2012 Democratic National Convention, Sept 3-6, Dicussion Thread

[j-mac]

Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech

Ok, so I watched the speech last night....Y>A>W>N!!!!! I couldn't help thinking that I had heard it all before...And I had....In '08! :lamo

That's it? That's all the smartest man ever to grace the earth has to offer? Stale speeches, and vitriol?

From the left....

Let’s be blunt. Barack Obama gave a dull and pedestrian speech tonight, with nary an interesting thematic device, policy detail, or even one turn of phrase. The crowd sure didn’t see it my way. The delegates were near delirium; to what extent they were merely still feeding off the amassed energy of the previous two nights I can’t say.

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And swing voters watching at home? They probably weren’t as bored as I was, but it seems inconceivable that they’d have been enraptured. This was the rhetorical equivalent, forgive the football metaphor, of running out the clock: Obama clearly thinks he’s ahead and just doesn’t need to make mistakes. But when football teams do that, it often turns out to be the biggest mistake of all, and they lose.

Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech - The Daily Beast

From the right....

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I was stunned. This is a man who gave one of the great speeches of our time in 2004, and he gave one of the emptiest speeches I have ever heard on a national stage. Yes, it had cadence, and yes, there were deceptions in it, but that is not what is so striking about it. There was nothing in it. This is a man who believes that government can and should do a lot. There is nothing in here that tells us how he's going to go from today to tomorrow. For any of the so called goals and what government is going to do, what is he going to enact?

At least Romney had a five point plan. What we heard from Obama was a vision. And he pulls numbers out of a hat. 100,000 new math and science teachers. 600,000 more people working in natural gas. Two million more trainees, and he doesn't say how we get from A to B. It's a vision. I have a vision of an America where there is no disease and everybody has a private airplane, but unless I tell you how we get there, I’ve said nothing. And what is so surprising, is that - all he had left - he can't speak about his record on the economy, and it's not a good one. As we heard, he didn't speak about achievements, the one that's liberals like, ObamaCare, stimulus and etc… they're unpopular.

Krauthammer On Obama: "One Of The Emptiest Speeches I Have Ever Heard" | RealClearPolitics

Libs must be so frightened about now....

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech

Yeah...I watched it and one thing I noticed when the camera panned the delegates was quite a few times when even THEY seemed bored.

 

[roughdraft274]

Re: Bill Clinton rips the GOP and sounded great doing it.

Yep and there weren't any to be found within Clinton's long boring speech

Aww, it's ok. Did Clinton hurt your feelings?

Go read the fact checking analysis on Clintons speech and then go read it on Ryan's, lol. Hell, go read anything at all.

 

[Your Star]

Re: Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech

I thought it was a great speech, much more inspired than Romney's.

 

[Hairytic]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

Amazing.

With Obama Surrogates up is down, down is up ....destroying is saving .....losing is winning....

Re example in your blurp: Robbing Medicare, thus destroying Medicare to pay for Obamcare does NOT strengthen Medicare.

Ryancare: Taking money in Medicare from a profitable section, and placing those funds into a Medicare Trust Fund for future use to shore up another weaker section makes Medicare stronger.

Every poll, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, on ALL the IMPORTANT facets of our Economy shows that we are now worse off than when we were when Obama took office ....... FYI: "WORSE OFF" DOES NOT MEAN "BETTER OFF".

Let me explain this to you more emphatically: If you are LOSING that does not mean you are "WINNING" !!!

"GEDDIT ?????

Sigh.

No.

And, you never will.

Here are the facts

CNN Fact Check: Would Romney bankrupt Medicare by 2016? - CNN.com
The Part A fund's overseers -- the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- said back in 2009, before the Affordable Care Act passed, that the banked money used to make up the difference between income (such as taxes) and expenses for Part A would be depleted in 2017.

But then the Affordable Care Act passed. The trustees reported that the act's lower expenditures (cutting rates to providers) and increased revenues (a payroll tax hike for wealthier people in 2013) "improves the financial outlook for Medicare substantially."

The trustees reported in 2010 that health care reform would delay the Part A trust fund's insolvency until 2029. By 2011, the trustees moved that insolvency estimate back to 2024.

