5 Facts About Abortion

[steen]

And I am not sure what purpose or use a video of that nature woud have.

Pro-lifers have great faith in fetal porn. they get emotionally aroused by it, and thus believe that everybody else willl be as well.

 

[talloulou]

Pro-lifers have great faith in fetal porn. they get emotionally aroused by it, and thus believe that everybody else willl be as well.

This statement is absurd. Why do prochoicers find it offensive to view and look at pictures that depict abortion? What's wrong with looking at and seeing what we are discussing?

 

[ngdawg]

This statement is absurd. Why do prochoicers find it offensive to view and look at pictures that depict abortion? What's wrong with looking at and seeing what we are discussing?

1) because the pushing of such is a propagandist attempt to gross out the opposition in the hopes they will become as radically crazy after viewing is not something we're gonna fall for because:
2) not one person has denied what abortion is, although there is some disagreement as to its violent results.
3) there has been, for probably 30 years, disagreement as to the validity of such videos and pictures. It's been pretty well documented many years ago that many of the so-called photographs were either doctored to enhance the gore factor or completely falsified or not of aborted fetuses at all, but of miscarried deformed ones.
4)the poster whose insistance upon seeing her propagandist, heavily biased and questionable sources, has shown herself here to not be in full control of her faculties and not very knowledgeable despite her 'experience'.
5) we just ate.

 

[jfuh]

This statement is absurd. Why do prochoicers find it offensive to view and look at pictures that depict abortion? What's wrong with looking at and seeing what we are discussing?

It's nothing but a deception. See post #35

 

[talloulou]

It's nothing but a deception. See post #35

That's a copout. If all the prolife pictures were deceptive why don't you post prochoice pictures that aren't so horrifying? If there are nicer pics of abortion where are they? The fact of the matter is there are and never will be pictures of abortion that aren't horrible and that don't provoke an emotional response. Gee I wonder why that is?

 

[talloulou]

2) not one person has denied what abortion is, although there is some disagreement as to its violent results.

That's not true many prochoicers have gone through crazy song and dance to show that abortion kills something less than a living human being. They use derogatory language to describe and devalue the fetus.

3) there has been, for probably 30 years, disagreement as to the validity of such videos and pictures. It's been pretty well documented many years ago that many of the so-called photographs were either doctored to enhance the gore factor or completely falsified or not of aborted fetuses at all, but of miscarried deformed ones.

Yes and how easy would it be for prochoicers to produce their own undoctored photos that portray abortion in a truer light then the supposed prolife photo smear campaign?

 

[jfuh]

That's a copout. If all the prolife pictures were deceptive why don't you post prochoice pictures that aren't so horrifying? If there are nicer pics of abortion where are they? The fact of the matter is there are and never will be pictures of abortion that aren't horrible and that don't provoke an emotional response. Gee I wonder why that is?

No it's not a cop out, and no I'm not denying those pictures as being false. I said they were a deception. Let me clarify. A deception to the general public about what abortion entails. When in fact as I've pointed out already 88% of all abortions are performed by the 8th week.
Many ppl find blood itself horrifying. I could point to a picture of birth itself with the vaginal canal split wide open and the bloody head of the fetus coming out and it would be just as horrifying to many ppl as well. The slaughter of cows, pigs, chickens, all these images would be horrifying. I can even show you a video of a woman getting a face lift and many ppl would find the probes poking around the face just as queezy. There is almost no medical surgery that is not horrifying to the weak stomached.

Thus, case in point, the posting of those pictures is nothing but deceptive.

 

[jfuh]

That's not true many prochoicers have gone through crazy song and dance to show that abortion kills something less than a living human being. They use derogatory language to describe and devalue the fetus.

There's a lie. Life begins with fertilization, yep, no debate. However what is it once the egg is fertilized? Is that a human being? no it's a single cell.
The use of human being to incite an emotional response is nothing short of deception from the realities.

 

[talloulou]

Thus, case in point, the posting of those pictures is nothing but deceptive.

If you've proven the pics, all of them, to be false you could say it's deceptive. However just because they provoke emotion and horrify that doesn't mean they are deceptive. You could argue they are gross or in bad taste. But deceptive has a meaning and you are using the term incorrectly.

 

[steen]

This statement is absurd. Why do prochoicers find it offensive to view and look at pictures that depict abortion? What's wrong with looking at and seeing what we are discussing?

No problem with the picture of tissue. It is the lying narration that always follows. Lies are disgusting. Liars are creep.

but obviously, pro-lifers ARE aroused by fetal porn. They get all emotional about it and yammer and beat their chest about the poor wittle beebees and whatever other hyperbole and emotional histrionics they spew. Fetal porn obviously is BIG deal to pro-lifers. Funny that they think it matters one bit to the rest of us who are not ruled by hysterics.

 

[talloulou]

No problem with the picture of tissue. It is the lying narration that always follows. Lies are disgusting. Liars are creep.

but obviously, pro-lifers ARE aroused by fetal porn.

Wow talk about hypocrisy!

I think prolifers use the pictures to combat lies such as the fetus is a parasite, an appendix, or cargo!

 

[steen]

Wow talk about hypocrisy!

I think prolifers use the pictures to combat lies such as the fetus is a parasite, an appendix, or cargo!

It is tissue, fetal porn none withstanding. How is it hypocritical to point that out? And anyway, I am surprised that you don't know that most abortions don't include fetuses? I would have thought you had learned that by now, but perhaps you are as dependent on revisionist linguistics as you are on fetal porn for your arguments? :roll:

 

[talloulou]

It is tissue, fetal porn none withstanding. How is it hypocritical to point that out? And anyway, I am surprised that you don't know that most abortions don't include fetuses?

