18 U.S. Code § 2101 - Riots

[W_Heisenberg]

no it did not, he said he will march down pennselvania ave, not storm the capital

He did not specifically say storm and ransack the Capitol, but what he said, in its entirety, was bad enough.

The rioters took him both figuratively and literally.

Read his speech:

Donald Trump "Save America" Speech January 6 | Transcripts

Donald Trump spoke at a "Save America" rally in Washington, D.C. on January 6 before Congress was set to confirm the election results. "We will never concede," he said. Read the transcript of his speech remarks here.

www.rev.com

 

[Fletch]

18 U.S. Code § 2101 - Riots

www.law.cornell.edu

(a)Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign
commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent—
(1)
to incite a riot; or
(2)
to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3)
to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4)
to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;
and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— [1]
Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out for both Trump & the rioters.

There has been rioting in our streets all summer and only now do you care.

 

[Fletch]

They weren't specific, yes. But that doesn't mean they didn't encourage this.

What happened is the inevitable outcome of Trump's encouragement of deranged conspiracy theories. Trump told them to march on Capitol Hill. Trump allies like Rudy suggested "trial by combat."

This won't end today. One of the Trump lunatics is going to end up trying to kill Biden.

Trump supporters need to grow the hell up and accept the results of the election and stop being little whiny sniveling crybaby bitches about it.,

Says the guy whose entire party has been 'little whiny sniveling crybaby bitches' about the 2016 election for 4 years and counting.

 

[Fletch]

Yes, he incited violence. What happened yesterday was the inevitable consequence of Trump's words, and it won't end. It will continue.

Totally false. There was nothing about his rhetoric that was any different from that of liberals who have spoken to angry mobs at the capital for years. Besides, he had no way of knowing that his supporters would engage in violence, destruction and attacks on police like democrats. He was as surprised as anyone else.

 

[calamity]

Totally false. There was nothing about his rhetoric that was any different from that of liberals...

When lies are all you got, it might be time to figure out why you can't tell the truth.

 

[JacksinPA]

That would be an interesting focus which would have to ignore Giuliani's "trial by combat" comment at the rally before the protestors went to the US Capitol.

I agree. Juliani & his son were stirring the pot of keyed-up violence.

It's difficult to believe that this is our President & how awful he has let us all down.

 

[JacksinPA]

He did not specifically say storm and ransack the Capitol, but what he said, in its entirety, was bad enough.

The rioters took him both figuratively and literally.

Read his speech:

Donald Trump "Save America" Speech January 6 | Transcripts

Donald Trump spoke at a "Save America" rally in Washington, D.C. on January 6 before Congress was set to confirm the election results. "We will never concede," he said. Read the transcript of his speech remarks here.

www.rev.com

The rioters were there to do what they did. A rabble with no organization was bound to fail but they caused a lot of damage & turmoil.

They had members who were armed & who used those guns, and a guy with 11 Molotov cocktails. It's not hard to figure out what these guys came for: violence. & destruction.

 

[Fletch]

The rioters were there to do what they did. A rabble with no organization was bound to fail but they caused a lot of damage & turmoil.

They had members who were armed & who used those guns, and a guy with 11 Molotov cocktails. It's not hard to figure out what these guys came for: violence. & destruction.

So according to you, the troublemakers came prepared to make trouble and thus were NOT incited by Trumps speech. There goes impeachment

 

[The Mark]

why di you ignore that he said to go home or be peaceful?

Does that count when he said it only after shit had gone down? Before that he was telling them to show up.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

18 U.S. Code § 2101 - Riots

www.law.cornell.edu

(a)Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign
commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent—
(1)
to incite a riot; or
(2)
to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3)
to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4)
to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;
and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— [1]
Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out for both Trump & the rioters.

Insurrection applies more:

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

As well as Sedition:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

You know if a cult leader or hate group leader did what Trump did and a mob descended on the capital, violently forced their way in, and deaths resulted, that cult leader would be in federal custody right now, they would be denied bail, they would be tried, and convicted, and they would spend the rest of their life in a 4x8 foot cell in a Federal Supermax facility where they would be fed through a slot and spend 20 minutes outside a day in a 12x20 foot cage.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So according to you, the troublemakers came prepared to make trouble and thus were NOT incited by Trumps speech. There goes impeachment

Yeah, because Trump did not engage in any other incitement over the last 2 months... Some of ya'll are just hopeless.

What Jack PA is wrong about is that anyone that did what Trump did would not be charged with inciting a riot, they would at minimum be charged with Sedition and inciting Insurrection. The fact is, any private citizen that did what Trump did would spend the rest of their life in a Federal Supermax facility.

