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Hawkins made a statement before her sentencing, stating, “I will accept whatever the punishment may be,” and that “there are no excuses for what I did.”
This is near the ultimate "I dont give a ****", which is undergoing rampant growth as this society breaks down.
You act as if callousness, barbarism and negligence are somehow a new thing.
I get it, your schtick is that "everything is falling apart." And yes, this case is reprehensible. But the reason cases like this are publicized so much is because they're so exceedingly rare, especially as population increases and media attention on everything increases.
Society is not breaking down. If anything, it's stronger than ever.
40 years for a woman who let her kids boil to death while partying
"Boil to death?" Come on. Don't you think that headline is excessively sensationalist?
"Boil to death?" Come on. Don't you think that headline is excessively sensationalist?
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Yeah, I was expecting something much worse, which is saying a lot because what actually happened is already really, REALLY horrible.
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You could quote me in reply if you're going to quote me....
The headline was actually "A woman partied as her kids sat in a hot car. She’ll serve 40 years in prison for their deaths." If there's an exact-title requirement in this forum I suppose I'm about to pick up points. I shortened/paraphrased it.
Anyway, I realized between the first and second reading (shame on me) that it wasn't the mother who rolled up the windows as I first thought. She left them the in car. The dude who decided to crash in the car for the night was the one who then rolled up the windows. I said that in the opening of the post, but I couldn't edit the title (or can I?). It hit/passed 90 degrees within the relevant time frame. If "boil" is objectionable because she didn't literally put them in a boiling pot of liquid, then I'm going to object to hyper-technicality. Fine, she slowly allowed them to bake to death in sauna-like conditions.
"Boil to death?" Come on. Don't you think that headline is excessively sensationalist?
19 year old mother leaves a 1 and 2 year old daughter in a car for 15-18 hours, parties. In the interim, some partying guy enters the car because there isn't space in the party house, sleeps in it, but rolls up the windows. She finds them the next day (it reached 90 degrees outside), doesn't take them to a hospital, they die. She gets 40 years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...s-prison-their-deaths/?utm_term=.710e5e7a1430
You know....
This kind of thing sometimes strikes me as worse than premeditated murder. Some drug dealer shoots another one, at least he's doing it for a reason. He means to do it. He thought about it. They were indeed bad thoughts. But he thought about it. He considered it. That's the justification for it being a harsher penalty in our law. And while I generally agree with the concept, I'm just not sure it makes sense in every situation. She did not care. She did not care about something that important: a creature, a proto-human, utterly helpless. In a way, isn't just not caring even worse than knowing killing is wrong but doing it for monetary (or other) reasons?
In certain circumstances like these, I feel that utter callousness might just be more evil than a deliberate murder. To simply not care......
I cannot imagine doing such a thing. No matter what I did when I was young, I cannot imagine ever doing something like this: to just lock a 1 and 2 year old in a ****ing car and go get high? Seriously? How? This isn't some addict who obeyed heroin's command but ended up overdosing - not that that's a great defense - this is someone who chose to do this while able to stop doing it at any time, didn't, went to sleep, woke up, had a bang, checked on the kids, and then still chose not to take them to a hospital where they could be saved because she might get in trouble. (And yes, I know full well that the addict chooses to 'try' a drug, then keep doing it, then ends up addicted.....but that's a tad different)
I want to be clear: I know perfectly well that she didn't deliberately leave them in the car with the windows up. A murder charge might not be appropriate (at least where I am). But she still did not care what happened during those 15-18 hours. If anyone deserves righteous fury, it's her.
No, there are not. I can perhaps at least take comfort in the likelihood that your children were so young that their brains had not yet developed to the point of understanding that they were a "they" and it was that "they" experiencing the pain, but rather understood only "there is pain." Not that that's all that much better....
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Anyway, this isn't really political so I put it here. Just figured I'd darken your day a bit. Sorry...
Horrible.
I guess there are people who really shouldn't be parents.
