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Please take a look at this graph and explain Vermont, etc. Thanks!!

The point is, they are rising. And they shouldn't be. The biggest rise in cases was in - of all places - Maine, with a 72 percent vaccination rate!! And that makes no sense at all because this is the time of year that most people are enjoying the outdoors in Maine. FLORIDA is going down, in part because the kids are headed back to school so all the vacationers are finally heading home. Florida had 26 MILLION visitors in the first three months of this year alone. And southern states are humid, with people clustered in air conditioning. So the northern states shouldn't be spiking the way they are. So it's definitely mask issue but with a doubt, these vaccines aren't doing the job. It's time for Big Pharma to fess up. Thanks!!

OMG...
Reality changes as a virus mutates.

What do you imagine "Big Pharma" must fess up to?

They knew the delta varient would act like it does?
 
The mask recommendation for the vacinated was lifted. This cause everyone to throw away their masks as Trumpists are dishonest as the day is long.
That they brought back the mask recommendation for indoors is of no relevance as the genie was already out of the battle

By the FDA?
 
In the first few days and weeks of Covid-19 nobody, not even the world's leading experts in virology and epidemiology, knew a damn thing about how the novel virus behaved. Nobody lied. The rest of your post is total partisan garbage. Rand Paul is an idiot.
Fauci either lied when he told us we shouldn't be wearing masks or he lied later when he said that he only said that to reserve the PPE supply for health care workers.

Keep turning a blind eye to it if you want, though.
 
I've posted it too many times to keep repeating myself to people who put their fingers in their ears and say "LA, LA, LA, LA."
Don't folks like you ever consider that the lies you push cost lives?
I ask this question in earnest.
 

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StateFirst doseFully vaccinatedTotal doses
United States62.3%53.0%374,488,924
Vermont76.4%68.1%877,406
Massachusetts75.7%66.3%9,527,318
Puerto Rico75.2%63.9%4,304,242
Hawaii74.7%55.7%1,799,439
Connecticut74.1%66.4%4,856,545
Rhode Island72.2%65.3%1,404,114
Maine72.0%66.2%1,755,264
New Mexico70.6%60.6%2,673,704
New Jersey70.4%62.0%11,103,350
Pennsylvania69.9%55.6%15,536,659
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To understand, you need to refer to the link to get the full picture. Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the nation. So why does it have such a high covid rate as of late?? I'll take a guess. Because vaccinated people don't seem to understand that they can STILL GET covid and spread it. So they don't wear masks and/or the vaccines may not be that effective. Thanks!!
You are 5 times more likely to get COVID if you are unvaccinated and you are 28 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID if you are unvaccinated. If you don't think vaccines don't work due to mild breakthrough infections, then you don't understand the roll of antibodies and the B-Cell response and vaccines.

Seriously, if you are not vaccinated, for your own health, you need to be.
 
Fauci either lied when he told us we shouldn't be wearing masks or he lied later when he said that he only said that to reserve the PPE supply for health care workers.

Keep turning a blind eye to it if you want, though.

You are no doubt referring to the dishonestly truncated interview where he spoke of people not needing masks to protect themselves.

You ignore the fact he clearly AND IN THE SAME INTERVIEW supported the use of masks for source control and indeed confirms masks are indeed part of the prevention of COVID.
 
Why don't you call Reuters and tell them that it's BS?? Reuters put together the stats, and it leans liberal. So go ahead, and tell Reuters it's all bs. Thanks!!
I said NOTHING ABOUT THE STATS!! It's your excuse to be anti vaccine. Yes people who are vaccinated can still catch the virus but they are infinitely more likely to have a mild version and avoid hospitalization and death. Those are the facts!!
 
You are no doubt referring to the dishonestly truncated interview where he spoke of people not needing masks to protect themselves.

You ignore the fact he clearly AND IN THE SAME INTERVIEW supported the use of masks for source control and indeed confirms masks are indeed part of the prevention of COVID.
60 Minutes dishonestly truncated an interview? Who knew?

I put his statement and his later admission in my sig.

Enjoy!
 
You are 5 times more likely to get COVID if you are unvaccinated and you are 28 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID if you are unvaccinated. If you don't think vaccines don't work due to mild breakthrough infections, then you don't understand the roll of antibodies and the B-Cell response and vaccines.

Seriously, if you are not vaccinated, for your own health, you need to be.
I never use nor acknowledge language like "5 times" or "28 times." Too vague and deliberately provocative. I believe you heard it or read it somewhere so i think you're in earnest, but I learned long ago that wording like that only serves a bias and is most assuredly inaccurate because it simply cannot be proven, which is why it's used. It's pie in the sky. Thanks!!
 
60 Minutes dishonestly truncated an interview? Who knew?

I put his statement and his later admission in my sig.

Enjoy!

Please stop playing stupid.

The YouTubes of "Fauci lying" are truncated.

He supported masking from the early days of COVID.

Claiming he didn't is at best ignorance and more likely intentional lying.
 
I never use nor acknowledge language like "5 times" or "28 times." Too vague and deliberately provocative. I believe you heard it or read it somewhere so i think you're in earnest, but I learned long ago that wording like that only serves a bias and is most assuredly inaccurate because it simply cannot be proven, which is why it's used. It's pie in the sky. Thanks!!

Numbers are "too vague" or "provocative"?

Laughable.
 
Thanks for making the case for everyone who has not gotten the vaccine. It's not proving to be the fix! It's not working as advertised and this has caused a huge lack of trust in those pushing the vaccine, pushing mask wearing, pushing shutdowns and social distancing. I suspect that it will improve if the politicians and medical talking heads get a little more open and honest. Fauci the man who gave us 10,000 differing opinions on everything covid, the man who help fund the Wuhan lab "gain of function" research and lied about it, has to go. He is a huge problem for those who are not getting the vaccine, TRUST, isn't Fauci.
Nonsense.

