“If We Stay Quiet They Crush Us”

[Mashmont]

Separation of church and state ensures that religious fanatics can’t impose their beliefs on anyone else....which is why it is so incredibly important. The founders didn’t want the US to be like Europe, where kings and nobles used force to compel everyone to follow a state religion.

And atheism is not a religion.

When you try to separate church and state, you end up with atheist fanatics imposing their beliefs on everyone else like we have now. That's why the concept can't work. It's best for the state to take the best alternative, which is Christianity, specifically Catholicism, and go with that.

Whatever you call atheism, it is a vile evil movement.

 

[Tigerace117]

Romero wasn't a proponent of liberation theology. The Marxist stole and perverted the notion of caring for the poor, which they, of course have never done. Romero was beatified under Pope St. John Paul.

Romero was murdered by a far right thug for daring to oppose the mass murder conducted by the government of El Salvador in its efforts to wipe out the “Marxists”.

 

[Mashmont]

Romero was murdered by a far right thug for daring to oppose the mass murder conducted by the government of El Salvador in its efforts to wipe out the “Marxists”.

His assassin is unknown. Don't even think about hijacking Romero for your atheist cause.

 

[Tigerace117]

When you try to separate church and state, you end up with atheist fanatics imposing their beliefs on everyone else like we have now. That's why the concept can't work. It's best for the state to take the best alternative, which is Christianity, specifically Catholicism, and go with that.

When you don’t separate church and state you get situations like Northern Ireland, the Thirty Years War(which wiped out more than half the population in some areas of Germany) and the Crusades. Religious fanatics feeling persecuted because they aren’t allowed to impose their beliefs on other is A) pathetic and B) exactly why the founders knew separation of church and state was so important.

 

[Tigerace117]

His assassin is unknown. Don't even think about hijacking Romero for your atheist cause.

Romero had literally just called out Salvadoran soldiers to stop carrying out the government’s program of mass murder of “communists” when he was murdered. Oh, and his assassin was identified, over twenty years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_D'Aubuisson

“Subsequent investigations by the United Nations and other international bodies have established that the four assassins were members of a death squad led by Major Roberto D'Aubuisson.[75] Revelations of the D'Aubuisson plot came to light in 1984 when US ambassador Robert White testified before the United States Congress that "there was sufficient evidence" to convict D'Aubuisson of planning and ordering Romero's assassination.[76] In 1993, an official United Nations report identified D'Aubuisson as the man who ordered the killing.[58] It is believed that D'Aubuisson had strong connections to the Nicaraguan National Guard and to its offshoot the Fifteenth of September Legion[77] and had also planned to overthrow the government in a coup. Later he founded the political party Nationalist Republican Alliance (ARENA), and organized death squads that systematically carried out politically motivated assassinations and other human rights abuses in El Salvador.”

Óscar Romero - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Romero was killed for opposing the mass murder of “Marxists”..... as I said before.

 

[Mashmont]

When you don’t separate church and state you get situations like Northern Ireland, the Thirty Years War(which wiped out more than half the population in some areas of Germany) and the Crusades. Religious fanatics feeling persecuted because they aren’t allowed to impose their beliefs on other is A) pathetic and B) exactly why the founders knew separation of church and state was so important.

This is why you atheists LOVE the notion of separation of church and state. Because you get free reign in imposing your beliefs on everybody else without having to follow the restrictions of 'religion', when a religion is exactly what you are.
What needs to happen is for atheism is to be put on the same competitive field as Catholicism, a comparison which atheism will surely lose. That's why atheists fight like hell to insist 'We're not a religion. You can't challenge our policies".

 

[Mashmont]

Romero had literally just called out Salvadoran soldiers to stop carrying out the government’s program of mass murder of “communists” when he was murdered. Oh, and his assassin was identified, over twenty years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_D'Aubuisson

“Subsequent investigations by the United Nations and other international bodies have established that the four assassins were members of a death squad led by Major Roberto D'Aubuisson.[75] Revelations of the D'Aubuisson plot came to light in 1984 when US ambassador Robert White testified before the United States Congress that "there was sufficient evidence" to convict D'Aubuisson of planning and ordering Romero's assassination.[76] In 1993, an official United Nations report identified D'Aubuisson as the man who ordered the killing.[58] It is believed that D'Aubuisson had strong connections to the Nicaraguan National Guard and to its offshoot the Fifteenth of September Legion[77] and had also planned to overthrow the government in a coup. Later he founded the political party Nationalist Republican Alliance (ARENA), and organized death squads that systematically carried out politically motivated assassinations and other human rights abuses in El Salvador.”

Óscar Romero - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Romero was killed for opposing the mass murder of “Marxists”..... as I said before.

Mass murder of poor people. He was shot while celebrating Mass.