But I would fear the government that would have the power to prevent them from doing so.
Thank goodness for the pro-life republicans who allowed this unfit mother to have children - AND THEN MURDER THEM. Well done pro-life republicans!!!!
Thank goodness for the pro-life republicans who allowed this unfit mother to have children - AND THEN MURDER THEM. Well done pro-life republicans!!!!
19 year old mother leaves a 1 and 2 year old daughter in a car for 15-18 hours, parties. In the interim, some partying guy enters the car because there isn't space in the party house, sleeps in it, but rolls up the windows. She finds them the next day (it reached 90 degrees outside), doesn't take them to a hospital, they die. She gets 40 years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...s-prison-their-deaths/?utm_term=.710e5e7a1430
You know....
This kind of thing sometimes strikes me as worse than premeditated murder. Some drug dealer shoots another one, at least he's doing it for a reason. He means to do it. He thought about it. They were indeed bad thoughts. But he thought about it. He considered it. That's the justification for it being a harsher penalty in our law. And while I generally agree with the concept, I'm just not sure it makes sense in every situation. She did not care. She did not care about something that important: a creature, a proto-human, utterly helpless. In a way, isn't just not caring even worse than knowing killing is wrong but doing it for monetary (or other) reasons?
In certain circumstances like these, I feel that utter callousness might just be more evil than a deliberate murder. To simply not care......
I cannot imagine doing such a thing. No matter what I did when I was young, I cannot imagine ever doing something like this: to just lock a 1 and 2 year old in a ****ing car and go get high? Seriously? How? This isn't some addict who obeyed heroin's command but ended up overdosing - not that that's a great defense - this is someone who chose to do this while able to stop doing it at any time, didn't, went to sleep, woke up, had a bang, checked on the kids, and then still chose not to take them to a hospital where they could be saved because she might get in trouble. (And yes, I know full well that the addict chooses to 'try' a drug, then keep doing it, then ends up addicted.....but that's a tad different)
I want to be clear: I know perfectly well that she didn't deliberately leave them in the car with the windows up. A murder charge might not be appropriate (at least where I am). But she still did not care what happened during those 15-18 hours. If anyone deserves righteous fury, it's her.
No, there are not. I can perhaps at least take comfort in the likelihood that your children were so young that their brains had not yet developed to the point of understanding that they were a "they" and it was that "they" experiencing the pain, but rather understood only "there is pain." Not that that's all that much better....
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Anyway, this isn't really political so I put it here. Just figured I'd darken your day a bit. Sorry...
40 years for stupidity. What did the guy get for rolling up the windows?
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You act as if callousness, barbarism and negligence are somehow a new thing.
I get it, your schtick is that "everything is falling apart." And yes, this case is reprehensible. But the reason cases like this are publicized so much is because they're so exceedingly rare, especially as population increases and media attention on everything increases.
Society is not breaking down. If anything, it's stronger than ever.
You could quote me in reply if you're going to quote me....
The headline was actually "A woman partied as her kids sat in a hot car. She’ll serve 40 years in prison for their deaths." If there's an exact-title requirement in this forum I suppose I'm about to pick up points. I shortened/paraphrased it.
Anyway, I realized between the first and second reading (shame on me) that it wasn't the mother who rolled up the windows as I first thought. She left them the in car. The dude who decided to crash in the car for the night was the one who then rolled up the windows. I said that in the opening of the post, but I couldn't edit the title (or can I?). It hit/passed 90 degrees within the relevant time frame. If "boil" is objectionable because she didn't literally put them in a boiling pot of liquid, then I'm going to object to hyper-technicality. Fine, she slowly allowed them to bake to death in sauna-like conditions.
I'm sorry - but this is one of those instances where the death penalty is warranted. I don't care if these 2 infants didn't have developed brains or not. They must have experienced horrific torture while they lay in this excessively heated car.
Did anything happen to the guy that caused the actual death?
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