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£20 billion in NHS cuts? Will doctors be sacked or the useless?

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Darling wants to slash the NHS bill by £20billion.


Do you think there'll be many layoffs in the accident and emergency or maternity wards?

Hospital wards to shut in secret NHS cuts - Telegraph



Do you think there'll be as much (if any) in administration? Or at the Viagra dispensaries, modern art departments or rabidly-PC gay and lesbian outposts of the NHS, to name a few?


Spending on NHS administration doubles | Healthcare Republic

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | NHS running costs increase by 30%

NHS pay for staff climbing | The Sun |News

Viagra is prescribed on NHS 1m times - Health News, Health & Families - The Independent

http://www.outlinesurrey.org/cruising.htm

North Staffordshire NHS - Parents Of Lesbian, Gay & Bisexual Children - Stoke-on-Trent City Council

http://www.action4men.org/mainguys.html

Contribution Of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual And Transgender Doctors To The NHS, Recognised By British Medical Association


(...Or for fat people who have eaten themselves too huge to get through doors, binge drinkers after new livers, underage girls and devoted followers of the liberal society after mountains of contraceptives and STD treatments, 60-a-day smokers clogging up the clinics..........)


Let's see where the Marxist 'Diversity' binge takes us!


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Republic of Public, what choice does the UK have at the moment?
 

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I'm not saying it doesn't have a choice. In another topic I made a few suggestions where cutbacks could be made, and I'm sure our masters with the budget books in front of them have all the real answers too.

But past experience shows that you can't really trust them to make cuts in the right places. Indeed, news stories of doctors and nurses given the boot as admin intakes soar have become a cliche amongst satirists. Jasper Carrott, Yes Minister, it's all been done.

And the latest Labour government seems to have done more than any other to encourage the creation of a huge number of state-sector non jobs, just to help fiddle the figures and have more people to threaten with the dole queue if they don't vote Labour.
 
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I'm not saying it doesn't have a choice. In another topic I made a few suggestions where cutbacks could be made, and I'm sure our masters with the budget books in front of them have all the real answers too.

But past experience shows that you can't really trust them to make cuts in the right places. Indeed, news stories of doctors and nurses given the boot as admin costs soar have become a cliche amongst satirists. Jasper Carrott, Yes Minister, it's all been done.
NHS cuts, while sad and regrettable, is the right thing to do.

But such a deep cut wouldn't have been required if we stopped the endless immigrants taking the piss out of the system.
 

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Indeed, immigration on a breathtaking scale has a massive impact on all sorts of things. But here's just some of its impact on the NHS and general health issues:

BBC NEWS | Health | NHS 'not ready for immigration'

Rise of drug-resistant tuberculosis in the UK 'is linked to immigration' | Mail Online

BBC NEWS | Health | Immigrant pregnancies stretch NHS

BBC NEWS | Health | Migration 'fuelling Hepatitis B'

Aidsmap | Non UK-born migrants are 'largely hidden' from NHS and have high burden of HIV, TB and malaria



And STILL we're supposed to believe that only a huge influx of demography-changing foreigners can save us now! Only bringing up, training and paying our own people right can save us now, as well as the Third World and Far East who we wouldn't have to shamefully raid for their best people.

Immigration rules blamed for starving hospitals of staff say NHS | Immigration Matters




The demands on the system imposed by health tourists also takes its toll.

Even as far back as 2003 health tourism was a problem thanks to our 'no upper limit' government, but only now are serious steps supposedly being taken. General Election perchance?

BBC NEWS | Health | 'Health tourism' rules unveiled

New rules to prevent health tourism in UK Hospital Dr
 
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Most of those immigrants pay taxes which pay for the NHS..

Are you saying that just because you are not a British national that you are not allowed to go to the hospital for which you have paid for in taxes? And how far back should we go? 1st generation, 2nd generation even if they are British citizens? How about Brits born in another country... they are after all not real Brits are they now!
 