By that date, the trust fund would be depleted. But that doesn't mean the Medicare Part A program would collapse. Revenues would be able to pay for most of the costs. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which administers the program, said this year: "Projected (trust fund) revenue would be adequate to cover 87% of estimated expenditures in 2024 and 67% of projected costs in 2050."
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Romney calls for repealing the Affordable Care Act. He also wants to set up a "premium support system" for Medicare, meaning seniors would get vouchers to buy coverage from either private insurance providers or a government-run Medicare insurance plan.
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Paul Van de Water, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, told CNN on Thursday that repealing the health care reform law would, by itself, return the insolvency date of the Part A trust fund to 2016.

 

[roughdraft274]

Re: Bill Clinton rips the GOP and sounded great doing it.

Ok perhaps this praising of Romney by Clinton will be sufficient

So what you're saying is that I can't say anything nice about Romney what so ever or else that means that I hate Obama and am supporting Romney?

You know how stupid you sound right now? This isn't complicated.

 

[Zyphlin]

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[jonny5]

Re: Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech

I dont understand the fascination with speeches. A guy says a bunch of words to a bought audience, makes a bunch of promises and rhetoric. And this is supposed to mean something to us? What Obama or Romney says means nothing. What they did, and what they will do is what matters.

 

[Conservative]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

What promise did Obama break? I don't care about liberals or conservatives. What I do know is Obama'a plan strengthened Medicare for 16 more years. Romney/Ryan plan will have Medicare bankrupt in 8 years. I trust Obama/Biden to find solutions to fix medicare for good. I trust Romney/Ryan wans to end medicare and replace it with a voucher program. Those are my choices, so I am going with Obama/Biden.

What you know is what you have been told. How do you know Medicare has been strengthened? Where are the specifics? Do you believe doctors and hospitals dropping Medicare makes it stronger? Keep spreading the leftwing lies all in an attempt to re-elect the empty suit

 

[Hairytic]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

What you know is what you have been told. How do you know Medicare has been strengthened? Where are the specifics? Do you believe doctors and hospitals dropping Medicare makes it stronger? Keep spreading the leftwing lies all in an attempt to re-elect the empty suit

CNN Fact Check: Would Romney bankrupt Medicare by 2016? - CNN.com

The Part A fund's overseers -- the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- said back in 2009, before the Affordable Care Act passed, that the banked money used to make up the difference between income (such as taxes) and expenses for Part A would be depleted in 2017.

But then the Affordable Care Act passed. The trustees reported that the act's lower expenditures (cutting rates to providers) and increased revenues (a payroll tax hike for wealthier people in 2013) "improves the financial outlook for Medicare substantially."

The trustees reported in 2010 that health care reform would delay the Part A trust fund's insolvency until 2029. By 2011, the trustees moved that insolvency estimate back to 2024.



Thats how I know

 

[Conservative]

As we have solidly established in our debate, Obama actually has an exceptionally strong record.

But, even putting that aside, we are loyal to the approach of the Democrats because it has been proven to work over and over and over. The economy has always performed far better when you invest in society than when you don't. On top of that, morally, it is clearly the superior position. Helping those in need is the most sacred, fundamental, moral duty of a human being and the Democratic party is heavily focused on that and always has been. But maybe more fundamental than even either of those things, we see that the Democratic party continues to embrace reason and fact. It's policies are driven by studies and evidence and analysis. Whenever you study any policy topic in enough depth to really understand it, the right solution becomes clear, and that solution is always the one that Democrats are fighting for. They didn't just pick a handful of positions and sit around defending them because that's what they think they're supposed to do, they worked out the right approaches to problems by relying on the best minds in the fields and they've been doing that for generations. And over time, as the smarted thinkers' positions evolve and the circumstances change, the Democratic party reliably shifts with it. That is why the most educated people are so heavily Democratic. They know enough about whatever area they study to see that the Democrats got it right.

That doesn't seem to be the case with the Republicans. The Republicans appear to be of the belief that some set of positions was carried down to them from the mountain top and they place faith in the wisdom of those positions come hell or high water. They do not rely on experts or studies or evidence. When the evidence or our experience as a country runs counter to the positions they took, they just ignore it or dismiss it as a conspiracy. When 98% of climatologists say that we need to cut greenhouse gas emissions, they stall. When 30 years of trickle down economics collapse the economy of the world, they insist that we continue on that path. They are not tied to reason or fact in a way that makes for acceptable policy making and that makes us extremely uncomfortable.