But what we really need to see more of are canonizations from the victims of Marxist regimes worldwide. There are many deserving martyrs.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is why you atheists LOVE the notion of separation of church and state. Because you get free reign in imposing your beliefs on everybody else without having to follow the restrictions of 'religion', when a religion is exactly what you are.
What needs to happen is for atheism is to be put on the same competitive field as Catholicism, a comparison which atheism will surely lose. That's why atheists fight like hell to insist 'We're not a religion. You can't challenge our policies".

Separation of church and state isn’t a “belief”; it’s simply the fact that the government prevents religious fanatics from tyrannizing Americans who don’t share their beliefs. And, again, atheism isn’t a religion.

What needs to happen is that religious fanatics need to stop trying to destroy the Constitution. Nobody cares how much it burns your asshole that you can’t force anyone else to believe the way you do.

 

[Tigerace117]

Mass murder of poor people. He was shot while celebrating Mass.

But what we really need to see more of are canonizations from the victims of Marxist regimes worldwide. There are many deserving martyrs.

The El Salvadoran government claimed it was killing “Marxists”. As usual they murdered plenty of people whose only crime was to oppose the government in some way, but that’s typical for far right nut jobs.

Romero was murdered by the far right for daring to oppose their campaign of mass murder. As I said before.

Considering that the Catholic Church was dumb enough to beatify a Ustase collaborator.....

 

[Mashmont]

Separation of church and state isn’t a “belief”; it’s simply the fact that the government prevents religious fanatics from tyrannizing Americans who don’t share their beliefs. And, again, atheism isn’t a religion.

What needs to happen is that religious fanatics need to stop trying to destroy the Constitution. Nobody cares how much it burns your asshole that you can’t force anyone else to believe the way you do.

I have explained this repeatedly, so i don't know what part you don't understand. Atheists are doing exactly what you claim --tyrannizing Americans who don't share their beliefs, and they're doing it under the cover of 'separation of church and state' which the Constitution never called for.
Don't repeat the same thing again.
Thanks

 

[Tigerace117]

I have explained this repeatedly, so i don't know what part you don't understand. Atheists are doing exactly what you claim --tyrannizing Americans who don't share their beliefs, and they're doing it under the cover of 'separation of church and state' which the Constitution never called for.
Don't repeat the same thing again.
Thanks

You’ve claimed it repeatedly(without the slightest shred of evidence).....but making a false claim doesn’t become true just because you double down on it. No one is “tyrannized” by the government not having a state religion; atheism is not a religion; and the founders ensured there would be separation of church and state precisely because of people like you.

 

[Peter King]

In 2016 Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) recorded 2,380 separate violations of freedom of religion or belief under the Castroit regime. Of those, over 2,000 included the whole church congregations. About 200 involved arrest of women groups to prevent them from attending Mass. The brutal and public strategies used by the Castroit regime has continued throughout 2017. These include arbitrary arrests, beatings, demolishing places of worship and confiscation of charge property.

Wow, a dictatorial non-democratic regime represses it's people, shocking. Also, this is 5 years ago.

Also, I am not sure this has 100% to do with religion but with people using their faith as a platform/opportunity to criticize the government and demand change/democracy/true freedom.

Because the Cuban government may not have warm feelings towards religion, it has even worse feelings about those fighting for the end of communist rule and democracy.

 

[Peter King]

After Hurricane Irma devastated part of the north coast of Cuba, religious organizations have faced great difficulties to provide humanitarian aid and support to hurricane victims. The Castroit regime denial of aid from religious organizations to hurricane victims is an act of injustice and oppression. The regime put politics ahead of the suffering of the Cuban people.

Again, shocking how a human rights abusing government does not want outside religious interference, sorry, but that is not a surprise now is it. They did allow aid from non-religious or non-interfering groups like the UN and the red cross.

But the truth is the communist regime of Cuba should be terminated ASAP. But sadly the international boycott from the US has not helped change the situation in Cuba, it has hindered change.

 

[Peter King]

Pope Francis visit to Cuba make no difference in the daily lives of the Cuban people. He did not criticized the Castroit regime, he did not meet with dissidents, and remain silent when the Castroit regime security forces detained two Ladies in White that had been invited to meet him. But during his visit to the U.S., he addressed political topics like immigration and the death penalty.

He was there as a diplomat so to speak from the Vatican. He had no other option as to tread lightly, the catholic church is dependent on the Castro regime to allow it access and try and do good things. Radically confronting Cuban authorities would have achieved nothing.

And him criticizing things in the US is logical, it is a democracy, freedom to express and the fact that this is respected is the reason he can do it in the open. In Cuba they are still *****footing around so to speak. It may not be "fair" but the 2 situations in the 2 countries are as different as it comes when freedom and democracy is concerned.

Or do you think Francis blasting the Cuban government would have gone down well or achieved ANYTHING?

