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2 issues in the Atlanta shooting

Yep, and one of those occupied vehicles was hit by a pistol round fired by the police officer.
Which I have a larger issue with then than them simply shooting him when he did have a weapon because it means they did not do the proper assessment of the area.

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Was there evidence of alcohol in his vehicle? Open/empty bottles, cans? Cctv could also show if he left his vehicle. But that all is not nearly as likely as he drove drunk to the drivethru so would only be evidence to exonerate him, either before or after charges, not from an arrest.

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We do not know, ether way!
 
Yes. No knives were used here though were there? No, only a fleeing suspect, posing no threat to anyone at the point when he was killed by an angry, out of control cop, pissed off because he had been overcome, and who has a record of reprimands for use of excessive force; one time with a gun.

Ex-cop Garrett Rolfe had previously been reprimanded for use of force
The response was in counter to your claim that tasers were not built to kill. Something does not have to be built to kill to be a deadly weapon, even if the intent on using it was only to slow someone down.

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Why he was fired has no real bearing on whether the shooting was justified. He was fired due mainly to politics, not a thorough investigation.

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It may have a bearing if he sues the city!
 
You are wrong. The police guidelines do not consider a taser a killing weapon. If they did, they would not use it regularly to stop people and protesters.
Have other guidelines or court cases considered tasers a killing weapon?

They are less than lethal weapons with the understanding that in most cases, when used by a trained person and properly, they will not kill (even then there are exceptions). However, the potential to kill is there and increases when used by an untrained person and/or used improperly.

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No argument from me on this. Does that excuse his killing?
His killing was due mainly to his actions. Whether they were justified will likely come down to a DA and possibly a hearing, but will almost certainly (chance is still there however) to an acquittal because of the circumstances.

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What evidence exists that he was intoxicated when he arrived at the parking lot?
The point is that they cannot prove that he was driving on the public road intoxicated, because they did not observe him doing so.
In Georgia, because of the way the law is written, they did have every right to arrest him,
in other states, the fact that he was on private property, means the arrest would have been for public intoxicated, not DUI.
You are wrong. In most states, he could have been arrested because it was still publicly accessible private property, which is covered under DUI laws. Few states have DUI laws only apply to public roads alone.

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I am not saying the Police did not have the right to arrest him, but pointing out that what can be proven
about when he consumed the alcohol, is limited. His BAC could have still been rising if he had taken a drink just after entering the drive through.
The fact is, what we know is very limited, we can assume all sorts of things, but those assumptions are not facts.
What do we actually know?
Rayshard Brooks was intoxicated, and found asleep in a drive through line.
Police found probable cause to arrest him!
Brooks resisted arrest, fought with the officers, took one of their tasers, and while running off, pointed the taser at the officer.
In the one to two seconds, the officer, fearing for his safety, shifted the flash light to his left hand, drew his gun and fired.
The officers use of force in my mind is justified, and I think it meets the criteria under Georgia law.
Police are not required to prove anything except there was reasonable cause for the arrest, which is a lower standard than the court standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, proof. They had sufficient reasonable cause for an arrest.

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I am not arguing that the police did not have the cause to arrest him, they did.
Then he had no right to resist arrest.

And yes you had been arguing they shouldnt have arrested him.

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We do not know, ether way!
So we cannot assume he was drinking in the drivethru lane or on their property rather than having driven to their intoxicated.

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Cops live in fear. Blacks live in fear. Poor people live in fear. details vary but results are often a greek tragedy when those groups come into contact with each other.

There is nothing to be afraid of when someone is running away from you
 
You are wrong. In most states, he could have been arrested because it was still publicly accessible private property, which is covered under DUI laws. Few states have DUI laws only apply to public roads alone.

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In any state, they could have arrested him, perhaps not for DUI, but certainly for Public intoxication.
They had plenty of grounds to arrest him!
 
No he wasnt. This is complete garbage. He was armed with the taser.

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Apparently the point sailed right over your head
 
Police are not required to prove anything except there was reasonable cause for the arrest, which is a lower standard than the court standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, proof. They had sufficient reasonable cause for an arrest.

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We agree that they had cause to arrest him!
 
Had he been tazes and Brooks taken the gun could have killed both.

It is clearly justified.

