Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Рес&

[Androvski]

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At last an American that acknowledges that we weren't completely useless and that the US didn't win the war all on it's own,or should I just say Audie Murphy:lol:
I think the logistical complications of actually invading the US would have deterred an actual invasion,unless of course the USSR had been conquered first,in which case only the bering straits would have to be crossed opposed to the Atlantic.

 

[The Truth-Bringer]

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Duuuude....you just blew my mind......

Huh? Please Explain

 

[The Truth-Bringer]

Re: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Рес&

At last an American that acknowledges that we weren't completely useless and that the US didn't win the war all on it's own,or should I just say Audie Murphy:lol:
I think the logistical complications of actually invading the US would have deterred an actual invasion,unless of course the USSR had been conquered first,in which case only the bering straits would have to be crossed opposed to the Atlantic.

The USSR was the main enemy of Germany during WWII, France and UK were just bystanders, like a Chiwuawua poking at a lion fighting a elephant.

The German People were all rallied up for a War in the East against "Evils of Communism", which Hitler had been propogandizing all the evil in the world upon those "Evil Communists", such as his order to the army that "All Captured Communists are to be shot immediatly" and such. The USSR diverted the main force of attack from the West to the East, and also millions of men and some of his Best Generals and Divisions. Rommel was a good General, but One general wasnt good enough for the west. If Paulus and Manstein and all the others fought on the West, UK would have been quickly invaded and finished, and then they would have stayed in Europe Building up to invade either America, South America (To Gain a Good Foothold), or continued conquest of Africa.

So Yes the Soviet Union was Vital, and pretty much the most important feature in Defeating Nazi Germany, After all, they were the ones who forced Hitler to kill himself and paraded his Skull in the streets!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

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I'm curious why the soviet union invaded afghanistan?

warm water port

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

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The USSR was the main enemy of Germany during WWII, France and UK were just bystanders, like a Chiwuawua poking at a lion fighting a elephant.

The German People were all rallied up for a War in the East against "Evils of Communism", which Hitler had been propogandizing all the evil in the world upon those "Evil Communists", such as his order to the army that "All Captured Communists are to be shot immediatly" and such. The USSR diverted the main force of attack from the West to the East, and also millions of men and some of his Best Generals and Divisions. Rommel was a good General, but One general wasnt good enough for the west. If Paulus and Manstein and all the others fought on the West, UK would have been quickly invaded and finished, and then they would have stayed in Europe Building up to invade either America, South America (To Gain a Good Foothold), or continued conquest of Africa.

So Yes the Soviet Union was Vital, and pretty much the most important feature in Defeating Nazi Germany, After all, they were the ones who forced Hitler to kill himself and paraded his Skull in the streets!

The Soviet Union and Germany started world war one together as allies when they invaded Poland, and you forget that even if there was no USSR to stop the German advance the U.S. still would have nuked those nazis bastards back into the stone age, furthermore, you don't give nearly enough credit to the other allied nations, the U.S. was by far the largest producer of armanments and without the U.S. and lend lease with Russia they would have quickly been defeated by the nazis plus the battle of Normandy was the largest naval invasion force in history, also, in my opinion the second world war started in 1917 and didn't end until the fall of the Soviet Union in the late 80's, democracy and capitalism triumphed, not communism or national socialism.

 

[Androvski]

Re: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Рес&

The USSR was the main enemy of Germany during WWII, France and UK were just bystanders, like a Chiwuawua poking at a lion fighting a elephant.

The German People were all rallied up for a War in the East against "Evils of Communism", which Hitler had been propogandizing all the evil in the world upon those "Evil Communists", such as his order to the army that "All Captured Communists are to be shot immediatly" and such. The USSR diverted the main force of attack from the West to the East, and also millions of men and some of his Best Generals and Divisions. Rommel was a good General, but One general wasnt good enough for the west. If Paulus and Manstein and all the others fought on the West, UK would have been quickly invaded and finished, and then they would have stayed in Europe Building up to invade either America, South America (To Gain a Good Foothold), or continued conquest of Africa.

So Yes the Soviet Union was Vital, and pretty much the most important feature in Defeating Nazi Germany, After all, they were the ones who forced Hitler to kill himself and paraded his Skull in the streets!

The biggest bystanders of all were the US,because your own shores weren't threatened,it took an attack by Japan to bring you into the war at all,that was December 1941 by which time Britain had been at war for 2 1/4 yrs and suffered the Blitz!
As for the USSR being the Nazis main enemy,I agree no country can compare to the losses they suffered,and we'd have all been stuffed without them!

 

[The Truth-Bringer]

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The biggest bystanders of all were the US,because your own shores weren't threatened,it took an attack by Japan to bring you into the war at all,that was December 1941 by which time Britain had been at war for 2 1/4 yrs and suffered the Blitz!
As for the USSR being the Nazis main enemy,I agree no country can compare to the losses they suffered,and we'd have all been stuffed without them!