 

[Rumpel]

Romero was murdered by a far right thug for daring to oppose the mass murder conducted by the government of El Salvador in its efforts to wipe out the “Marxists”.

So it was.

 

[Peter King]

Seems that Pope Francis adopted the Liberation Theology, which was fought forcefully by Popes John Paul II and Joseph Ratzinger. He is a vocal critic of capitalism, has associated with ex-priest Leonardo Boff, a strong supporter of liberation theology left wing causes, which in an interview said, “Francis is one of us.” In 2015, Pope Francis canonized Bishop Oscar Romero, one of the main figures in the liberation theology movement. In an interview with the Spanish daily El País, he said that “Liberation Theology was a good thing for Latin America.” But Ratzinger referred to Liberation Theology as a “singular heresy” and a “fundamental threat” to the Church. No wonder Pope Francis is called the Red Pope.

Wow, Pope Francis (the Jesuit) is a vocal critic of the excesses of Capitalism



Why on earth would the only Jesuit priest of the three, who has taken vows of Poverty and chastity speak out against capitalism. It is mind boggling.

 

[Peter King]

That's most unfortunate.

Give the left here in America enough power and they'll do the same things.

They've already kicked God out of the schools, out of government, torn down crosses everywhere they can, tried to criminalize free religious speech (don't speak out against homosexual sin, etc.), turned America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, tried to keep teachers and students from wearing cross necklaces, and generally engage in a wide range of actions offensive to Christianity and Judaism, while embracing Muslims. They have even embraced Castro, communism, socialism, and anything that doesn't have a rigid moral framework. Frankly, they're just as bad as the regime in Cuba.

Why would god be in schools? Why would it be in government? The government and schools are there for everybody. There is separation between church and state for a good reason. And the US has been a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah despite it being highly religious. Schools or government not being religious does nothing to change the attitude change taking place in the US. It has more to do with the fact that religion has been a downer for a lot of people all of their lives and they are sick and tired of it. That is why people leave organized religion.

And the world cannot be blamed for people waking up from their religiously induced coma's and wanting to be free from religious doctrine and oppression.

 

[Peter King]

Really ?

The same California that just became the world's 5 biggest economy ?



But if you don't like California, the solution is simple - don't live there.

Or change it in a democratic manner by convincing people to change things through the electoral system. You know, that which differentiates us from dictatorial regimes like Cuba.

 

[VySky]

After Hurricane Irma devastated part of the north coast of Cuba, religious organizations have faced great difficulties to provide humanitarian aid and support to hurricane victims. The Castroit regime denial of aid from religious organizations to hurricane victims is an act of injustice and oppression. The regime put politics ahead of the suffering of the Cuban people.

Sounds familiar.

 

[Peter King]

This is how it always goes under Marxist regimes. Christian charity is in direct competition with Marxist atheist rule. Christian charity is far more effective and fervent than so-called government aid. I see it right here in our own community. We have a church based food bank in our city that serves more people on a shoestring than the government agencies. But unlike with the private sector, inefficient government agencies never go out of business. They continue to be subsidized with taxpayer money.

Well, this is a communist country, not a Marxist country. And in a Marxist country there would be no competition as in a Marxist society there is no need, want or desire for christianity or any other faith.

 

[Peter King]

Look for a lot more of Christian oppression. Look for it in America in the coming years.

You mean people are no longer going to accept the oppression in the US by the christians? You are right. And then if people liberate themselves of the christian faith and it's oppressive political and cultural influence, christians are going to start falsely complaining they are being oppressed. Which is not true, they just lost their power to oppress others and that will not sit well with them.

 

[Peter King]

Separation of church and state simply means atheism is the state religion. That's why that concept is bogus, and the First Amendment says nothing about it.

That is BS, atheism is not a religion. And separation of church and state is the only acceptable way to prevent state religions and all the discrimination that comes with that.

 

[Peter King]

Romero wasn't a proponent of liberation theology. The Marxist stole and perverted the notion of caring for the poor, which they, of course have never done. Romero was beatified under Pope St. John Paul.

there is no more fake process than beatification. It is politics of the church, nothing more.

 

[Peter King]

When you try to separate church and state, you end up with atheist fanatics imposing their beliefs on everyone else like we have now. That's why the concept can't work. It's best for the state to take the best alternative, which is Christianity, specifically Catholicism, and go with that.

Whatever you call atheism, it is a vile evil movement.

Atheism is a fine movement. That is how simple it is.

 

[Peter King]

His assassin is unknown. Don't even think about hijacking Romero for your atheist cause.

The man who ordered it has been named as Major Roberto D'Aubuisson, founder of the right-wing ARENA political party, had ordered the killing. And this has nothing to do with an atheist agenda/cause, this has to do with the refusal of most of the right to ever admit to the crimes of extreme right murderers.