Brooks was armed with a taser and two police service pistols when shot. Perfectly justified

What should be changed is Garner v Tennessee

Do you make this **** up as you go along. Lying is not going to work this time. Those policemen are toast. Black Lives Matter
 
Why he was fired has no real bearing on whether the shooting was justified. He was fired due mainly to politics, not a thorough investigation.

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The cop's firing has everything to do with the justification of the shooting. The shooting was unjustified. Hence, he was fired. And then the cop picks up his ****ing shells instead of tending to the man he just mortally wounded.

Only racists feel that the shooting was justified. Only racists are playing politics here. It's that simple.
 

You are a lost case. How you can take this report and turn it into your debasing statements is beyond my comprehension. I am truly ashamed that you are a veteran.

In looking at the rap sheet, he shows 2 occasions where he ran into problems

1) 3/02/2013 where he was convicted of stealing.
2) 3/31/2014 where evidently someone (wife, child, girlfriend - not known) put in a complaint against him. Nonetheless, he was not convicted of anything. I don't think there are many of us that have not had someone in our lives complain about us for some action we took. It is commonplace.

He served time for stealing but was not convicted of anything in the second one.

and you have the audacity to debase this person so cruelly? This kind of a rap sheet actually almost makes him a saint against the population that have had a run against the law in some way or other.


Shame on you!
 
It will be interesting to see how the City handles the earlier case of firing the two cops for discharging their tasers. They are in part, using the claim that a taser can be deemed use of lethal force as the reason for letting them go. Had this shooting not occurred, I think they would have moved to do that to satisfy the mob. To continue to do that now gives this officer's defense team a slam dunk acquittal.
I think the days of cops killing black people and getting away with it are gone. These cops are toast
 
Then he had no right to resist arrest.

And yes you had been arguing they shouldnt have arrested him.

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Resisting arrest is not grounds for killing someone, especially when the dude was running away and was no threat to the police.

These conversations are irrelevant deflections, generated by racists.
 
He was not fleeing. You can’t lie or gaslight this one, it was on video.

One is not fleeing when they are operating a weapon at someone. That is not retreat, it is a repositioning.

You are creating make believe arguments to justify railroading a cop.

Drunk driving and assault laws apply to black people equally, why are you insisting on treating blacks differently?

He got shot in the back. So how was he not fleeing
 
He was within 15 feet of two guns and was attempting to immobilize the people holding them, he was thus armed with those guns

That is the most idiotic justification I have ever heard
 
Cops live in fear. Blacks live in fear. Poor people live in fear. details vary but results are often a greek tragedy when those groups come into contact with each other.

Tyrants live in fear. The oppressed live in fear. Details vary but the results are often a Greek tragedy when those groups come in contact with each other.


I love the passive way that you put this. It's like when my son knocks over his glass and it shatters all over the floor, he says, "the glass fell"... Like it's somehow the glass's fault that it fell.
 
No. APD protocol regarding the use of deadly force says officer must be in danger of his life (was not because suspect was running away), and also the suspect had to be armed with a deadly weapon (which he was not).
1. Policy is not law.
2. Policy allows for less than danger to life. You already knew this but posted the above stupid nonsense anyways. :doh

The attachment regarding policy which you provided in another thread, and proves your claim to be inaccurate and thus wrong.

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Protocol of shooting is only when the officers life is in risk and in this case, it wasn't.
1. That is not what "protocol" says. (see above image)
2. Policy/protocol/SOP & State law in regards to use of deadly force is based in the SCOTUS ruling of Tennessee v. Garner.


A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.
— Justice Byron White,
Tennessee v. Garner


Georgia's Law.

Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-3-21

a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death [highlight]or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person[/highlight] or [highlight]to prevent the commission of a forcible felony[/highlight].

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Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-3-21

The highlighted portions above are what are operative here.

While one could argue that a taser can inflict great bodily injury because they can cause death, etc... , we do not have to as we can rely on the lesser standard of "forcible felony".




Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-1-3


As used in this title, the term:

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(6) “Forcible felony” means any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any person.

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Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-1-3

Tasers can be used multiple times.
In this case, that specific taser (Taser 7 by Axon) comes loaded with two cartridges and can also be used as a contact stunner (drive stun).
Brooks had already established that he would use it, so firing to prevent him from using it again was justified.
 
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