58% for gay marriage. 36% against. [W: 572]

[James D Hill]

The right wing is losing ground in this issue every day. Even members of the GOP are starting to cave and the supreme court is about to overthrow DOMA everywhere the rednecks has voted it in. The right has lost on this issue just like they are on marijuana laws. How many more loser issues is the right wing going to stand for? Get into the 21st cantury my right wing friends.

 

[clownboy]

No, it's just another tired reframe into meme (Re: the thread title). We decide marriage by state. Populace heavy states pro-gay marriage will skew the results. Show the results by state and a different picture emerges as reflected by the law in those states.

Add to that the court has in no way signalled they are going to decide against DOMA. That one will be a mystery until they deliver the decision.

As far as I know "the right" is not uniformly against making pot legal and taxing the hell out of it. In any event, the anti-marijuana folks haven't lost yet by any shape or form. Only 18 of the 50 states allow for medical pot, and the feds don't.

 

[James D Hill]

No, it's just another tired reframe into meme (Re: the thread title). We decide marriage by state. Populace heavy states pro-gay marriage will skew the results. Show the results by state and a different picture emerges as reflected by the law in those states.

Add to that the court has in no way signalled they are going to decide against DOMA. That one will be a mystery until they deliver the decision.

As far as I know "the right" is not uniformly against making pot legal and taxing the hell out of it. In any event, the anti-marijuana folks haven't lost yet by any shape or form. Only 18 of the 50 states allow for medical pot, and the feds don't.

My point was that no matter who much the right harps about 32 out of 50 states voted against gay marriage those where mostly in rural and conservative states. All of the big states are for gay marriage even though the social conservatives have pushed through unconstitunial DOMA laws in some of those states. This stat shows the right is losing on this issue and even more so every day.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Then go be gay, and get married.

See...when in the course of society there are those poor pathetic creatures that just drone on and on about the "loony right," they (unbeknownst to themselves) actually become the "loony left." Fortunately for the rest of us, we far outweigh both sides of Looneyville.

 

[cpwill]

My point was that no matter who much the right harps about 32 out of 50 states voted against gay marriage those where mostly in rural and conservative states. All of the big states are for gay marriage

:roll: what you mean like California?

 

[AGENT J]

The right wing is losing ground in this issue every day. Even members of the GOP are starting to cave and the supreme court is about to overthrow DOMA everywhere the rednecks has voted it in. The right has lost on this issue just like they are on marijuana laws. How many more loser issues is the right wing going to stand for? Get into the 21st cantury my right wing friends.

not sure if your numbers are accurate or what poll this was or how it was worded but as time marches on, more and more people will simply be for equal rights. its nice the majority of americans arent hypocrites on this issue, i actually find it pathetic that that many are against equal rights

 

[StringBean]

81% of young people favor SSM.

Don't be a democrat and deny math here old-timers.

 

[code1211]

not sure if your numbers are accurate or what poll this was or how it was worded but as time marches on, more and more people will simply be for equal rights. its nice the majority of americans arent hypocrites on this issue, i actually find it pathetic that that many are against equal rights

The two issues he cites are obviously coming to legalization and soon.

These are non issues. The whole gay rights thing is the ultimate victimless crime. The Legalization of grass is long overdue and probably would have been already if there was a reliable "Sobriety" check that could be used at curb side.

We really need to examine all of our complex web of laws to figure out why we have the highest incarceration rate in the free world.

 

[ChuckBerry]

It's hard for me to reconcile how on the one hand SSM proponents say SSM doesn't affect heterosexual marriage in any way, and on the other cite polls that show that 58% of people support that which affects them in no way. (Yes, I understand some homosexuals were likely polled as well).

This suggests to me that the majority of people don't support SSM, they just don't care enough to oppose it.

BTW I fully support marijuana legalization.

 

[Gardener]

Fortunately for the rest of us, we far outweigh both sides of Looneyville.

Have you considered cutting back on the Big Macs?

 

[Mathematician]

81% of young people favor SSM.

Don't be a democrat and deny math here old-timers.

These are the same youngsters that send anything from nude pics to death threats by text message. They have a very poor grasp of reality.

 

[Gardener]

These are the same youngsters that send anything from nude pics to death threats by text message. They have a very poor grasp of reality.

What a startling revelation that 81% of young people are sending nude pics and making death threats by text.


As far as poor grasps of reality are concerned, however, it appears these youngsters are not alone.

 

[Conservative]

My point was that no matter who much the right harps about 32 out of 50 states voted against gay marriage those where mostly in rural and conservative states. All of the big states are for gay marriage even though the social conservatives have pushed through unconstitunial DOMA laws in some of those states. This stat shows the right is losing on this issue and even more so every day.