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Most of those immigrants pay taxes which pay for the NHS..

Are you saying that just because you are not a British national that you are not allowed to go to the hospital for which you have paid for in taxes? And how far back should we go? 1st generation, 2nd generation even if they are British citizens? How about Brits born in another country... they are after all not real Brits are they now!
Actually, many immigrants here in Britain who are here illegally are being kept by the government, housed with your tax money, allowed to enter the country, are given benefits AND access to the NHS....this causes many billions of lost revenue a year, and is mounting huge pressure on social NHS services and the workforce in particular.

Obviously, only an idiot would oppose NHS for immigrants who pay taxes.
 

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Actually, many immigrants here in Britain who are here illegally are being kept by the government, housed with your tax money, allowed to enter the country, are given benefits AND access to the NHS....this causes many billions of lost revenue a year, and is mounting huge pressure on social NHS services and the workforce in particular.

Obviously, only an idiot would oppose NHS for immigrants who pay taxes.

I think it is pretty grim for illegal immigrants at the moment. I'm not an expert but I know a lot, if not all found illegal immigrants are now put in detention centres and we no longer allow anyone who does not have proof that they are in our system free health care - I am sure we would allow emergency but that is all.
 

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On any hospital ward, the daily round of paperwork and form-filling vital to patient safety is staggering. Employing a ward clerk (an admin role) to do it frees up valuable nursing time to be spent nursing patients instead of sitting at a desk. "Oh Noes!" screams the Daily Heil, "Illegal immigrant administrators are taking over the inefficient killer spendthift NHS!"
 

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Actually, many immigrants here in Britain who are here illegally are being kept by the government, housed with your tax money, allowed to enter the country, are given benefits AND access to the NHS....this causes many billions of lost revenue a year, and is mounting huge pressure on social NHS services and the workforce in particular.

Obviously, only an idiot would oppose NHS for immigrants who pay taxes.
Then freaking call them illegal immigrants lol, and not just "immigrants". All I see and saw was yet another xenophobic comment from someone on the right.. and I still suspect that it was.

As for illegals.. what to do with them. First off you cant just send them back to their country of origin, because most countries refuse to accept them back or are at war.. that is if you can figure out where they come from. You cant just kick them into no mands land and let them die.. What do you do with them?

And if they get sick.. do you refuse to treat them and let curable disease run rampant in the camps, spread to the guards and then spread to the general population?

Point is, blaming immigrants, illegal or not, for the ills of the UK economy and the UK in general, is nothing by scapegoating bull**** by xenophobic and often racist morons who dont have the intelligence to understand basic things.
 
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...And out comes the bile, just for ringing the alarm bell. The effect of large scale immigration is just one of the large calls on the public purse.

There are also many immigrants out of work or who are waiting for their citizenship to be approved. As far as I know they are still eligible for NHS treatment too.

It's a question of numbers more than what they are anyway. But still he's right on his point, there are too many using it who haven't paid in over their lifetime.
 

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As for illegals.. What do you do with them?
We could teasingly follow Andalablue's advice and adopt his prized communist policy of what Stalin called 'population transfer'. (Indeed, the illegals began the chain by transferring themselves over here in the first place! And through many a safe country too. That's some danger they're in!)

We bring the British citizens of the Falkland Islands to live in the mainland UK and put the illegals down there instead. That gives them a readymade community to live in, gets them out of our hair and would also make the islands the perfect gift to the Argentinians once a few more mini Sangattes fill the place!

It would satisfy the social-conditioning Left by not just evacuating the hated British from anywhere they live in the world, but also living up the Joint Tenancy Agreement set out by Labour to ensure top-notch housing with all mod cons for new arrivals!

Might even satisfy a few on the Right; uprooting a settled, peaceful and untroublesome British community notwithstanding.

Good idea? No? Well, it is Left Wing policy after all!
 
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...And out comes the bile, just for ringing the alarm bell. The effect of large scale immigration is just one of the large calls on the public purse.
Sorry but the numbers do not back you up.

