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Media reports in Ankara on Wednesday revealed that three out of the four Turkish citizens that were killed during the raid declared their wishes to become shahids (martyrs). Another Dutch report claimed a Dutch activist, who was arrested by the IDF is suspected of being a senior Hamas operative.
3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom' - Israel News, Ynetnews
IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.
IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.
There were likely some useful idiots aboard the ship, in other words, otherwise innocent activists who are sympathetic to the Gazan's cause but who aren't directly affiliated with terrorist groups.
Honestly, you guys need to think outside the propaganda machine here.
How utterly and comically ironic.
I'm shocked and surprised at how reactionary the people on this forum are. This is from Israeli news sources, for petes sake. Do you except them to make an honest assessment of who these people were and what happened aboard that ship?
Honestly, you guys need to think outside the propaganda machine here.
Did Israeli news sources fake this? :30 in.
Gardener, can you stop trolling and actually try and debate this issue?
In the other thread, you made a similar comment, but said nothing of value.
So they deserved to die then, I guess, right?
Link to where I said that?
You claimed that we shouldn't believe this because it came from Israeli news sources. I provided a video showing one of the activists doing exactly what the article said they did.
You just called those who do not support the racist thugs who lynched the Israelis names, intimated that Jews could not be reliable and said that it is those who do not share in your support for these Islamist terrorist supporters who are eating up the propaganda.
Speaking of saying absolutely nothing of value.....
So they deserved to die then, I guess, right?
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These people had the right to defend themselves. I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.Here are your heroes in action.
Fair enough. Do you agree that the killings of these civillians were wrong?
These people had the right to defend themselves. I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.
One has to judge each death individually based on the evidence. Some of the deaths MAY have been unjustified but then again ALL of them may have been justified. I don't know yet and neither do you.
These people had the right to defend themselves. I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.
So they deserved to die then, I guess, right?
Those evil, evil terrorists.
Those terrible human beings who carried no guns and were transporting humanitarian aid to gaza.
10 of them deserved to be shot, right?
Come on. That is exactly the kind of bs that is hurting this world right now. The idea that is ok to slaughter civillians and get away with it. No matter which way you spin it, the fact was that 10 people were killed by the Israelis in international waters, who were intending to give aid to gaza. This is WRONG.
Israeli troops may have had to kill these people for their own sake, but that does not justify them being on the ship in the first place.I think this is where the argument must shift. Once the troops were on the deck, I believe they had no choice but to defend themselves, they were put in a precarious situation, had I been on the deck and faced with all those people, I probably would have opened fire too. If I were the pilot and saw the people on the deck I would have aborted.
I think the argument must shift as to whether it was the right decision to land the troops on the ships? Couldn't the navy have dealt with the situation when they came near the blockade? Why did they have to send these guys in? Especially now as we've discovered there have been no weapons found... where did they get the intelligence that there may have been?
how do you propose to stop terrorists with deadly weapons attacking people
seriously
so you have a clue about reality
True. But Israel had no right to board those ships, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the deaths of these people. Besides, you didn't see any reports of any Israeli soldiers being killed.
I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.
The second issue is whether it is lawful to enforce a legal blockade in international waters. Again, law and practice are clear. If there is no doubt that the offending ships have made a firm determination to break the blockade, then the blockade may be enforced before the offending ships cross the line into domestic waters. Again the United States and other western countries have frequently boarded ships at high sea in order to assure their security.
Fair enough. Do you agree that the killings of these civillians were wrong?
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