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‘Intruder’ able to walk into Uvalde school unchallenged as new report slams medical response

devildavid said:
They aren’t exactly rewarding failure, they are funding just enough to guarantee it. They can’t replace people in the same way as companies that can afford to pay more. They don’t have the resources to do that.
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Nonsense, ‘more resources’ won’t change union contract terms (other than inflating pay rates).
 
devildavid said:
And how do you get competent employees? By offering low pay and benefits?
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The back doors latch at Walmarts and even mom & pop stores, yet they’re not known to offer higher (than public union) wages or benefits.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The back doors latch at Walmarts and even mom & pop stores, yet they’re not known to offer higher (than public union) wages or benefits.
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You don’t know this. That would mean none of these are ever susceptible any time of day to an intruder. My workplace had a door that would periodically fail to latch. So my anecdote shows your claim is absolutely incorrect.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yes.



Nobody, because then they would have no basis to (endlessly?) demand ‘more resources’.
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And how do you make people do a better job?

You have no idea of the resources they have or how often they ask for more. You know nothing about the problem but pretend to have the solution.
 
devildavid said:
Union contracts are irrelevant to solving this problem. Resources are not.
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Hmm.. are intruders gaining entry unchallenged not a problem? What would you recommend (aside from disarming everyone)?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm.. are intruders gaining entry unchallenged not a problem? What would you recommend (aside from disarming everyone)?
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Union contracts are not the cause of intruders. You have offered no solutions but to imply that union contracts somehow contribute.
 
devildavid said:
And how do you make people do a better job?
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Deny them pay raises or replace them if they refuse to do so, but those are likely ‘off the table’ under union contract terms.

devildavid said:
You have no idea of the resources they have or how often they ask for more. You know nothing about the problem but pretend to have the solution.
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The problem stated in the OP was that intruders are still free to enter the school building unchallenged and that exterior (back?) doors still don’t latch.
 
devildavid said:
Union contracts are not the cause of intruders. You have offered no solutions but to imply that union contracts somehow contribute.
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Current personnel allowed an intruder to enter unchallenged and allowed doors which don’t latch to remain un-repaired.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Deny them pay raises or replace them if they refuse to do so, but those are likely ‘off the table’ under union contract terms.



The problem stated in the OP was that intruders are still free to enter the school building unchallenged and that exterior (back?) doors still don’t latch.
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And you don’t know why the problem wasn’t addressed, but assume if must be somehow related to a union.

Your opinion of what motivates people to do a better job is just that; your opinion. In my experience, not getting raises doesn’t motivate people to do a better job. And replacing one incompetent with another doesn’t either. Why don’t you point your finger at the school board and administrators who actually run things? It is a management problem, as all problems are in any organization.
 
devildavid said:
And you don’t know why the problem wasn’t addressed, but assume if must be somehow related to a union.

Your opinion of what motivates people to do a better job is just that; your opinion. In my experience, not getting raises doesn’t motivate people to do a better job. And replacing one incompetent with another doesn’t either. Why don’t you point your finger at the school board and administrators who actually run things? It is a management problem, as all problems are in any organization.
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It’s likely that management is at least partly to blame, but you assume that without stating why nobody else seems to care that intruders can still enter the Uvalde school unchallenged.

Are you assuming that problem was known only by management and that the rank and file employees were unaware of it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It’s likely that management is at least partly to blame, but you assume that without stating why nobody else seems to care that intruders can still enter the Uvalde school unchallenged.

Are you assuming that problem was known only by management and that the rank and file employees were unaware of it?
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I never made any comment on who cares or not. I don’t know. You can care and still be lax and incompetent in getting something taken care of. I am saying that what happens at the school is the ultimate responsibility of those who actually run the school.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, but they aren’t getting replaced either. Far too many public employees are given ‘job for life’ status.
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Once again, you are stating an opinion that has nothing to do with this particular case.
 
devildavid said:
I never made any comment on who cares or not. I don’t know. You can care and still be lax and incompetent in getting something taken care of. I am saying that what happens at the school is the ultimate responsibility of those who actually run the school.
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That’s my point - folks are lax and incompetent, yet they keep their ‘jobs for life’.
 
Grand Mal said:
Another odd thing about employment in the public sector is the expectation that a system that has had a total, disastrous failure be fixed without committing new resources to the problem.
One day a politician will have the confidence, either through personal courage or a changed public attitude or both, to run and be elected on raising taxes to address a desperately needed fix.
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layers of double taxation because some idiot school employees were not responsible to check doors?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You’re simply trying to defend the status quo. HAND
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You are expressing your opinion without knowing all the details of what is happening, just on your broad assumptions based on your biases.
 
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