In 2009 a total of 24250 applications of asylum were received in the UK. Hardly the massive influx that many claim. There are 28005 people being held in detention according to the statistics. Also a 15k+ each year are kicked out of the UK.

Considering the low numbers we are talking about, the UK would get far more savings by getting its lazy population off its asses than using asylum seekers and immigrants as an excuse for the problems of the UK. There is a reason that immigrants come to the UK.. there is work (or was) and often work that Britons do not want to do.

And like it or not a lot of the immigration into the UK comes from the EU, where there are millions Brits living freely. Yes there is a yearly net migration of a few hundred thousand as it stands now and half of those are non British citizens leaving to go back home or elsewhere.

But every Brit living abroad is using the healthcare and social systems of the countries they reside in. So in any economic model you have to factor this in. And according to the numbers I have seen 5.5 to 7 million Brits (thats 10% of your population pretty much) choose to live abroad and that is growing year after year.

In the end you have to look at this realistically and many xenophobes and racists in the anti-immigration part of the political sphere do not. I dont deny that immigrants bring crime and bad habits, but guess what, so do Brits abroad. But both also bring skills and workers that locals refuse to do for some reason, or simply cant because they dont have the skills or refuse to move for work.

In the end, my point is.. rather than focusing on a few thousand asylum seekers, how about focusing on the yobs and lazy sobs of Britain that cost Britain far more every year than a few thousand asylum seekers.
 

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We could teasingly follow Andalablue's advice and adopt his prized communist policy of what Stalin called 'population transfer'. (Indeed, the illegals began the chain by transferring themselves over here in the first place! And through many a safe country too. That's some danger they're in!)

We bring the British citizens of the Falkland Islands to live in the mainland UK and put the illegals down there instead. That gives them a readymade community to live in, gets them out of our hair and would also make the islands the perfect gift to the Argentinians once a few more mini Sangattes fill the place!

It would satisfy the social-conditioning Left by not just evacuating the hated British from anywhere they live in the world, but also living up the Joint Tenancy Agreement set out by Labour to ensure top-notch housing with all mod cons for new arrivals!

Might even satisfy a few on the Right; uprooting a settled, peaceful and untroublesome British community notwithstanding.

Good idea? No? Well, it is Left Wing policy after all!
No it is right wing policy. Started long ago by kings and queens, carried on by the new democracies like the US and UK and adopted by the USSR briefly. It is and always has been conservative policy to dictate where people could live.. especially the undesirables.
 

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Then freaking call them illegal immigrants lol, and not just "immigrants". All I see and saw was yet another xenophobic comment from someone on the right.. and I still suspect that it was.
No, my bad, your suspicion has been badly placed. I meant illegal immigrants, and im no rightist idiot. Im Turkish for christ sakes my grandma is an immigrant. But my grandparents didnt just stay at home waiting for there monthly tax payer stipend.
My grand dad opened a restraunt in Soho which earnt him bundles of wealth and my Grandma stayed at home, looked after her kids and sent them to school while my Grandpa was away working.

As for illegals.. what to do with them. First off you cant just send them back to their country of origin, because most countries refuse to accept them back or are at war.. that is if you can figure out where they come from. You cant just kick them into no mands land and let them die.. What do you do with them?
Educate them, put them in a civil service job, or secure them a job in the construction industry, not just keep them hauled up in council flats making babies.

And if they get sick.. do you refuse to treat them and let curable disease run rampant in the camps, spread to the guards and then spread to the general population?
Well because the government has made absolutely no effort to:

A) Secure there return where possible (if that country is not at war, if that country can gaurentee there safety on return)

B) Educate them in state run polytechnic Universities to learn english and a trade of there choice, so that they can earn a living, pay taxes. Give them a 5 year period. If they fail to graduate and find a job (with the help of the government), then we need to consider other routes.