  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 369 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 30, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,218 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].
Facts.




 
I said NOTHING ABOUT THE STATS!! It's your excuse to be anti vaccine. Yes people who are vaccinated can still catch the virus but they are infinitely more likely to have a mild version and avoid hospitalization and death. Those are the facts!!
An excuse to be "anti vaccine??" Don't you have any interest in the truth?? Or are you so biased that you don't even want to explore the possibility that maybe there's more to the vaccine story?? And you know nothing about me. Your response indicates an avoidance of the topic in favor of insults, a closed mind and extreme bias. Thanks!!
 
An excuse to be "anti vaccine??" Don't you have any interest in the truth?? Or are you so biased that you don't even want to explore the possibility that maybe there's more to the vaccine story?? And you know nothing about me. Your response indicates an avoidance of the topic in favor of insults, a closed mind and extreme bias. Thanks!!


Intentional ignorance and misinformation are not the "truth".

Thanks.
 
An excuse to be "anti vaccine??" Don't you have any interest in the truth?? Or are you so biased that you don't even want to explore the possibility that maybe there's more to the vaccine story?? And you know nothing about me. Your response indicates an avoidance of the topic in favor of insults, a closed mind and extreme bias. Thanks!!
What truth? I admit the vaccine is far from perfect especially against newer variants. It still provides excellent protection. I believe SouthernDemocrat posted the stats. What have you got other than excuses?
 
That is why both sides should be more humble.

Nobody -- nobody! -- should be so cocksure.

We are learning as we go along.

Being overly militant only angers more people and makes things worse.

(Just read that Israel is considering a 4th boaster shot!!!)
Israel should not be giving 4th booster shots in this short a period of time. The vaccines are obviously not lasting, but tweaking an immune system to that degree?? We don't even do that to 1200 pound livestock. Thanks!!
 
I never use nor acknowledge language like "5 times" or "28 times." Too vague and deliberately provocative. I believe you heard it or read it somewhere so i think you're in earnest, but I learned long ago that wording like that only serves a bias and is most assuredly inaccurate because it simply cannot be proven, which is why it's used. It's pie in the sky. Thanks!!
The fact is that virtually everyone hospitalized with COVID is unvaccinated.
 
Israel should not be giving 4th booster shots in this short a period of time. The vaccines are obviously not lasting, but tweaking an immune system to that degree?? We don't even do that to 1200 pound livestock. Thanks!!
Boosters are given for immediate antibody responses, not because the vaccines aren’t working.
 
To understand, you need to refer to the link to get the full picture. Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the nation. So why does it have such a high covid rate as of late?? I'll take a guess. Because vaccinated people don't seem to understand that they can STILL GET covid and spread it. So they don't wear masks and/or the vaccines may not be that effective. Thanks!!
Based on the data from your own link, Vermont doesn't have a high COVID rate, recently or overall. The cases to date for Vermont reads 4,647 per 100K (compared to 12,086 per 100K nationally) and the cases for the week ending 5th Sept, they're 163.8 per 100K (compared to 344.8 per 100K nationally).

I mean, all of this is rather meaningless without context. Vaccination rates will be far from the only significant factor and there will be a massive range of things that cause rates to vary between and within states.
 
Yes, it's complacency-'I'm vaccinated thus safe'. Sadly not, as you correctly point out.
You have to define 'safe' I have been vaccinated, so generally speaking ( as opposed to in absolute terms), I am safe from emergency rooms, hospitals, ventilators and the morgue. I am not safe from a loss of taste, fever, achy muscles, coughing, congestion, headache, and a limited series of really miserable days at home.
 
What truth? I admit the vaccine is far from perfect especially against newer variants. It still provides excellent protection. I believe SouthernDemocrat posted the stats. What have you got other than excuses?
There are no excuses. There is a glaring discrepancy between states with high vaccination rates and the spread of covid. And that spread means that people had to be suffering from it for the state to report them as covid positive or they wouldn't be included in those numbers. So my question is, WHY. I think not wearing masks is only part of it. I think the lack of social distancing is part of it but I also think the vaccines are meeting more and more resistance, and their efficacy is waning. Thanks!!
 
Israel should not be giving 4th booster shots in this short a period of time. The vaccines are obviously not lasting, but tweaking an immune system to that degree?? We don't even do that to 1200 pound livestock. Thanks!!

Why not?

They care about the health of the people.
 
Don't folks like you ever consider that the lies you push cost lives?
I ask this question in earnest.
How does posting (and proving) that Fauci said we don't need to be walking around wearing masks then later admitted he only said that in order to reserve the PPE supply cost lives?

Please be specific in connecting those dots.
 
It's not working as advertised and this has caused a huge lack of trust in those pushing the vaccine, pushing mask wearing, pushing shutdowns and social distancing.
The vaccines are working as advertised. It was never advertised as 100% effective. The Delta variant is much more virulent than previous variants and vaccinated people are catching it but largely they are not getting very sick.

The most significant data would be the number of vaccinated vs nonvaccinated catching Covid and of that number, the percent hospitized vs not hospitalized. We track at that level of detail in Ontario (which enjoys quite a high vaccination rate) and the numbers are clear. The numbers of unvaccinated catching it is exponentially more than the vaccinated as is the numbers of those hospitalized and in ICU's. The bump in cases is being primarily driven by the unvaccinated.

We aren't where we need to be largely due to the unvaccinated and as a result our very conservative Premier is imposing a vaccine passport requirement September 21st. It seems to be the stick those unvaccinated needed as vaccination appointments have doubled since he announced it.
 
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