‘We’re citizens!’: Oklahoma City family traumatized after ICE raids home, but they weren’t suspects

[Lutherf]

Did the warrant allow them to take the electronic devices of people not named in the warrant?

One would assume so. It appears that the warrant was for a search of the place as well as the persons.

 

[watsup]

She claimed to be a citizen... have you found proof that this claim is valid? Thank...



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What a truly stupid question (as usual). Have you found proof that she is not?

 

[Jezcoe]

One would assume so. It appears that the warrant was for a search of the place as well as the persons.

If the persons have moved out and new ones have moved in… what do they expect to find with the place?

And if they need to search a place with new persons… then certainly a surprise warrant wasn’t needed.

 

[Lutherf]

If the persons have moved out and new ones have moved in… what do they expect to find with the place?

And if they need to search a place with new persons… then certainly a surprise warrant wasn’t needed.

Believe it or not, on occasion criminals give law enforcement fake names. Sometimes they work together with other criminals. Sometimes the landlord is even involved

 

[Jezcoe]

Believe it or not, on occasion criminals give law enforcement fake names. Sometimes they work together with other criminals. Sometimes the landlord is even involved

It is on law enforcement to investigate before people’s rights are violated.

This easy dismissal of lazy police work is what allows it to continue to happen.

 

[Napoleon]

I think that we can easily determine that the warrant was bullshit because innocent people had their house raided and property seized by the Government.

Nonsense. They had the misfortune of moving into a property that had an active warrant against it. It’s just that simple. As for their property, I’ll never understand why people run around with their life savings in cash but civil asset forfeiture is highway robbery. That’s not unique to this case so its neither here nor there though.

 

[Jezcoe]

Nonsense. They had the misfortune of moving into a property that had an active warrant against it. It’s just that simple. As for their property, I’ll never understand why people run around with their life savings in cash but civil asset forfeiture is highway robbery. That’s not unique to this case so its neither here nor there though.

As said before.

This lazy type of police work that violates people’s rights will continue to exist only if people continue to make excuses for it.

 

[Napoleon]

As said before.

This lazy type of police work that violates people’s rights will continue to exist only if people continue to make excuses for it.

It isn’t lazy police work and you can never prevent what happened here unless we have a surveillance State where the government and law enforcement know where everyone is all the time. It isn’t law enforcement’s fault that the previous tenants got out of dodge without a forwarding address before the warrant could be executed.

 

[Lutherf]

It is on law enforcement to investigate before people’s rights are violated.

This easy dismissal of lazy police work is what allows it to continue to happen.

It doesn’t appear that anyone’s rights were violated. If there was a valid warrant served at a valid address then there was probable cause and the search was reasonable.

 

[Hamish Howl]

One would assume so. It appears that the warrant was for a search of the place as well as the persons.

Except that's bullshit.

Here is the text of the 4th amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Were these peoples' phones listed in the warrant? I bet they weren't.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It isn’t lazy police work and you can never prevent what happened here unless we have a surveillance State where the government and law enforcement know where everyone is all the time. It isn’t law enforcement’s fault that the previous tenants got out of dodge without a forwarding address before the warrant could be executed.

You could maybe not seize the possessions of the wrong people.

Once it was established that the people at the home were not the people being looked for, how does the illegal seizure of these peoples' possessions benefit anyone at all?

 

[Hamish Howl]

It doesn’t appear that anyone’s rights were violated. If there was a valid warrant served at a valid address then there was probable cause and the search was reasonable.

The seizure was not reasonable.

Every officer on this search should be working the property desk until the sun burns out. At best.

 

[Napoleon]

You could maybe not seize the possessions of the wrong people.

Once it was established that the people at the home were not the people being looked for, how does the illegal seizure of these peoples' possessions benefit anyone at all?

Like I said, I think civil asset forfeiture is highway robbery anyway. But the unfortunate fact is that if you’re in the property when a property warrant is executed then TAG you’re it. That’s the way it goes in any context.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Like I said, I think civil asset forfeiture is highway robbery anyway. But the unfortunate fact is that if you’re in the property when a property warrant is executed then TAG you’re it. That’s the way it goes in any context.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Nope.

 

[Napoleon]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Nope.

It wasn’t a warrant for a person. It was a warrant for the premises and whatever is inside. Any property on the premises is subject to the warrant.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It wasn’t a warrant for a person. It was a warrant for the premises and whatever is inside. Any property on the premises is subject to the warrant.

It doesn't matter. The text is quite plain. Objects to be seized are to be listed in particular.

The only exception to that per SCOTUS is if during a reasonable search, unrelated contraband is discovered. Peoples' phones and tablets are not contraband.

 

[Napoleon]

It doesn't matter. The text is quite plain. Objects to be seized are to be listed in particular.

The only exception to that per SCOTUS is if during a reasonable search, unrelated contraband is discovered. Peoples' phones and tablets are not contraband.

How do you know those items weren’t listed? Do you have a copy of the warrant?

 

[Hamish Howl]

How do you know those items weren’t listed? Do you have a copy of the warrant?

The warrant listed the phones of people that the police never knew were there?

Did they use The Force? Did they have alien assistance? Was Elvis involved?

 

[Napoleon]

The warrant listed the phones of people that the police never knew were there?

Did they use The Force? Did they have alien assistance? Was Elvis involved?

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Ugh. The warrant doesn’t have to say “Hamish Owl’s cellphone.” It can simply say any cellphone or any electronic device.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Ugh. The warrant doesn’t have to say “Hamish Owl’s cellphone.” It can simply say any cellphone or any electronic device.

Nope. Items to be seized have to be listed in particular.

"Cell phones or electronics in the possession of Joe Blow."

Not

"Cell phones of anyone who happens to be present."

 

[Napoleon]

Nope. Items to be seized have to be listed in particular.

"Cell phones or electronics in the possession of Joe Blow."

Not

"Cell phones of anyone who happens to be present."

False. Per what you quoted - it only hast to identify the item(s) not the person to whom the item(s) belong or is otherwise in the possession of.

 

[Bodi]

What a truly stupid question (as usual). Have you found proof that she is not?

So you don't know if it is true... got it.


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[Pound4abrown]

This is unfortunate, but you forgot to tell us why this mistake was made? Was it corrected when they realized there was a mistake made? The nation is overrun with millions of immigrants who illegally entered the country and that is a felony, a crime and one that in many cases can end in immediate deportation even without what many would claim was lack of due process, but that's the law.
Under certain circumstances, including being apprehended near the border and within a short timeframe after entering the country, undocumented immigrants can be subject to expedited removal. This process allows for immediate deportation without a formal court hearing.

• Individuals who already have a removal order in place, such as those who missed a court date or were previously found deportable, may not be granted a new hearing before being deported.
  
  
• Asylum seekers must make a formal request for asylum within the first year they are in the country.

Here's to hoping you don't have a "mistake" like this in your future.
The callousness in which you are defending this is par for the course, though. Maybe if more MAGA felt these "mistakes" they could shut the **** up, for once.

 

[Pound4abrown]

So, you’re okay with ICE busting in your door at 2 am?

of course he is. and he is not alone.
Until a few of their doors are busted in, there will be no joy in Mudville.

 

[Tamuro]

I love when people bitch about immigrants while simultaneously be so damn stupid to not know they too are immigrants. Every single person born and living in America came from immigrants. Every-single-one-of-us. Just because you might be a blue eyed middle aged white guy doesn’t mean you didn’t come from immigrants.

So get off your high horse because you have no problem with your ancestors being immigrants. This country doesn’t belong to you. You’re only here because your family most likely came here illegally at some point.