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10 American Pastors with Private Jets – ‘It’s what Jesus would do’

NotreDame said:
And what ethical or moral rule are invoking to say “shame on them?”

The Bible verse from Matthew is a commentary of rich people love their riches so much it is difficult for them to love God more. So, the Matthew verse doesn’t per se permit a “shame on them” notion.
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There is no god.
 
Mach said:
Wasn't their wealth largely created tax-free?
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No they're generally taxed as regular wages, with an exception of parsonage allowance exemptions.
 
JacksinPA said:
There is no god.
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On this topic: you can't prove a negative. Can you offer anything that proves a god (or gods) exist? Prove a positive that will convince us.

I will believe in god when she lands her UFO in Central Park.
 
JacksinPA said:
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9 American Pastors with Private Jets - 'It's what Jesus would do' - Aero Corner

Matthew 19:24 famously says, “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” – but they never said anything about private jets, right? In Les Misérables, Victor Hugo imagines his Bishop of Digne as…
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Matthew 19:24 famously says “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” – but they never said anything about private jets, right?

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This might be dated but it is a continuation of my post in SE about supposedly religious 'pastors' being con men & charlatans. Each of these planes cost their 'flocks' over a $1M each.

I think Copeland has 3 jets. Shame on him.
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For the record, I don't think God cares if you own a jet, a motorcycle, a Bentley, whatever.

But to call these men "Christian" is B.S. These people belong to the prosperity gospel, a.k.a. Word of Faith, a.k.a "Name it Claim It" or "Blab It - Grab It".

They wrap themselves in Christianity but are not actually Christian. Their god is the dollar.
 
JacksinPA said:
On this topic: you can't prove a negative. Can you offer anything that proves a god (or gods) exist? Prove a positive that will convince us.

I will believe in god when she lands her UFO in Central Park.
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1 Corinthians 8:6​

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Hebrews 11:6​

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 John 4:8 People who hate others do not know GOD​

Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Romans 1:18-21 ​

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Jeremiah 29:13 Seek GOD and HE will reveal HIMSELF​

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

John 1:18 The MESSIAH reveals GOD​

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Revelation 4:11 ESV / 156 helpful votes​

“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

Romans 1:21 GOD withdraws from those that ignore HIM​

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

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Psalm 19:1 ESV / 129 helpful votes​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

John 3:8 The wind illustrates GOD and HIS power​

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Colossians 1:15​

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

John 20:29​

Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Psalm 90:2 GOD formed the earth and later formed the mountains​

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

Genesis 1:27 Our creativity reflects that of GOD​

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Job 38:4 GOD asks the questions​

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.

James 1:17​

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Genesis 1:1-31 The creation story of the Bible is like no other​

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

James 2:19 Satan knows GOD exists​

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Isaiah 40:26​

Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

John 3:16​

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

1 Peter 3:18-22​

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Proverbs 3:5-6​

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

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Romans 1:18 Disasters can be punishment​

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

John 1:1​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 4:24​

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Hebrews 11:3​

By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Hebrews 3:4 Design in nature (if not nature itself) reveals GOD​

(For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.)

Romans 1:28​

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

2 Timothy 3:16 GOD's word is educational​

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Romans 6:23​

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Psalm 14:1-4 Fools do not seek GOD and remain mute in their thoughts
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one. Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call upon the Lord?

Psalm 19:1-4​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

John 1:3​

All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

Romans 2:14​

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.

Isaiah 45:18​

For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the Lord, and there is no other.

Matthew 7:7-8 GOD answers the prayers of those that love HIM​

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

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Romans 2:14-15 GOD reveals HIMSELF to those who do not know HIM​

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

Isaiah 7:14 GOD has fulfilled HIS prophetic messages​

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

John 14:21 People who regard GOD's Commandments prove that GOD exists​

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

2 Peter 3:5 Evolutionists and Uniformitarians ignore all evidence of Noah's FLOOD​

For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,

Isaiah 40:28​

Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.

1 Corinthians 2:14 A materialistic person is blind to spirituality​

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

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Jeremiah 9:23-24​

Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord who practices steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the Lord.”

Psalm 19:1-6​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. ...

Genesis 2:1-25 GOD designed the week​

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...

Jeremiah 32:17​

‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you.

Psalm 19:1-2 GOD is revealed in nature​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.

Deuteronomy 33:27 GOD will move enemies out of the believer's way​

The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, Destroy.

1 Thessalonians 1:9 True believers know the difference between GOD and idols nd statuary​

For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,

Job 12:7-10​

“But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind.

Revelation 1:1​

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

John 1:14 JESUS reveals GOD​

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 12:6 GOD will train and correct all those GOD owns​

For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

1 Timothy 1:17​

To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

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Romans 2:12-15 The LAW reveals GOD​

For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

Romans 1:18-23​

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, ...

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Acts 17:28-29​

For “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’ Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.

1 Corinthians 11:12​

For as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.

Luke 1:47-49 The fact that Mary is still called blessed reveals GOD​

And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

Psalm 86:8-10​

There is none like you among the gods, O Lord, nor are there any works like yours. All the nations you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. For you are great and do wondrous things; you alone are God.

Exodus 3:14 GOD says HE exists​

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

1 John 5:20​

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 Wicked people are excluded from understanding​

And with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 GOD created beauty​

He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

Genesis 1:3 GOD is light​

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Revelation 3:20 One can realize GOD's presence​

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Romans 1:19​

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

John 20:19-24 JESUS revealed HIMSELF to be GOD​

On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” ...

John 14:17 Christians perceive GOD --- non believers can not​

Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

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John 6:50-71 CHRIST reveals GOD​

This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ...

Psalm 13:5-6 GOD brings blessing on those who believe in HIM​

But I have trusted in your steadfast love; my heart shall rejoice in your salvation. I will sing to the Lord, because he has dealt bountifully with me.

Revelation 1:1-20 CHRIST is the revelation of GOD​

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...

Genesis 1:2 GOD explains how we came to exist​

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

2 Peter 1:21The prophecies found in the Bible are proof of GOD and not made up by men​

For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Nahum 1:2-3 GOD can use storms to punish enemies​

The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord is avenging and wrathful; the Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries and keeps wrath for his enemies. The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty. His way is in whirlwind and storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

Job 11:7​

“Can you find out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limit of the Almighty?

Ephesians 5:25-33 Marriage illustrates GOD and HIS relation to the CHURCH​

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, ...

Isaiah 53:3-12 Ancient prophecy that came true​

He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. ...
 
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NotreDame said:
And what ethical or moral rule are invoking to say “shame on them?”

The Bible verse from Matthew is a commentary of rich people love their riches so much it is difficult for them to love God more. So, the Matthew verse doesn’t per se permit a “shame on them” notion.
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No, the bible quote says for the rich next to impossible for them to enter the kingdom of heaven. it is not just a matter of degree of loving god, but that they are not capable of loving god. Therefore, a rich preacher is not a man of god, according to the Christian Bible.
 
NotreDame said:
Okay. So, your implication of a breach of some ethical or moral violation is based in what? Certainly not because you said so.
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their violation is preaching to others to give them money based on a false pretext pretending to be a a superior moral position. They are the scum of con men. Con men are not ethical or moral no matter how you measure it.
 
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