Where did I state they did?

I called you a hypocrite because you said prolifers are aroused by fetal porn. Obviously a lie. And that statement came following your statement about how creepy liars are.

And furthermore would you support a ban on abortions that killed a fetus as long as the mother was in good health?

No?

Didn't think so.

 

[steen]

Where did I state they did?

I called you a hypocrite because you said prolifers are aroused by fetal porn. Obviously a lie.

Ah, more flasehoods. the only ones who are really excited about fetal porn are the pro-lifres. Tjhe rest of us are just annoyed about the lies associated with it.

And furthermore would you support a ban on abortions that killed a fetus as long as the mother was in good health?

No?

Didn't think so.

Of course I wouldn't. I don't accept the enslavement of the woman. If you want fewer abortions, then help women prevent unwanted pregnancy, or help them out more if they are already pregnant. YOU want them to carry the burden of pregnancy, so YOU pay.

 

[talloulou]

Ah, more flasehoods. the only ones who are really excited about fetal porn are the pro-lifres. Tjhe rest of us are just annoyed about the lies associated with it.

Of course I wouldn't. I don't accept the enslavement of the woman. If you want fewer abortions, then help women prevent unwanted pregnancy, or help them out more if they are already pregnant. YOU want them to carry the burden of pregnancy, so YOU pay.

There is no enslavement. You undermine what slavery was really about.

 

[steen]

There is no enslavement. You undermine what slavery was really about.

You are minimizing your misogyny and push for enslavement of women. When you remove the right to their own bodies, a very basic civil right, then you very much are enslaving them.

 

[FallingPianos]

"slavery", "murder", "misogyny", and "abortion holocaust" are all hyperbole. both sides would benefit from not using it.

please?

 

[talloulou]

Of course I wouldn't. I don't accept the enslavement of the woman. If you want fewer abortions, then help women prevent unwanted pregnancy, or help them out more if they are already pregnant. YOU want them to carry the burden of pregnancy, so YOU pay.

I pay taxes which help fund planned parenthood so I do help women prevent pregnancy.

Furthermore you're saying I can't expect a woman and a man to care for their child which is ridiculous. That may be your opinion but the law certainly sees it otherwise. There are tons of child neglect laws on the book. The idea that I can't expect men and women to take care of their children unless I personally foot the bill is absurd. What kind of crazy sense of mentality produces such a warped sense of entitlement?

 

[steen]

I pay taxes which help fund planned parenthood so I do help women prevent pregnancy.

Furthermore you're saying I can't expect a woman and a man to care for their child which is ridiculous. That may be your opinion but the law certainly sees it otherwise. There are tons of child neglect laws on the book. The idea that I can't expect men and women to take care of their children unless I personally foot the bill is absurd. What kind of crazy sense of mentality produces such a warped sense of entitlement?

Fascinatingly dishonest claim. I don't see the word "child" ANYWHERE in my post. Could you please avoid such dishonesty in the future, please?

 

[talloulou]

Fascinatingly dishonest claim. I don't see the word "child" ANYWHERE in my post. Could you please avoid such dishonesty in the future, please?

If you can't refrain from such hyperbole as parasitic and enslavement then I see no reason to walk on eggshells when it comes to how I use baby and child.

 

[talloulou]

YOU want them to carry the burden of pregnancy, so YOU pay

What was it you were asking me to pay for here? I assumed it was the child thus my response:

I pay taxes which help fund planned parenthood so I do help women prevent pregnancy. Furthermore you're saying I can't expect a woman and a man to care for their child which is ridiculous. That may be your opinion but the law certainly sees it otherwise. There are tons of child neglect laws on the book. The idea that I can't expect men and women to take care of their children unless I personally foot the bill is absurd. What kind of crazy sense of mentality produces such a warped sense of entitlement?

Then your reply:

Fascinatingly dishonest claim. I don't see the word "child" ANYWHERE in my post. Could you please avoid such dishonesty in the future, please?

I'd avoid dishonesty if I knew what you were referring to. I see no dishonesty in the exchange that took place.

 

[steen]

If you can't refrain from such hyperbole as parasitic and enslavement then I see no reason to walk on eggshells when it comes to how I use baby and child.

Rather, you made a claim about my post relating to "child," when I nowhere had talked about such. Your claim was dishonest. As usual.

 

[steen]

What was it you were asking me to pay for here?

Any cost to the woman relating to the pregnancy and childrearing after you deny her an abortion.

I'd avoid dishonesty if I knew what you were referring to.

My experience with you says otherwise.

I see no dishonesty in the exchange that took place.

You made a claim about my post realting to "child," when I nowhere had talked about a "child." Hence, your argument and claim about my position is dishonest. Of course.

 

[jfuh]

No problem with the picture of tissue. It is the lying narration that always follows. Lies are disgusting. Liars are creep.

I disagree. THe prolifers that tot around carrying the most grotesque images of abortions is very much disturbing for most ppl to stomach. It is very much for the purpose to decieve ppl of the realities of abortions for thier own political agenda.

but obviously, pro-lifers ARE aroused by fetal porn.

Fetal porn? lol That's a bit overboard.

 

[jfuh]

Wow talk about hypocrisy!

I think prolifers use the pictures to combat lies such as the fetus is a parasite, an appendix, or cargo!

Who claimed fetus to be appedixes?