2020 Presidential Election night discussion

[Lord of Planar]

Will it?

Will anyone pay attention if it does that?

Will the people rise up and demand recalls or rise up and vote them all out, if, by some odd quirk what you say is found to be true?

You're right.

It won't get past the media bias.

 

[Lursa]

It clearly will show the current elected officials in office now are incompetent, and need replaced.

All of them? There are hundreds.

Wow, you demonstrate the epitome of cultlike belief.

Edit: and you can start with each state's Secretary of State, who over see it and even in our blue state, are frequently Republicans.

 

[LouC]

You're right.

It won't get past the media bias.

Has nothing to do with any alleged media bias.

It has to do with most folks not being ultra focused on such things as some of us and the fact their lives don't center around having long term political memories and at the very least incumbents are almost always in much better shape to retain office than someone new coming along and unseating them. It just is that way.

I used to lay blame on ordinary folks for not paying better attention, but I learned to understand why they don't, it still bothers me and I wish they would pay more attention, but I don't blame them like I used to.

Even with the worst media bias out there and the gobs of BIG and or DARK or CORPORATE money dumped into campaigns it still boils down, as it always has, to what a person takes with them into the polling booth. Despite all the money and influence there is still ways and means for electors to move beyond big money and media influences. Unfortunately I feel most folks don't put in or put out the effort to do that.

 

[Lursa]

It clearly will show the current elected officials in office now are incompetent, and need replaced.

LMAO, apparently, The Donald already did that! After he won in 2016. He appointed VP Pence and the Kansas Secretary of State, Kris Kobach, to co-head a committee searching for illegal voting, voter fraud and voter suppression. They did not find anything.

Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PEIC or PACEI), also called the Voter Fraud Commission, was a Presidential Commission established by Donald Trump that ran from May 11, 2017 to January 3, 2018.[1][2] The Trump administration said the commission would review claims of voter fraud, improper registration, and voter suppression.[3] The establishment of the commission followed through on previous discredited claims by Trump that millions of illegal immigrants had voted in the 2016 United States presidential election, costing him the popular vote.[4] Vice President Mike Pence served as chair of the commission, while Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach served as vice chair and day-to-day administrator."​

Thanks to Trippy Trekker for the heads up.

 

[LouC]

LMAO, apparently, The Donald already did that!

Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PEIC or PACEI), also called the Voter Fraud Commission, was a Presidential Commission established by Donald Trump that ran from May 11, 2017 to January 3, 2018.[1][2] The Trump administration said the commission would review claims of voter fraud, improper registration, and voter suppression.[3] The establishment of the commission followed through on previous discredited claims by Trump that millions of illegal immigrants had voted in the 2016 United States presidential election, costing him the popular vote.[4] Vice President Mike Pence served as chair of the commission, while Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach served as vice chair and day-to-day administrator."​

Righties, some of them anyway, blame Democrats for the total failure of that short lived commission in finding any of what Donny et al alleged they would readily find. It never ceases to amaze me how so many R's talk about Democrats as if they are some all powerful and singular governmental entity and that they have all of this direct and all powerful influence in everything from rigging every election to having the power to have squashed Trump's VFC.

If we Democrats were so all powerful why are there more Republican Senators in Congress and why did so many Republicans retain or take seats in the House and why are there so many damned Republican Governors with Republican controlled State Legislatures?

Too funny.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Has nothing to do with any alleged media bias.

It has to do with most folks not being ultra focused on such things as some of us and the fact their lives don't center around having long term political memories and at the very least incumbents are almost always in much better shape to retain office than someone new coming along and unseating them. It just is that way.

I used to lay blame on ordinary folks for not paying better attention, but I learned to understand why they don't, it still bothers me and I wish they would pay more attention, but I don't blame them like I used to.

Even with the worst media bias out there and the gobs of BIG and or DARK or CORPORATE money dumped into campaigns it still boils down, as it always has, to what a person takes with them into the polling booth. Despite all the money and influence there is still ways and means for electors to move beyond big money and media influences. Unfortunately I feel most folks don't put in or put out the effort to do that.

I'm surprised that you seem to see reality better than most who claim to be liberal, and still call yourself a liberal...

