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57 murders in 50 days. Baltimore continues to be a murder zone....

Maidenrules29

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The violence is out of control because of CRIMINALS. The ROOT CAUSE of criminality needs to be addressed... What causes people to think that it's OK to victimize another human being? I just don't understand the mentality. Are these people mentally ill? Jesus H. Christ.........
 
Unfortunately, after researching this topic a bit yesterday, it looks like the pandemic has helped exacerbate mental health issues which could be contributing to this.
 
Unfortunately, after researching this topic a bit yesterday, it looks like the pandemic has helped exacerbate mental health issues which could be contributing to this.
Temporary insanity?
 
Temporary insanity?
No, I don't think insanity is the right terminology here. These people are likely able to use moral reasoning and thus should be arrested and tried, going to jail if determined guilty.

But if we fail to understand the root causes, then we are simply fighting the symptoms by putting people in jail. Efforts going towards reducing or removing the conditions to put people in the sort of mindset to commit crimes can be a more efficient investment than the cost of jailing people for years.
 
Unfortunately, after researching this topic a bit yesterday, it looks like the pandemic has helped exacerbate mental health issues which could be contributing to this.
I get that people have had it rough during the pandemic. Hell, I lost my Mother and my wife lost her father. Neither from Covid but we lost them while this shitstorm was happening. Luckily we both were still working but we also both got Covid because of the added exposure BECAUSE WE WERE STILL WORKING lol. With the general public I may add, which increased our exposure. Add to that the fact that we are both "long haulers" we both still have symptoms 7 months later. Neither one of us can taste or smell still and we both get winded after semi-strenuous activity. Have we felt the need to attack anyone? No.
 
My thoughts are the violence is prevalent only in certain areas of the city like most major cities. The majority of the city is safe. You just need to know the areas you have no business visiting.

The gang/drug problem is the major contributor. Law enforcement knows where they are. They don't want to deal with it.
 
No, I don't think insanity is the right terminology here. These people are likely able to use moral reasoning and thus should be arrested and tried, going to jail if determined guilty.

But if we fail to understand the root causes, then we are simply fighting the symptoms by putting people in jail. Efforts going towards reducing or removing the conditions to put people in the sort of mindset to commit crimes can be a more efficient investment than the cost of jailing people for years.
Reducing or removing those conditions could help but most criminals become criminals due to horrible life choices they make. And those choices are usually due to bad parenting. Which is a completely different subject.....
 
My thoughts are the violence is prevalent only in certain areas of the city like most major cities. The majority of the city is safe. You just need to know the areas you have no business visiting.

The gang/drug problem is the major contributor. Law enforcement knows where they are. They don't want to deal with it.
They were dealing with it until they were told it was racist to do so.
 
I get that people have had it rough during the pandemic. Hell, I lost my Mother and my wife lost her father. Neither from Covid but we lost them while this shitstorm was happening. Luckily we both were still working but we also both got Covid because of the added exposure BECAUSE WE WERE STILL WORKING lol. With the general public I may add, which increased our exposure. Add to that the fact that we are both "long haulers" we both still have symptoms 7 months later. Neither one of us can taste or smell still and we both get winded after semi-strenuous activity. Have we felt the need to attack anyone? No.
I am sorry for your experiences and loss during the last year. I made it out ok and if I did get COVID, it was symptom free.

I think the test in red is key though. The lockdowns caused a lot of desperation for people at the margins who may not have been unable to collect employment. I think that combined with the lockdown just causing a lot of anxiety may be the two biggest drivers of the crime wave.

Its not just the US either: https://www.asisonline.org/security...pean-union-faces-pandemic-induced-crime-wave/ also there is historical correlation between disasters and increased crime https://crimesciencejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40163-020-00117-6

Unfortunately, desperate people do desperate things. The problem is that neighborhood relations with police are at a low point too, so the answers may not come easy in those communities.
 
Reducing or removing those conditions could help but most criminals become criminals due to horrible life choices they make. And those choices are usually due to bad parenting. Which is a completely different subject.....
Its actually strong social networks that tend to reduce crime rate with parents being part of that social network. Other forms of parenting, like robust community parenting are also shown to work pretty well. So, you are sort of right, but you did not take into account all effective possibilities.
 
The gang/drug problem is the major contributor. Law enforcement knows where they are. They don't want to deal with it.
I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to deal with it, as much as a matter of not having the laws to deal with it.

The war on drugs is over, and drugs won.
 

It's a good thing you're on the other side of the country and don't need to worry.
 
Awful. Imagine living in a war zone like that.
 
'The best way to stop bullets from flying and lives being lost is "JOBS"

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We won't stand up and allow our government to help us, and ensure our banks loan to those who can and will design and produce good quality products, and manage their production and manage their growth to not excessively continue borrowing when there is not market shares developed to the level to support the debt.
We have people who created good products and its goes to shit, the minute they get greedy and "go public"... its then no longer the company that the original designer and producers created. It's gets sucked up in the Monopoly game, and quality declines, price increase and deception of name brand becomes nothing but a con delusion, of what it use to be.

We can change all of that... but not as long as we fight against any and every bill and measure that is designed to help, benefit, and contribute to the American People, as person as individual, and as community, city and state.

