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57 murders in 50 days. Baltimore continues to be a murder zone....

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Freddie Gray!

Freddie Gray!

Freddie Gray!

Name a street after Freddie Gray!
The sad part? After Freddie Gray, they wanted cops out of Black areas. So they left....and then crime rose. Then the people started screeching "Where are the police?!"

Some people are just never satisfied.
 

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Baltimore has one of most racist historys of any city in America. The result has been highly racially segregated,segregated, ridden communities. Violence is a characteristic of this kind of community.
Baltimore PD is among the most corrupt in the nation (Minn PD. and LAPD are up there too). Of course, the Mayor's office isn't exactly clean either.
 

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There is also the desperation caused by the increased poverty because of the shutdown of the economy.
Uhm.... Poverty rates actually fell for several months at the start of the pandemic. They're only around 1% higher than pre-pandemic rates.

Much of the "desperation" is at least temporarily mitigated due to enhanced UI benefits, occasional stimulus payments, eviction moratoriums and so on.

More importantly: Poverty rates aren't well correlated to crime rates. Crime rates soared in the 80s and early 90s; poverty rates did not. Crime fell in the 90s, 00s and most of the 10s; poverty rates did not. Poverty rates rose in 2008; crime rates did not.

Yet again, there is no simple (and certainly no singular) answer to why crime rates rise and fall.
 

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The violence is out of control because of CRIMINALS. The ROOT CAUSE of criminality needs to be addressed... What causes people to think that it's OK to victimize another human being? I just don't understand the mentality. Are these people mentally ill? Jesus H. Christ.........
Poverty, inequality and racism. Fix that and crime will decrease.
 

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EVERYONE should be worried about the violence going on in other places in the nation.
If you think you live in some place that is immune to crime, it might be because you don't have information of the types of crimes that are taking place in your area.
People like to call it an anomaly when it happens, even when the frequency increase and the types of crime expands. There are no crime free areas in America or any other place... Some people commit crimes and just have not been caught "yet".
 
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The Thirteen Amendment was designed with a clause that never should have been put in it. (bold and red text should never have been put into this Amendment. Life long slavery was started as a punishment for crime.

""Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.".

It created a recipe for "convictions" to things white men normally walked free. Penal Farms make profit for many, and now we have "for profit prisons" that rely on a steady stream of convictions, and once convicted, they can have charges attached to them while incarcerated to prolong the term, which means "more profit for the for profit prisons".

When condition set the stage for crime, crime will take to the stage.

When people start off from this

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and end up in this...
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Yes, Crime Will Increase
 

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Actually, I agree that this is an economic issue as well as a criminal one. The trouble is, the people who run Baltimore have been allowed to run it into the ground with piss-poor management. Each step of bad decisions put another nail in the coffin of Baltimore. What I don't like is that the people who are responsible for the downfall of a once great city do not get the fault for their actions. Baltimore didn't just up and die in a day. It took years of bad policy decisions to do this. I blame it on decades of democratic politicians. Yes, greedy corporations are partially to blame, but the lions share goes to the politicians who allowed, and in some cases actually caused, it to happen.
Can you provide anything other than just your opinion?
 

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No, that is not true, especially when it comes the extreme poverty urban blacks face:
Well, whatever correlation they noticed back in 1996 obviously didn't hold up just a few years later:

HOMICIDE RATE and POVERTY RATE.png

And again, poverty rates fell in the 60s and 70s, while crime rose.

On a state level, there are certainly some outliers that don't make sense. E.g. Maine has one of the lowest homicide rates, but is in the middle of the rankings for poverty rates; Kentucky has a high poverty rate, but is in the middle for homicide rates.

Poverty rates are slightly higher in rural areas than urban ones (except in the US south, where rural poverty is much higher than urban), but for decades rural crime rates were significantly below urban. How does that work? 🤨

And of course, we can't forget the impact of structural racism (and classism) on all of this, as police have deliberately targeted poverty-stricken urban minority neighborhoods for overpolicing, which is obviously going to damage the social fabric of those communities.

(And doesn't it follow that if poverty causes crime, then why shouldn't we just throw money at poor people to reduce crime rates, instead of spending hundreds of billions on law enforcement and jails?)

The bottom line is that nobody really knows what causes the changes in crime rates that we've seen over the past few decades. Criminologists and other researchers have spent decades banging their heads against that brick wall, and have had no success in finding any simple answers.