So what you support is a large government central economy which circumvents the State govt. I would have thought someone from the bankrupt state of California wouldn't want that problem in the nation but apparently not the case. It isn't the government's role to "invest" money so where did you get that from?

 

[Conservative]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

CNN Fact Check: Would Romney bankrupt Medicare by 2016? - CNN.com

The Part A fund's overseers -- the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- said back in 2009, before the Affordable Care Act passed, that the banked money used to make up the difference between income (such as taxes) and expenses for Part A would be depleted in 2017.

But then the Affordable Care Act passed. The trustees reported that the act's lower expenditures (cutting rates to providers) and increased revenues (a payroll tax hike for wealthier people in 2013) "improves the financial outlook for Medicare substantially."

The trustees reported in 2010 that health care reform would delay the Part A trust fund's insolvency until 2029. By 2011, the trustees moved that insolvency estimate back to 2024.



Thats how I know

So you have no problem cutting Medicare? So you know becaue you buy what you are told. When you turn 65 let me know how you like losing your doctor and local hospital. You just don't get it and continue to buy what you are told. Let me know when any prediction from this Administration has been accurate?

By the way, did you enjoy the unemployment numbers this morning? All that enthusiasm this week from Democrats and now we find the labor participation rate is the lowest probably in history. So the drop in the labor force is a liberal dream. Your ideology is a compete disaster and built on a myth

 

[Arbo]

Re: Bill Clinton rips the GOP and sounded great doing it.

People join the military for all kinds of reasons and but the main reasons are to get a paycheck and an education. I don't have a problem with it until they show their ingratitude and demand respect they didn't earn. I work hard all year and three months of it goes to taxes that support ingrates so they can get an education and say stupid things like the OP did. Like I said, he should be thanking the tax payers and the government instead of spitting in our faces for giving him a chance in life that he wouldn't have had otherwise.

Ah, I love it when the left shows their real feelings about the military... it cuts right through all the platitudes we just heard from the President and get's down to reality.

Thanks, a second time.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Obama: A Pedestrian and Overconfident Speech

Ok, so I watched the speech last night....Y>A>W>N!!!!! I couldn't help thinking that I had heard it all before...And I had....In '08! :lamo

That's it? That's all the smartest man ever to grace the earth has to offer? Stale speeches, and vitriol?

From the left....



From the right....



Libs must be so frightened about now....

As has been reported, Obama probably got a sneak preview of the unemployment numbers today which were a disaster unless you think a record low labor participation rate and hundreds of thousands dropping out of the labor force is a good thing.

Liberals will continue to buy the rhetoric and conservatives will continue to point out the record. Gee, wonder which one will win in Nov, rhetoric or substance?

 

[joko104]

Re: Bill Clinton rips the GOP and sounded great doing it.

While Bill Clinton gave the best speech I've ever heard without teleprompter and largely off the cuff, President Obama's speech was of hollow slogans and poorly animiated teleprompter reading.

 

[Zyphlin]

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[Fiddytree]

Re: Bill Clinton rips the GOP and sounded great doing it.

People join the military for all kinds of reasons and but the main reasons are to get a paycheck and an education. I don't have a problem with it until they show their ingratitude and demand respect they didn't earn. I work hard all year and three months of it goes to taxes that support ingrates so they can get an education and say stupid things like the OP did. Like I said, he should be thanking the tax payers and the government instead of spitting in our faces for giving him a chance in life that he wouldn't have had otherwise.

Your paycheck versus their lives. Hmmmm....I think the greater edge goes to those that risk their lives. Talk about ingrates. We should be happy it's a volunteer service now instead of lottery number.

 

[Conservative]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

CNN Fact Check: Would Romney bankrupt Medicare by 2016? - CNN.com

The Part A fund's overseers -- the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds -- said back in 2009, before the Affordable Care Act passed, that the banked money used to make up the difference between income (such as taxes) and expenses for Part A would be depleted in 2017.

But then the Affordable Care Act passed. The trustees reported that the act's lower expenditures (cutting rates to providers) and increased revenues (a payroll tax hike for wealthier people in 2013) "improves the financial outlook for Medicare substantially."