I agree corporate money is a problem. I agree most people don't pay attention to reality. Most people have their own lives to deal with and only see what ever they are bombarded with in the forms of media.

Call it a corporate problem if you wish, but they do it through the media. And the media itself, when not catering to corporate sponsored ads, does most certainly have a bias year round. Not just election time.

 

[Lord of Planar]

LMAO, apparently, The Donald already did that! After he won in 2016. He appointed VP Pence and the Kansas Secretary of State, Kris Kobach, to co-head a committee searching for illegal voting, voter fraud and voter suppression. They did not find anything.

Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PEIC or PACEI), also called the Voter Fraud Commission, was a Presidential Commission established by Donald Trump that ran from May 11, 2017 to January 3, 2018.[1][2] The Trump administration said the commission would review claims of voter fraud, improper registration, and voter suppression.[3] The establishment of the commission followed through on previous discredited claims by Trump that millions of illegal immigrants had voted in the 2016 United States presidential election, costing him the popular vote.[4] Vice President Mike Pence served as chair of the commission, while Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach served as vice chair and day-to-day administrator."​

Thanks to Trippy Trekker for the heads up.

I'm an equal opportunity offender when it comes to career politicians. I can't say I agree with what they have done, but I do appreciate that they show possible way that compromises could have taken place, real or not.

For me, that is valuable.

 

[Lursa]

I'm an equal opportunity offender when it comes to career politicians. I can't say I agree with what they have done, but I do appreciate that they show possible way that compromises could have taken place, real or not.

For me, that is valuable.

If 'no foundation in reality' is valuable to you...have at it.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If 'no foundation in reality' is valuable to you...have at it.

You don't see it, do you.

The allegations may have no proof, but at the same time, there is no way to claim them false either.

If a tree falls in the forests, and nobody is there to see it, did it make a sound?

 

[Lursa]

You don't see it, do you.

The allegations may have no proof, but at the same time, there is no way to claim them false either.

If a tree falls in the forests, and nobody is there to see it, did it make a sound?

And none have held up. The judges are even reacting in anger. And yet, here you are, desperately clinging to what you were told to expect.

I hope you remember this the next time a woman is in the media accusing a man of sexually harassing her. Will her allegations be enough? Or will we see all the same claims from (mostly) the right saying she's just making crap up because she's mad and wants to ruin 'his' life? Because that's how lame your tune is here....yours and all the other sore losers.

 

[Deuce]

You don't see it, do you.

The allegations may have no proof, but at the same time, there is no way to claim them false either.

If a tree falls in the forests, and nobody is there to see it, did it make a sound?

Well, the thing about alleging the biggest crime in US history is that you need to provide some evidence.

I “can’t claim them false?” Yes, I really can. The burden of proof is on the accuser. You’ve supported wild accusations with zero evidence. Courts have thrown this crap out over and over and over again.

Until you show evidence, it’s done. Disproven. Over. Biden won, fair and square. Deal with it.

 

[azgreg]

It doesn't end.... A new development yesterday...

So...

Mostly democrats vote by mail, right?

It seems that the injunction of certification of votes in Pennsylvania will take an interesting twist.

Voting by mail in Pennsylvania (Act 77) is apparently in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution. This would mean that all mail in ballots, except for acceptable absentee ballots, are invalid.

How many invalid net votes would be democrat?

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Kelly-v.-Pennsylvania-Injunction-Halting-Certification-Memorandum-Opinion-Filed-11-27-2020.pdf

Try again trumper.

 

[Threegoofs]

Maybe you're correct. Maybe you're not. Time will tell.

You cannot...and I’ll try to type this slowly for you...CHANGE ELECTION LAW AFTER THE VOTING.

It’s absurd that you think a judge would, or should, nullify millions of votes because of, basically, a technicality.

The time to bring this suit was before the election.

 

[Threegoofs]

It clearly will show the current elected officials in office now are incompetent, and need replaced.

The GOP legislators were almost unanimous in supporting the bill, but we know GOP almost stands for incompetence these days...

 

[LouC]

I'm surprised that you seem to see reality better than most who claim to be liberal, and still call yourself a liberal...