It's frustrating, but it also means that the usual pat answers -- poverty, unemployment, Twitter, whatever -- are probably wrong, or at best a tiny piece of a complex puzzle.
 

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No, I don't think insanity is the right terminology here. These people are likely able to use moral reasoning and thus should be arrested and tried, going to jail if determined guilty.

But if we fail to understand the root causes, then we are simply fighting the symptoms by putting people in jail. Efforts going towards reducing or removing the conditions to put people in the sort of mindset to commit crimes can be a more efficient investment than the cost of jailing people for years.
The 'root causes' have been evident for over 50 years and yet there are people who still don't what they are? Time to have Kamala investigate.
 

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Murder is just one way the Democratic Party uses to reduce black population growth, though abortions are the #1 method.
 

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Some will blame the criminals.
Some will blame the Police.

I see you've made your choice.

BTW, if you are near Daytona Beach this guy right here shot a cop in the head last night.
$100,000 reward, keep your eyes peeled:

View attachment 67339468 Odds are he's a Democrat.
 

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When did the Democratic Party want anything but to limit black population growth? Ever?
 

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When did the Democratic Party want anything but to limit black population growth? Ever?
That's right. From slavery, to Jim Crow, to Margaret Sanger and the present day abortion industry, Black people have been used only for Dem elections. Now that uneducated Hispanics are taking their place as the primary victims, the Black population will slide further down the social ladder
 

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Well, whatever correlation they noticed back in 1996 obviously didn't hold up just a few years later:

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And again, poverty rates fell in the 60s and 70s, while crime rose.

On a state level, there are certainly some outliers that don't make sense. E.g. Maine has one of the lowest homicide rates, but is in the middle of the rankings for poverty rates; Kentucky has a high poverty rate, but is in the middle for homicide rates.

Poverty rates are slightly higher in rural areas than urban ones (except in the US south, where rural poverty is much higher than urban), but for decades rural crime rates were significantly below urban. How does that work? 🤨

And of course, we can't forget the impact of structural racism (and classism) on all of this, as police have deliberately targeted poverty-stricken urban minority neighborhoods for overpolicing, which is obviously going to damage the social fabric of those communities.

(And doesn't it follow that if poverty causes crime, then why shouldn't we just throw money at poor people to reduce crime rates, instead of spending hundreds of billions on law enforcement and jails?)

The bottom line is that nobody really knows what causes the changes in crime rates that we've seen over the past few decades. Criminologists and other researchers have spent decades banging their heads against that brick wall, and have had no success in finding any simple answers.

It's frustrating, but it also means that the usual pat answers -- poverty, unemployment, Twitter, whatever -- are probably wrong, or at best a tiny piece of a complex puzzle.
The Great Depression should have had the highest crime rates in US history but that never happened.
 

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The bottom line is that nobody really knows what causes the changes in crime rates that we've seen over the past few decades. Criminologists and other researchers have spent decades banging their heads against that brick wall, and have had no success in finding any simple answers.

It's frustrating, but it also means that the usual pat answers -- poverty, unemployment, Twitter, whatever -- are probably wrong, or at best a tiny piece of a complex puzzle.
The decline in the quality of public education and the politicization against the Christian Church may have contributed a great deal.
 

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The US needs to badly de-weaponize its society and police, launch not only a massive infrastructure but also a huge anti-poverty and anti-racism bill and invest significantly in psychological treatment centers and drug/homeless prevention centers.

The US society is too violent and militarized. In 99% of 911 calls, police respond to a call - contrary to Europe - where for example at a domestic dispute or when psychologically impaired people are involved social workers are the first responders.
 

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The US needs to badly de-weaponize its society and police, launch not only a massive infrastructure but also a huge anti-poverty and anti-racism bill and invest significantly in psychological treatment centers and drug/homeless prevention centers.

The US society is too violent and militarized. In 99% of 911 calls, police respond to a call - contrary to Europe - where for example at a domestic dispute or when psychologically impaired people are involved social workers are the first responders.
Austrians. like other European cultures, do very well in the United States also. There are a variety of cultures in the US, which is not true of Austria.

However that does not mean that Austria, with its lengthy history of wars and millions of deaths, is not without its more recent problems. https://www.brookings.edu/research/...edom-party-and-changing-perceptions-of-islam/
 
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