The trustees reported in 2010 that health care reform would delay the Part A trust fund's insolvency until 2029. By 2011, the trustees moved that insolvency estimate back to 2024.



Thats how I know

There is absolutely nothing that is going to change your mind including actual data and facts. Predictions that support your point of view are more important. Based upon you and others Mt.Rushmore should be getting ready for another President, one with the worst economic record in modern history.

What you don't seem to understand is that Obama cuts in Medicare has generated fewer doctors and hospitals to service Medicare and that is going to drive up costs. Where are the seniors going to get their care when their doctor drops the program? Do you ever think instead of just posting articles that you believe supports your point of view?

What you fail to understand is this is a preview of Obamacare, more people, fewer doctors, higher ER usage, higher costs

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: Sandra Fluke speech was amazing!

And once again the core difference between the right and left is illustrated for us by Zyphlin and Redress.

Huh?

I'm confused.

Someone mentioned a woman named Kamala speaking at the convention. I know Redress is a wrestling fan. There was a big 80's gimmicky wrestler named Kamala. Since me and Redress had been butting heads and I know they're having a rough go, I took the political Kamala reference to make a wrestling reference to make Redress smile a bit.

I have a feeling you're reading wayyyy to much into it.

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Sandra Fluke speech was amazing!

Huh?

I'm confused.

Someone mentioned a woman named Kamala speaking at the convention. I know Redress is a wrestling fan. There was a big 80's gimmicky wrestler named Kamala. Since me and Redress had been butting heads and I know they're having a rough go, I took the political Kamala reference to make a wrestling reference to make Redress smile a bit.

I have a feeling you're reading wayyyy to much into it.

Speaking of which, didn't I see Ric Flair around the DNC? I just saw a blip on Fox and Friends, and I was like, "woooOOO"

 

[joko104]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

There is absolutely nothing that is going to change your mind including actual data and facts. Predictions that support your point of view are more important. Based upon you and others Mt.Rushmore should be getting ready for another President, one with the worst economic record in modern history.

What you don't seem to understand is that Obama cuts in Medicare has generated fewer doctors and hospitals to service Medicare and that is going to drive up costs. Where are the seniors going to get their care when their doctor drops the program? Do you ever think instead of just posting articles that you believe supports your point of view?

What you fail to understand is this is a preview of Obamacare, more people, fewer doctors, higher ER usage, higher costs

Increasing numbers of doctors refuse to accept medicare because it requires so much paperwork, so much delays paying and then refuses to pay the full bill. Doctors do not know how much of a bill is going to be paid, if any, usually for many months.

 

[Conservative]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

Increasing numbers of doctors refuse to accept medicare because it requires so much paperwork, so much delays paying and then refuses to pay the full bill. Doctors do not know how much of a bill is going to be paid, if any, usually for many months.

Exactly and that is why they are dropping the program which will impact millions of seniors. The Democratic Convention just turned from euphoria to one of a disaster with today's jobs' report

 

[Hairytic]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

So you have no problem cutting Medicare? So you know becaue you buy what you are told. When you turn 65 let me know how you like losing your doctor and local hospital. You just don't get it and continue to buy what you are told. Let me know when any prediction from this Administration has been accurate?

By the way, did you enjoy the unemployment numbers this morning? All that enthusiasm this week from Democrats and now we find the labor participation rate is the lowest probably in history. So the drop in the labor force is a liberal dream. Your ideology is a compete disaster and built on a myth

There is no evidence that Hospitals will stop taking medicare. Also, I am currently on Medicare, and my doctor has no problem with the AHA. Ryan would want to give me a voucher and push me out there to the insurance companies, which once Romnay apeals AHA, I wouldn't get health insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
The economy picking up and my husband, a small business owner, is looking at hiring more people because he is seeing an increase in work orders. Currently, my husband has been working 70 hours a week for the last several months because work is picking up. The outlook is improving. We see the impact.

 

[Redress]

Moderator's Warning:

Thread unstuck, convention over

 

[hazlnut]

Re: The story of Zoe. The importance of affordable healthcare.

Exactly and that is why they are dropping the program which will impact millions of seniors. The Democratic Convention just turned from euphoria to one of a disaster with today's jobs' report

You can thank the House GOP for that job report. Their plan was to run the country into the ground in order to win back the WH.

THEY BET AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.... and they are losing.