37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

[oneworld2]

I think we may need to do something about these Roman mass killings

Already on it , have written to the Pope

 

[oneworld2]

I have never spent any time on a British politics board equivalent to DP, but based on what others have said, they don't tend to have Americans complaining about British gun laws. This board, however, seems to have a ton of foreigners whining about our second amendment, I wonder why that is

We don't have Americans commenting on the UK gun laws in debate forums precisely because there are not mass shootings here every week. Why isn't that as obvious to you as it is to me ? Maybe the " foreigners " comment because they think its insane that many Americans seem so obtuse when it comes to the debate on their gun laws and the mass killings that result from them

 

[oneworld2]

what is an assault weapon?

Weapons able to fire large amounts of bullets quickly , you know the ones that mass shooters tend to use

 

[oneworld2]

Are Brits going to turn into vicious murderers if they are given a gun?

A percentage of them would , that's the whole point. Apart from gangs shooting at eachother over here the chances of being the innocent victim of a mass shooting are miniscule to say the least. A lot of knife crime but not too much in the mass stabbings.

So how many murders in mass shootings in the UK compared to the US over say the last 20 years ? Even accounting for the disparity in population

 

[apdst]

A percentage of them would , that's the whole point. Apart from gangs shooting at eachother over here the chances of being the innocent victim of a mass shooting are miniscule to say the least. A lot of knife crime but not too much in the mass stabbings.

So how many murders in mass shootings in the UK compared to the US over say the last 20 years ? Even accounting for the disparity in population

The chances of being raped, or murdered are skyrocketting, though.

 

[apdst]

Weapons able to fire large amounts of bullets quickly , you know the ones that mass shooters tend to use

Like a pump shotgun?

 

[oneworld2]

You're proving the point I've made many times: you aren't interested in saving lives. You're only interested in banning guns.

That's incorrect but the predictable response from people who refuse to accept the correlation between the availability of weapons able to kill large amounts of people quickly and acts where large amounts of people have been killed as a result of that availability

 

[oneworld2]

The chances of being raped, or murdered are skyrocketting, though.

I am not arguing that crime is going up or down , I am arguing that because of the restrictions on guns here mass shooting are rare , extremely rare and because of your lack of them they are commonplace there. That's just a verifiable fact you seem unable to refute in any reasonable way

 

[oneworld2]

Like a pump shotgun?

Here in the UK they aren't allowed to hold more than three cartridges I don't know about in the states

 

[apdst]

I am not arguing that crime is going up or down , I am arguing that because of the restrictions on guns here mass shooting are rare , extremely rare and because of your lack of them they are commonplace there. That's just a verifiable fact you seem unable to refute in any reasonable way

And you're proving my point that you only want to ban guns and don't give two ****s about the safety of your citizens.

 

[apdst]

Here in the UK they aren't allowed to hold more than three cartridges I don't know about in the states

A pump shotgun can fire about 20 rounds a minute. That's a lot, huh?

 

[oneworld2]

And you're proving my point that you only want to ban guns and don't give two ****s about the safety of your citizens.

You keep saying that as if it hurtr me or something :roll:

The fact is that countries that have stronger restrictions on guns have fewer instances of mass shootings. People get raped and stabbed in the US too in large numbers regardless of the gun debate

 

[oneworld2]

A pump shotgun can fire about 20 rounds a minute. That's a lot, huh?

Why would you need that amount of firepower eitherway ?

 

[apdst]

Why would you need that amount of firepower eitherway ?

To be able out gun a bad guy.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You keep saying that as if it hurtr me or something :roll:

The fact is that countries that have stronger restrictions on guns have fewer instances of mass shootings. People get raped and stabbed in the US too in large numbers regardless of the gun debate

Hmm... is the plan to reduce the freedom of all until a specific type of crime is reduced?

 

[TurtleDude]

Weapons able to fire large amounts of bullets quickly , you know the ones that mass shooters tend to use

that means every semi auto on the market and perhaps some pump shotguns and revolvers. mass shooters mainly use pistols. People like you do do a good job in trying to educate nutcases that they should be using AR 15s though

 

[TurtleDude]

We don't have Americans commenting on the UK gun laws in debate forums precisely because there are not mass shootings here every week. Why isn't that as obvious to you as it is to me ? Maybe the " foreigners " comment because they think its insane that many Americans seem so obtuse when it comes to the debate on their gun laws and the mass killings that result from them

I think it is mainly because you are far more dependent on America and what we do, than the other way around.

 

[oneworld2]

Hmm... is the plan to reduce the freedom of all until a specific type of crime is reduced?

That's a fair question and for me the answer is that complete freedom of the individual within any society is both untenable and undesirable. We are a nasty monkey and as such there has to be limits to the level of freedoms we are allowed if the society is going to function in a decent way with practical steps put in place to try to stop seriously unwanted behaviour that negatively impacts the collective group imo

It's not even a plan as such but a recommendation to try to address the ridiculous number of mass shootings we see in the USA compared to other countries and save the lives of countless people killed in them. I said at the beginning that it is ridiculous to me to watch the five minute outpouring of grief and passing sympathy for the victims but listen to the same people do/agree to nothing to try to prevent repeat/copycat acts of mass murder.

Here in Europe we have our own issues with regards to crime and freedom but we don't see anything like the weekly mass shootings going on in the US and the main difference is the restrictions on gun ownership. If those restrictions were ever relaxed/abandoned I would fully expect to see that situation change dramatically , something I don't want to happen here.

I feel for those Americans who do wish to see a day when gun controls in the US are tightened and the likelihood of these types of massacres decreases to the level we see here

 

[oneworld2]

that means every semi auto on the market and perhaps some pump shotguns and revolvers. mass shooters mainly use pistols. People like you do do a good job in trying to educate nutcases that they should be using AR 15s though

They don't need educating by me at all , they will use what they can access

 

[oneworld2]

I think it is mainly because you are far more dependent on America and what we do, than the other way around.

:lamo

 

[oneworld2]

To be able out gun a bad guy.

What don't you get about the criminal feeling the need to carry a gun because he fears the victim will have one ?

 

[ttwtt78640]

We don't have Americans commenting on the UK gun laws in debate forums precisely because there are not mass shootings here every week. Why isn't that as obvious to you as it is to me ? Maybe the " foreigners " comment because they think its insane that many Americans seem so obtuse when it comes to the debate on their gun laws and the mass killings that result from them

The assertion that those who break laws are the target group of "gun control" laws is ridiculous. Criminals (who, by definition, do not obey laws) are the eventual trickle down result once their victim pool has been sufficiently disarmed.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What don't you get about the criminal feeling the need to carry a gun because he fears the victim will have one ?

Hmm... your aim is to reduce the fear that criminals have of their victims?

 

[apdst]

What don't you get about the criminal feeling the need to carry a gun because he fears the victim will have one ?

What don't you get about a law abiding citizen possessing a firearm put him, or her on equal ground with the bad guy? Criminals carry guns, because criminals are bad people. Bad people don't play fair.

A semi-automatic rifle, with a 20-30 round magazine allows a person to defend him, or herself against multiple attackers.

A gun, of any type, can give a 5' tall, 90# woman an advantage over an adult male who is 6'+ and 180#+?

Look, if you want your people to be victims; sheep facing the wolves, that's your business. Here, in The United States, we're smarter than that.

 

[apdst]

Hmm... your aim is to reduce the fear that criminals have of their victims?

Gotta give them crooks a fair chance...lol