We have a 16.6 trillion dollar debt, over 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, .1% GDP growth, record numbers on taxpayer assisted welfare programs and this is an issue for you? Amazing priorities some people have. This is a state issue that the left wants to make national and thus increase their expansion of Federal Govt. control. It is sad how morally bankrupts so many are

 

[Bori]

We have a 16.6 trillion dollar debt, over 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, .1% GDP growth, record numbers on taxpayer assisted welfare programs and this is an issue for you? Amazing priorities some people have. This is a state issue that the left wants to make national and thus increase their expansion of Federal Govt. control. It is sad how morally bankrupts so many are

just out of curiosity, should racial segregation in schooling be a state issue? I'm not equating civil rights for blacks to that of gays (that's a conversation for a different time), but where do we draw the line on state versus fed business?

 

[Conservative]

just out of curiosity, should racial segregation in schooling be a state issue? I'm not equating civil rights for blacks to that of gays (that's a conversation for a different time), but where do we draw the line on state versus fed business?

Show me where marriage is defined in the Constitution? Race is a Constitutional issue. You want marriage in the Constitution then Amend the Constitution

 

[VanceMack]

Isnt it odd then that when it gets put to a vote, most states continue to support the existing laws and in fact pass state constitutional laws banning it forever. That's just...really strange...since you know...most people 'support' changing the law and stuff...

 

[Bori]

Show me were marriage is defined in the Constitution? Race is a Constitutional issue. You want marriage in the Constitution then Amend the Constitution

so gays should be denied the right to marry on what basis?

 

[Conservative]

so gays should be denied the right to marry on what basis?

Marriage is a contract between two individuals which is controlled by the states. You want marriages as a federal issue then amend to Constitution to define it. Marriage isn't mentioned in the Constitution. Gays have the same rights as I have to form a union with a member of the opposite sex

 

[Slyfox696]

We have a 16.6 trillion dollar debt, over 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, .1% GDP growth, record numbers on taxpayer assisted welfare programs and this is an issue for you?

I would argue anytime discrimination based upon biological factors is being implemented in law it should be an issue.

This is a state issue that the left wants to make national and thus increase their expansion of Federal Govt. control.

It was made a federal issue a long time ago whenever the federal government began giving benefits to heterosexual married couples. Now if you're arguing to remove all benefits for heterosexual couples (and I have no reason to believe you wouldn't agree to that), then I would have no problem with homosexual couples not receiving benefits under law.

Gays have the same rights as I have to form a union with a member of the opposite sex

But they do not receive the same legal benefits. When they are treated equally under the law, then I will grant you this statement.

 

[Conservative]

I would argue anytime discrimination based upon biological factors is being implemented in law it should be an issue.


It was made a federal issue a long time ago whenever the federal government began giving benefits to heterosexual married couples. Now if you're arguing to remove all benefits for heterosexual couples (and I have no reason to believe you wouldn't agree to that), then I would have no problem with homosexual couples not receiving benefits under law.

But they do not receive the same legal benefits. When they are treated equally under the law, then I will grant you this statement.

Typical liberalism, anything you want is a civil right? Marriage isnt a right it is a civil contract that is controlled by the states. You want it to be a Federal Amendment to the Constitituion, then go for it. Until then you have the same rights I have, to marry someone of the opposite sex that would have you. You want legal benefits then go for a civil union, don't change the laws just to meet your selfish desires.

 

[wolfie]

Typical liberalism, anything you want is a civil right? Marriage isnt a right it is a civil contract that is controlled by the states. You want it to be a Federal Amendment to the Constitituion, then go for it. Until then you have the same rights I have, to marry someone of the opposite sex that would have you. You want legal benefits then go for a civil union, don't change the laws just to meet your selfish desires.

Don't vote for gay marriage..it is cruel to gay's who will no longer feel persecuted...

What the hell will they do with their spare time??

 

[Slyfox696]

Typical liberalism, anything you want is a civil right?

That is not what I said at all. Please re-read my statement.

Marriage isnt a right

I didn't say it was. Could you please cut out rhetoric and actually respond to my post?

Until then you have the same rights I have, to marry someone of the opposite sex that would have you.

But homosexuals do not have the same right to marry the person they love. For people like you and me, we can marry the person we love. A homosexual can not.

You want legal benefits then go for a civil union, don't change the laws just to meet your selfish desires.

How is changing the law to promote equality under the law selfish? Wouldn't denying homosexuals the same benefit heterosexuals receive under law be far more selfish? We get what we want but they cannot have what we have?

Again, please drop the rhetoric and respond to my actual points.

 

[Conservative]

Don't vote for gay marriage..it is cruel to gay's who will no longer feel persecuted...

What the hell will they do with their spare time??

Good point, any gay thread sure brings out the zealots who seem to want to force their views on everyone else. Marriage isn't a civil right, it is a choice that people choose to make and that choice has historical references including civil law which is a state issue. With all the problems facing this country including the moral decline it is sickening to me that this is THE major issue for so many people. Rather than accept a civil union they demand that marriage be given civil rights recognition which destroys centuries of precedence.

 

[ecofarm]

Don't vote for gay marriage..it is cruel to gay's who will no longer feel persecuted...

What the hell will they do with their spare time??

More gay sex!

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Have you considered cutting back on the Big Macs?

Touche'.