 

[JacksinPA]

Yeah, because Trump did not engage in any other incitement over the last 2 months... Some of ya'll are just hopeless.

What Jack PA is wrong about is that anyone that did what Trump did would not be charged with inciting a riot, they would at minimum be charged with Sedition and inciting Insurrection. The fact is, any private citizen that did what Trump did would spend the rest of their life in a Federal Supermax facility.

I only cut & pasted a page from a law school. I have my opinions but I'm not going to debate it.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Does that count when he said it only after shit had gone down? Before that he was telling them to show up.

Not only that, he called those that were doing their job evil and professed his love to the seditious insurrectionists that had violently occupied our nation's capital.

 

[The Mark]

Not only that, he called those that were doing their job evil and professed his love to the seditious insurrectionists that had violently occupied our nation's capital.

Some of whom were planning to lynch VP Pence.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

There has been rioting in our streets all summer and only now do you care.

What riots were in the name of Joe Biden? When did Joe Biden go before a violent mob of lunatics and call those in government that disagree with him "evil"?

What would Trump have to do to lose your support? That is an honest question.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Some of whom were planning to lynch VP Pence.

But only because Pence refused to do something he could not do anyway. Pence has been right alongside Trump lying to his supporters and inciting them until the day before Trump's treasonous mob violently occupied our nation's capital.

 

[The Mark]

But only because Pence refused to do something he could not do anyway. Pence has been right alongside Trump lying to his supporters and inciting them until the day before Trump's treasonous mob violently occupied our nation's capital.

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do, you don't threaten to hang someone without due process.
He's little better than Trump, but he doesn't deserve to be lynched by a mob.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do, you don't threaten to hang someone without due process.
He's little better than Trump, but he doesn't deserve to be lynched by a mob.

I totally agree, but he should face a federal investigation and any charges that result from it. Pence's speech condemning the violence was about as shameless of an act I have ever seen. Pence has been right alongside Trump all this time, spreading lies and inciting their followers. If Trump and Pence were private citizens, they would be in federal custody right now and almost certainly denied bail. Now granted, Pence would probably be able to weasel his way out of prison time, probably by turning states' evidence, but he would be in custody right now in a cell just like Trump would be. My point was that just because the mob had turned on Pence in the end, does not mean that Pence is innocent.

The fact is, if there are no consequences for Trump, then we may as well not even have a constitution because we are saying that he is simply above the law.

 

[Rexedgar]

So according to you, the troublemakers came prepared to make trouble and thus were NOT incited by Trumps speech. There goes impeachment

Bagdad logic...........

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Bagdad logic...........

Even William Barr has said that Trump incited a seditious mob to violence against our government. Yet some of these guys are still with Trump. What is it going to take? I just cannot comprehend how anyone that gives a damn about this country, could still be with Trump. I honestly don't understand it.

 

[Fletch]

Yeah, because Trump did not engage in any other incitement over the last 2 months... Some of ya'll are just hopeless.

What Jack PA is wrong about is that anyone that did what Trump did would not be charged with inciting a riot, they would at minimum be charged with Sedition and inciting Insurrection. The fact is, any private citizen that did what Trump did would spend the rest of their life in a Federal Supermax facility.

Bull****. You dont know wtf you are talking about.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Bull****. You dont know wtf you are talking about.

"Former Attorney General William Barr says President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a "betrayal of his office and supporters."

"orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable." -William Barr

Barr calls Trump conduct amid Capitol riot a 'betrayal of his office and supporters'

Former Attorney General William Barr says President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a “betrayal of his office and supporters.”

www.foxnews.com

 

[dave8383]

not inciting violence

next?

He gave the source.

 

[dave8383]

Bull****. You dont know wtf you are talking about.

Trump committed sedition and incited an insurrection.

 

[dave8383]

Trump attempted a coup: he must be removed while those who aided him pay
Robert Reich

Donald Trump arrives to speak near the White House on Wednesday.Photograph: Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images
Sun 10 Jan 2021 01.00 EST
Last modified on Sun 10 Jan 2021 01.02 EST
Call me old-fashioned, but when the president of the United States encourages armed insurgents to breach the Capitol and threaten the physical safety of Congress, in order to remain in power, I call it an attempted coup.
The rampage on Wednesday left five dead, including a Capitol police officer who was injured when he tangled with the pro-Trump mob. We’re fortunate the carnage wasn’t greater.
That the attempted coup failed shouldn’t blind us to its significance or the stain it has left on America. Nor to the importance of holding those responsible fully accountable.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...6Plc9An6FaYTFvEbrUmUNdG7GbPgyZehP0SRTyBWEZfao