So, yes, Polytechnic state run Universities will cost tax payer money, but the loss will only be short term, and the gain for both tax payers and the economy will be enormous in the long term.

Tell me, what is our government doing to achieve any of this?

Point is, blaming immigrants, illegal or not, for the ills of the UK economy and the UK in general, is nothing by scapegoating bull**** by xenophobic and often racist morons who dont have the intelligence to understand basic things.
In many areas they are correct, actually, like natives working for less and taking many jobs (like the Poles). But this is actually because the English labour force are by nature lazy drunken bastards. Other than that, yes, you will likely find those comments coming out of an NF skinheads mouth.
 
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No, my bad, your suspicion has been badly placed. I meant illegal immigrants, and im no rightist idiot. Im Turkish for christ sakes my grandma is an immigrant. But my grandparents didnt just stay at home waiting for there monthly tax payer stipend.
My grand dad opened a restraunt in Soho which earnt him bundles of wealth and my Grandma stayed at home, looked after her kids and sent them to school while my Grandpa was away working.
Okay. And good for your grandfather.

Educate them, put them in a civil service job, or secure them a job in the construction industry, not just keep them hauled up in council flats making babies.
Wait a minute here. Are we talking about illegals, asylum seekers or immigrants?

Because illegal immigrants in most countries are kicked home as fast as possible. Educating and making them learn English (or what ever language) does nothing but encourage them and others if you ask me. Unless said immigrants come from war torn countries or political oppressive countries, then these people should not get any incentive what so ever to stay. We should do everything to give incentives for them to go back home voluntarily and I believe that the UK government is doing that last I looked.

Asylum seekers are whole other issue. The true asylum seekers due to political problems in the home land, do more than often integrate quite well into society. The fake asylum seekers are more than often denied asylum and returned home when possible. Those that cant be returned home in the short or medium turn, yes they should be allowed to work and learn in society. Some countries do that, others do not. I dont know about the UK, but in Denmark they are allowed to do that.. well some are.

Real immigrants depending on how long they have been here, have the same rights as citizens for many social aspects and that is only fair since they have paid into the system via taxes. It is no different than Brits in Spain gaining access to Spanish healthcare, including free medicine because they pay their taxes here (dunno if they do but it is the principle).

You cant lump everything into one basket on this issue.

Well because the government has made absolutely no effort to:

A) Secure there return where possible (if that country is not at war, if that country can gaurentee there safety on return)
That is easier said than done. It requires that the birth country accepts them back and often that requires certain incentives by the British to do that.. Question is how much incentive is worth sending back a few thousand illegals. And the major problem is often... where are these people from? they often destroy any documentation of their origins, and then what? But the Uk does have agreements with countries to send people back, but there is a large portion that cant go home due to various reasons.

B) Educate them in state run polytechnic Universities to learn english and a trade of there choice, so that they can earn a living, pay taxes. Give them a 5 year period. If they fail to graduate and find a job (with the help of the government), then we need to consider other routes.
Again are what are we talking about? Do you really want to educate illegal immigrants and give them incentive to not only stay but to spread the word.. come to the UK and get a free education!

In many areas they are correct, actually, like natives working for less and taking many jobs (like the Poles). But this is actually because the English labour force are by nature lazy drunken bastards. Other than that, yes, you will likely find those comments coming out of an NF skinheads mouth.
Sorry but you are doing it also. The lumping in the same basket of illegals, asylum and real immigrants as far as I can see. Noting is black and white on this issue, and more than often the xenophobic morons and racists attempt to make it a black and white issue.
 

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Then freaking call them illegal immigrants lol, and not just "immigrants". All I see and saw was yet another xenophobic comment from someone on the right.. and I still suspect that it was.
Metalgear? on the right? lol, wow, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you are too far left?
 
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But this is actually because the English labour force are by nature lazy drunken bastards.
More slander. Many people are lazy, but kept that way by good benefits and no corrective against the will of the vast majority of the working and proud British public.

BBC News - Are jobless Brits scared by hard work?