Actually for a Few Weeks the US shores were threatend, Nazi Submarines had made their way to the East coast and were torpedoing Cargo Ships, but it wasnt too big.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Re: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Рес&

At last an American that acknowledges that we weren't completely useless and that the US didn't win the war all on it's own,or should I just say Audie Murphy:lol:

I think the logistical complications of actually invading the US would have deterred an actual invasion,unless of course the USSR had been conquered first,in which case only the bering straits would have to be crossed opposed to the Atlantic.

Well, I've certainly never said that. The Soviets took something like 27 million dead in the "Great Patriotic War." But the taking of Berlin was horribly bloody and more costly than necessary as Stalin pitted his own generals against one another in the race to take Berlin.

WWII came as a result of WWI. The Treaty at Versailles was guaranteed to bring forth a Hitler who wanted retribution for what he considered was a double-cross by the western powers. Hitler and Stalin got together to carve up Poland and Stalin was stuck on stupid believing that he could trust Hitler who always intended to take out the Soviets. Additionally, Stalin refused to believe his own intelligence that Hitler was going to invade. Why some Russians believe him to be a good leader is beyond my understanding. Stalin was just a short step from heading for the tall grass until he grew a backbone. Then he sacrificed his own troops with no regard for life. He employed machine guns to shoot down anyone who didn't proceed forward. Many troops went into battle without weapons and had to get theirs from the others who died along side. He was a paranoid monster. My own personal opinion is that Trotsky would never have gotten himself into the fix that Stalin found himself. I'm no fan of communism but Trotsky had a lot of good common sense and was at his core a more or less a decent person. Stalin had no common sense and was a thoroughly horrible person. BTW, as an aside, Saddam patterned his regime on Stalin's model of governance.

 

[The Truth-Bringer]

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Well, I've certainly never said that. The Soviets took something like 27 million dead in the "Great Patriotic War." But the taking of Berlin was horribly bloody and more costly than necessary as Stalin pitted his own generals against one another in the race to take Berlin.

WWII came as a result of WWI. The Treaty at Versailles was guaranteed to bring forth a Hitler who wanted retribution for what he considered was a double-cross by the western powers. Hitler and Stalin got together to carve up Poland and Stalin was stuck on stupid believing that he could trust Hitler who always intended to take out the Soviets. Additionally, Stalin refused to believe his own intelligence that Hitler was going to invade. Why some Russians believe him to be a good leader is beyond my understanding. Stalin was just a short step from heading for the tall grass until he grew a backbone. Then he sacrificed his own troops with no regard for life. He employed machine guns to shoot down anyone who didn't proceed forward. Many troops went into battle without weapons and had to get theirs from the others who died along side. He was a paranoid monster. My own personal opinion is that Trotsky would never have gotten himself into the fix that Stalin found himself. I'm no fan of communism but Trotsky had a lot of good common sense and was at his core a more or less a decent person. Stalin had no common sense and was a thoroughly horrible person. BTW, as an aside, Saddam patterned his regime on Stalin's model of governance.

Very True for all of it,

Except Just on that Estimate of 27,000,000, That is the High End of the RUssian WWII Estimates, and using the Low Side of Stalinist murder Estiamtes. The range of Dead goes from 7,000,000 (Source: stalin) - 27,000,000 (Source: ~). Most Stalinist Era scholars cite 20,000,000 or so, yet 27,000,000 its unsure if that is coutning all people who died in rUssia due to unnatural reasons during that time (Remember Stalin's Gulag was peaking at this age, and killed at least a few million), so not all were dead due to the Great War.

 

[Comrade Brian]

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Actually, Hitler's ultimate goal was the defeat of the United States.

Really. I thought it was the world.

And as for this title, I could read it, I know a small bit of Russian.

 

[Androvski]

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Really. I thought it was the world.

And as for this title, I could read it, I know a small bit of Russian.

Hell I don't even know welsh and Iam welsh!

 

[Missouri Mule]

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Really. I thought it was the world.

And as for this title, I could read it, I know a small bit of Russian.

That's true but he knew that it was ultimately only the U.S. who could prevent that goal. With the U.S. out of the way, he would have rolled over everyone else. Once he picked that lock it would have been relatively easy to open the door. This is amply covered in his sequel to Mein Kampf.

 

[fam]

Re: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Рес&

(Gah, it cut off the title...it's Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик)

I made this thread partially because I wanted to make the title in Cyrillic and because I wanted to see who understood it.:mrgreen: No, actually I want opinions and ideas. What do you think of the former Soviet Union, it's ideas, economy, government...it's HISTORY!

And what do you know if it? I've met lots of people who really have no idea how it operated.

Well, I understand your title. So I write this post(answer to your question) in Cyrillic, too.
За СССР не зная много. Знам, че е бил един политически експеримент, обречен да се провали, както всъщност и цялата система на социализма.
От една страна е съществувало затвореност от външния свят и насилие. От друга-това е била страна с огромни възможности. С огромно нееднородно население.
Най-общо-това. Темата е МНОГО обширна.

P.S. If you have any difficulties with understanding it, I'll translate it in English.
If you would like, you may answer me in Russian.