under sharia you leftist ought to love that one

You are drawing a lot of leaps and bounds to make your argument here. Thinking that American CAN and SHOULD be better doesn't make you "Un-American", if anything, it makes you more of a Patriot/American.

I was VERY proud to be American, until GWB sold out our integrity. We were once the beacon that other countries looked to...they looked up to our high standards and respected us for that. GWB bankrupted the morals of this country and although I still love my country, I am not as proud to say I am American as I once was, why? Its not because I care less about my country, if anything, I care more. Its because the world no longer looks at America as a shining example to the world. GWB kinda destroyed that for our generation.

 

[Leo]

LOL, I must confess that I am bemused by issues which appear to often bedevil US citizens. I was born in a nation which has well over a thousand years of constantly recorded history, which had an empire over which the sun did not set, and upon which the US's rights, laws, language and culture is based. Yet if someone were to ask me if I were proud to be a Brit, I would look at him strangely and move quickly on. I would have this reaction in common with most Europeans (not that sure about the French ).

Even were my nation that mythological creature - the best country in the world - on what basis could I, a 19 year old student, claim any reason for personal pride in its achievements? Do I approve of certain things my nation has done - yes. Do I disapprove of certain things my nation has done - certainly. I believe I have that in common with all sane human beings.

'Patriotism' - a debased and inexact term anyway - has nothing to do with political ideology, and, as far as I am concerned, the appropriate response to someone conducting a poll upon whether you are proud of your country, would be - mind your own business.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Question, who is the "OP" ?

You are.

On the DP I've seen it used as relating to the DP member who started a thread, the source used, the messenger or the message. Which is it ?

I always refer to the "OP" as the "Originating Poster".

On this particular thread I see two different Pew studies used and someone crunched the numbers coming up with libs aren't proud of America.

On this particular thread I see one Pew study and one article that dishonestly crunched the numbers coming up with liberals not being proud of America.

Have you noticed that around every July such a news story is released showing that libs either don't celebrate the 4th of July as say as most Americans or are not as patriotic, or didn't own an American flag before 9/11, etc, etc, etc. And every July libs get their panties all wadded up. Except back in 2012 and 2013.

I've noticed. I chalk it up to conservatives needing to feel good about themselves so they dishonestly post crap like this to do so.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Texas? How is that relevant? How do you explain the poll that is the subject of the thread?

You never did answer my question about how you felt about the dishonesty of the OP. I wonder why that is?

 

[US Conservative]

You never did answer my question about how you felt about the dishonesty of the OP. I wonder why that is?

Probably because you haven't read through the entirety of this thread. I dont think thats too much to ask.