But I wouldn't be surprised if there would be a growing number of frustrated British workers (or ex-workers), annoyed at being told once too often how they've failed to save Britain and so must have the unfair competition of hordes of cheap immigrants to spite them. And having a larger proportion of degrading sweatshop tasks awaiting skileld tradespersons can't do much good either. (Margarret Hodge told ex-car plant workers to go and stack shelves at Tesco after refusing to step in and save their plant, though her government was quick to save the greedy banks though.)

As I've said, why don't we all follow the Government's logic to its end by all resigning and letting the far superior-in-every-way immigrant workforce pay all our DHSS cheques?




Not that some have a choice:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Britons-pushed-unemployment-immigrants.html



And it's hardly as if they all have jobs, especially in these days:

Black men three times more likely to be jobless - Home News, UK - The Independent

Only 38% of British Muslims have jobs according to even the Guardian: Muslim attitudes survey: a closer look | Andrew Brown | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

National Statistics Online

If they were the majority population across the UK, as they are in many places like Slough already, how long would it be before they'd need to be displaced by even cheaper new immigrants themselves? 'More immigrants' is the only 'answer' we get given, but it only stores up more exponential trouble for later.



And there are, indeed, far many more illegal immigrants than is often touted by the Left:

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Illegal immigrant figure revealed

And this is just 2005: BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Illegal immigrant figure revealed

It's probably fiddled figures they use, a running trend: Government apologises over immigrant figures - Telegraph

...And just so I'm not accused of using older news: Gordon Brown last night accused of fiddling immigration figures after claiming the number of newcomers to Britain was falling Blog JURY TEAM



I'm not knocking the immigrants (except the illegals) as they were only effectively invited by the Government. (Indeed, the trade union TUC-ers even have a recruiting office in WARSAW, despite the rampaging unemployment here.) But with millions typically coming in every few years, with by far not all of them going back home in a recession and having higher birth rates than us, the real population explosion is still to come. And the Government should be the real target of abuse for this betrayal.

Exodus: A million Brits emigrate while three million enter | Mail Online

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-393282/Why-politicians-ignoring-immigration-timebomb.html


Forget nationality though. Can we really take a population of 70 million? And at such a quick rate of growth too?









(Anyway, this was about NHS cuts!)
 
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"There is no limit to immigration as long as there are fields to build on"

Hazel Blears, July 2007

(interview with Jon Gaunt, Talksport Radio)
 

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Metalgear? on the right? lol, wow, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you are too far left?
Learn to read and comprehend. Where did I state that I think Metalgear is right wing? No where. I stated that it sounds like the usual right wing crap and that is one hell of a difference.
 

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Wait a minute here. Are we talking about illegals, asylum seekers or immigrants?
We are talking about illegals here.

Because illegal immigrants in most countries are kicked home as fast as possible. Educating and making them learn English (or what ever language) does nothing but encourage them and others if you ask me. Unless said immigrants come from war torn countries or political oppressive countries, then these people should not get any incentive what so ever to stay.
I agree with you and i said this already, did i not? Look at my post and look at option A) where i stated the government should do everything to secure there return if they are not to be returned to a war torn country or a place where the person may face torture by authorities.

We should do everything to give incentives for them to go back home voluntarily and I believe that the UK government is doing that last I looked.
Do you propose we send back the ones that may face torture? Are you a supporter of Berlusconis policies, by any chance?

Asylum seekers are whole other issue. The true asylum seekers due to political problems in the home land, do more than often integrate quite well into society. The fake asylum seekers are more than often denied asylum and returned home when possible. Those that cant be returned home in the short or medium turn, yes they should be allowed to work and learn in society. Some countries do that, others do not. I dont know about the UK, but in Denmark they are allowed to do that.. well some are.
We should do our best to integrate and educate those who cannot leave because the return is greater for us and beneficial for our economy. As the status quo will have it, nothing is being done to send them back where it is POSSIBLE to do so, and where it is not possible, nothing is being done to help these people get a job and a financial secure lifestyle.