Our result is every kind of depression related condition from poverty that breeds crime, to mayhem in the family, to people going into violent rages of every type., to the ravages of drug situation trying to numb the distresses with addictive substances, then we promote more guns. We treat violent death as a commonality that we've found means to accept it by the simple pointing of fingers.
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To those who don't know, Baltimore was the first city to have its citizens stop supporting its police. At that time, the local black community stated that they didn't like the police and would not support them. Most of us stated at that time that this would be the result. Police not doing "active policing" because they were not being supported. This was an avoidable result of some very bad leadership. Unfortunately, we see that many large cities across the US aren't learning from Baltimore's mistakes...
 
To those who don't know, Baltimore was the first city to have its citizens stop supporting its police. At that time, the local black community stated that they didn't like the police and would not support them. Most of us stated at that time that this would be the result. Police not doing "active policing" because they were not being supported. This was an avoidable result of some very bad leadership. Unfortunately, we see that many large cities across the US aren't learning from Baltimore's mistakes...

There are over 3100 police officers in Baltimore. So according to you, they aren't working?
 
Baltimore has one of most racist historys of any city in America. The result has been highly racially segregated,segregated, ridden communities. Violence is a characteristic of this kind of community.

Deal with that and the violence will decrease. But nobody wants to deal with it, so they send in police to act like an occupying force. Its not effective.
 
There are over 3100 police officers in Baltimore. So according to you, they aren't working?

It is called "on demand policing". If a police force feels that they are not going to be supported by their superiors, they don't go out looking for trouble. They just wait for calls to come in and answer them. The opposite of that is the police going out actively searching for bad guys.
 
To those who don't know, Baltimore was the first city to have its citizens stop supporting its police. At that time, the local black community stated that they didn't like the police and would not support them. Most of us stated at that time that this would be the result. Police not doing "active policing" because they were not being supported. This was an avoidable result of some very bad leadership. Unfortunately, we see that many large cities across the US aren't learning from Baltimore's mistakes...
That's not the issue... the issue is "the economy" and the long term decrepit economic conditions that have had people relying on drugs and crime for means of making it, that created the cut throat environment. Policing has never been able to stop that in the history of America.
What people are saying with regards to police is ..."Change"... stop amplifying the already existing anguish with brutality and murder by police and deal with the myriad of issues including how to deal with mental illness and the other issues that impact people who fall into acts that break the law.

Baltimore, MD Unemployment Rate Report

Now... everyone knows whether they admit it or not, if these are the averaged unemployment figures, then the rates in poor black and other areas is spiking at 12% or higher. Perspectives Matter!!!! Many of these areas are "old" with homes that are more than 60-80 yrs old and over the period unmaintained roads, sidewalks and broken down and run down business areas and many other challenging things.

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Facts Matter:
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It is a historical fact, however, that the handful of businesses looted and burned in the eruption of spontaneous and entirely understandable social anger is nothing in comparison to the systematic destruction long wrought by the corporate and financial interests Rawlings-Blake and the rest of the political establishment defend. A review of the systematic destruction of decent-paying jobs and the impoverishment of the large portions of the population—black, white and immigrant—exposes who the real vandals are

Once an industrial hub for steel, ship building, automotive, electronics and chemical manufacturing, the city of 622,000 people today lies in a near-ruined state as idled factories and acre after acre of abandoned industrial wasteland litter the region.

Throughout the twentieth century, Baltimore was synonymous with steel, as the region began producing in 1887. Upon establishing its mill at nearby Sparrows Point in 1917, the Bethlehem Steel Company ordered over 10,000 living units constructed to house the plant’s workforce, eventually employing half the town in its massive steel operations.

The mill would go on to become the largest in the world throughout the middle of the twentieth century, producing hundreds of thousands of tons of steel each year to build the Golden Gate bridge and the tunnels to New York City and much of its skyline. Bethlehem’s shipbuilding operations, started in 1905, manufactured and repaired cruise ships, cargo and other commercial vessels and over 1,100 military ships in World War II alone.

In addition to Bethlehem, which was the eighth largest company in the US, numerous other manufacturing firms, including General Motors, Solo Cup and Huish Detergents (now Sun Products) employed tens of thousands of workers in the city.

“Bethlehem Steel wasn’t even the highest-paying steel job back then; Eastern Stainless cleaned up as far as that was concerned,” said Pete, a former Bethlehem Steel worker who spoke with the World Socialist Web Site. “Working at the [Bethlehem Steel mill’s] blast furnace department, it was a hard job, but it provided a good workout and the best part was that you worked as a team; everyone, even the guys managing, had to put in work there,” Pete said.

In 2005, General Motors closed a 70-year-old van assembly plant in the city, resulting in over 1,000 job losses. From 1970 until 2000, Baltimore lost as many as 100,000 manufacturing jobs as companies shuttered plants and moved to areas with a more readily exploitable workforce.

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There are over 3100 police officers in Baltimore. So according to you, they aren't working?

Some will blame the criminals.
Some will blame the Police.

I see you've made your choice.

BTW, if you are near Daytona Beach this guy right here shot a cop in the head last night.
$100,000 reward, keep your eyes peeled:

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It is called "on demand policing". If a police force feels that they are not going to be supported by their superiors, they don't go out looking for trouble. They just wait for calls to come in and answer them. The opposite of that is the police going out actively searching for bad guys.

So you're saying that the 3100+ Baltimore police officers are not doing their jobs. They're just sitting around waiting for calls. Okay. I'm sure you can verify that.
 
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