I agree corporate money is a problem. I agree most people don't pay attention to reality. Most people have their own lives to deal with and only see what ever they are bombarded with in the forms of media.

Call it a corporate problem if you wish, but they do it through the media. And the media itself, when not catering to corporate sponsored ads, does most certainly have a bias year round. Not just election time.

I never called myself a Liberal until I was LEFT out of the Republican Party.

I have always taken pride in seeing reality or trying to even when things are cloudy or out of focus.

I turned 18 and old enough to vote on March 2, 1975, the first thing I did was register for the Selective Service then register to vote, as a Republican and I held Fiscal Conservative beliefs back then and still do.

I only switched parties in April of 2017 after I had been thoroughly trashed and essentially tossed out of the Republican Party, especially when they fully embraced Trump; the final straw was the New Years Eve Tweet of president elect Donald Trump.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

In the U.K. many people see Biden as an IRA supporting ****.

No, he's China all the way, the same as big tech.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

LMAO, and you ignore this? Tirades and stumbling explanations that make no sense...this is just one example of many.

"It's disgraceful. I'm going to maybe — and I'm looking at it very seriously, we're doing some other things that you probably noticed, like some of the very important things that we're doing now. But we're looking at it very seriously because you can't do that."​

Donald Trump​

And you think that compares to the three videos of Joe Biden's obvious dementia?

We could put up Obama and Bush gaffes also but they aren't consistent and no one was talking dementia, but it's apparent that Biden is affected. Even his wife has to play Edgar Bergen to his Charley McCarthy, having to remind him of Donald Trump's name.

This was really the best the Democrats had to offer, huh?

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

You meant to say Trump cult right wingnuts, not leftists. Surprised you people want to play this game again, but I'll take my turn, WTF? And keep in mind, Trump has not had a stuttering condition since he was a child, and Trump has no ability to think or reason.

I can post many, many more examples, but you would still ignore the obvious mental problems of your candidate Trump, and I would crash this site.

None of that is as serious as Joe Biden's illness. All politicians and public speakers, even the most professional, make errors while speaking but Joe's problems are obviously mental.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Righties, some of them anyway, blame Democrats for the total failure of that short lived commission in finding any of what Donny et al alleged they would readily find. It never ceases to amaze me how so many R's talk about Democrats as if they are some all powerful and singular governmental entity and that they have all of this direct and all powerful influence in everything from rigging every election to having the power to have squashed Trump's VFC.

If we Democrats were so all powerful why are there more Republican Senators in Congress and why did so many Republicans retain or take seats in the House and why are there so many damned Republican Governors with Republican controlled State Legislatures?

Too funny.

The Democrats were concentrating on the Presidency and couldn't spread themselves too thinly. Had the election not been mail in Trump would have won.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Hey, and this might be crazy, but maybe Trump actually lost.

 

[azgreg]

 

[BrotherFease]

I never called myself a Liberal until I was LEFT out of the Republican Party.

I have always taken pride in seeing reality or trying to even when things are cloudy or out of focus.

I turned 18 and old enough to vote on March 2, 1975, the first thing I did was register for the Selective Service then register to vote, as a Republican and I held Fiscal Conservative beliefs back then and still do.

I only switched parties in April of 2017 after I had been thoroughly trashed and essentially tossed out of the Republican Party, especially when they fully embraced Trump; the final straw was the New Years Eve Tweet of president elect Donald Trump.

This is true for a lot of Republicans and conservatives. I used to be a typical Republican voter, but saw the light when the party embraced Trumpism and his behavior.

I see myself as Dick Cheney/Christian Bale in the clip below, and the GOP as Steve Carell/Donald Rumsfeld.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

This is true for a lot of Republicans and conservatives. I used to be a typical Republican voter, but saw the light when the party embraced Trumpism and his behavior.

I see myself as Dick Cheney/Christian Bale in the clip below, and the GOP as Steve Carell/Donald Rumsfeld.

They embraced his policies. Everything else is a distant second.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

You may enjoy the first few minutes of this youtube video.

 

[BrotherFease]

They embraced his policies. Everything else is a distant second.

Which are just as problematic.