Real immigrants depending on how long they have been here, have the same rights as citizens for many social aspects and that is only fair since they have paid into the system via taxes. It is no different than Brits in Spain gaining access to Spanish healthcare, including free medicine because they pay their taxes here (dunno if they do but it is the principle).

You cant lump everything into one basket on this issue.
:doh

Pete you havent read anything i have said.
What did i say regarding those immigrants who are here legally and who are paying taxes?



That is easier said than done. It requires that the birth country accepts them back and often that requires certain incentives by the British to do that.. Question is how much incentive is worth sending back a few thousand illegals.
What the British is doing NOW is providing incentives for illegals. We giving them access to our social services, to our council estates and to tax payer benefits when they do not even have the level of English to get a job and earn a living in the country. Now thats providing incentives for illegals, not helping them integrate, get a job, contribute to the economy and stoping them from being a drain to our economy.
Those who are able to return because of the political state/level of stability of the native country must be sent back immediately with no further delays.

And the major problem is often... where are these people from? they often destroy any documentation of their origins, and then what? But the Uk does have agreements with countries to send people back, but there is a large portion that cant go home due to various reasons.
Then we do as i said.

STATE RUN POLYTECHNIC UNIVERISITIES.
LEARN ENGLISH.
EDUCATE.
5 YEAR PERIOD TO DO THIS AND EARN JOB WITH THE HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT IN LABOUR FORCE.
IF THIS FAILS THEN ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO BE EMPLOYED.



Again are what are we talking about? Do you really want to educate illegal immigrants and give them incentive to not only stay but to spread the word.. come to the UK and get a free education!
Im talking about the ones we cant send back, Pete. Read what i write, please, its terribly offensive argueing with your pointless statements which i have actually supported in previous posts.



Sorry but you are doing it also. The lumping in the same basket of illegals, asylum and real immigrants as far as I can see. Noting is black and white on this issue, and more than often the xenophobic morons and racists attempt to make it a black and white issue.
Are you denying Polish immigrants work longer for less? Yes or no, answer me that so i can be sure as to how ignorant you are to the facts and the realities of modern British life.
 
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More slander. Many people are lazy, but kept that way by good benefits and no corrective against the will of the vast majority of the working and proud British public.

BBC News - Are jobless Brits scared by hard work?


But I wouldn't be surprised if there would be a growing number of frustrated British workers (or ex-workers), annoyed at being told once too often how they've failed to save Britain and so must have the unfair competition of hordes of cheap immigrants to spite them. And having a larger proportion of degrading sweatshop tasks awaiting skileld tradespersons can't do much good either. (Margarret Hodge told ex-car plant workers to go and stack shelves at Tesco after refusing to step in and save their plant, though her government was quick to save the greedy banks though.)
If the British labour force isn't as lazy compared to there immigrant counterparts, they would put in more hours at lower rates and there wouldn't be this problem of cheap immigrants taking jobs. Our labour force has been spoilt, lets be honest. They aren't the tough, mustached English folk they once where in the 40's.

At the end of the day, its the country that benefits from cheaper labour from abroad. We aren't the losers here so dont make out we are. Those poles are tough little loyal dogs and i love them for it.

If your so concerned about your native workers, then maybe you should support foreign labour forces so that we can make goods cheaper and push the English labour force up to more blue collar positions. Didn't you say you wanted what was best for your countrymen? Exactly.
 
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We are talking about illegals here.
Okay.

I agree with you and i said this already, did i not? Look at my post and look at option A) where i stated the government should do everything to secure there return if they are not to be returned to a war torn country or a place where the person may face torture by authorities.
Okay. However anyone can claim that :) Plus most illegals as I have stated, destroy their identity papers so having a place to send them can be quite hard to find out.

Do you propose we send back the ones that may face torture? Are you a supporter of Berlusconis policies, by any chance?
Of course not. But that brings me to my point. Your definitions are lacking. People fleeing war or torture are legit asylum seekers and should be given all the possibility to integrate into society. However they are not illegal immigrants :) This is a huge definition difference. Illegal immigrants come here to Europe for a better life, work and so on, not fleeing war and political/religious/sexual persecution.

We should do our best to integrate and educate those who cannot leave because the return is greater for us and beneficial for our economy. As the status quo will have it, nothing is being done to send them back where it is POSSIBLE to do so, and where it is not possible, nothing is being done to help these people get a job and a financial secure lifestyle.
I agree, but 99% of illegal immigrants can return to their home country if we knew where they came from. What you are talking about here is asylum seekers... the real deal, not the fake economic type.

Pete you havent read anything i have said.
What did i say regarding those immigrants who are here legally and who are paying taxes?
I did and sorry but you are not every clear in the defining part.

What the British is doing NOW is providing incentives for illegals. We giving them access to our social services, to our council estates and to tax payer benefits when they do not even have the level of English to get a job and earn a living in the country. Now thats providing incentives for illegals, not helping them integrate, get a job, contribute to the economy and stoping them from being a drain to our economy.
Are you now? Are these true illegals, asylum seekers or migrants legally in the country? There is one hell of a difference. I dont know about the UK but in most countries, illegal immigrants that are picked up are put in prison/holding camps not in council estates. If the UK does that.. talk about brain dead policies... but they go back decades not just that of the Labour government.

Those who are able to return because of the political state/level of stability of the native country must be sent back immediately with no further delays.
As I said often that is not easy when they have no forms of identification on them.

Im talking about the ones we cant send back, Pete. Read what i write, please, its terribly offensive argueing with your pointless statements which i have actually supported in previous posts.
And I have stated you are not being very clear in your definitions. Those we cant send back due to war or what not, are asylum seekers not illegal immigrants. As for real illegal immigrants I agree fully, however it is not that simple. First you have to (as I stated) make a positive identification of who they are and where they are from, and then you have to have an agreement with said country of accepting back their own people. The first can be very very difficult and the second is pretty standard for most countries once identification has been established.

Are you denying Polish immigrants work longer for less? Yes or no, answer me that so i can be sure as to how ignorant you are to the facts and the realities of modern British life.
No I am not. However that is the free market for you.. as long as they meet local labour laws and minimum wage requirement then that is part of life. Not their fault that Brits are too lazy to work for less and longer.

Plus last I looked a huge portion of the Poles that did go to the UK have returned back home.

And regardless of that.... Poland is in the EU, and hence Poles can travel and work where they want within the EU, just like you can in Denmark, and I can in Spain and several million Brits do in the EU.
 

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It's as if protests over British workers being excluded from good jobs in the first place never existed:

Foreign workers row sparks wildcat strikes - Home News, UK - The Independent



More and more British workers don't have the chance or are unable to work even the worst jobs at the lowest wages possible. And why should they when they are so disrespected? For example, working migrants on short visas need pay less or no tax and can even have it refunded if they leave and return every few months.

On top of that wages are driven down by immigration and it churns up local job markets. Then we're supposed to just take the scraps after the 'superior' immigrants take the plum jobs, because they may not have been failed by their governments as much as we were even at school.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lames-East-European-influx.html#ixzz0cvB6Sv7K

Rural migrant workers 'drive out young' - Telegraph

Number of skilled migrants 'heading for Britain to take well-paid jobs will top 212,000 this year' | Mail Online

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Scandal of immigrants taking over our IT jobs , etc.



Anyone would think there's no recession on.

It's one of those foul Leftist propaganda drives to slander the British worker as lazy. Reds also had the 'oppertunity' to call them racist as well during the British Jobs strikes. But when they have their own country swiped from under their feet and then get insulted, it's little wonder there's grief.

"The country benefits", the liberal vermin say, but there are so many divisions and ghettos now that you have to ask which one.
 
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