Zohran Mamdani Stuns Andrew Cuomo In NYC Mayoral Primary

[ajn678]

It must be terrible to be that ignorant and hateful.

The trouble with this is that they are usually too stupid to realize it so they live in ignorance.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Idk about thrlese brown muslimsy people we need white christian souls like drumpf

 

[dseag2]

Mamdani was most notably endorsed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), both democratic socialists who’ve ridden populist waves in recent years.

Mamdani’s campaign offered a relentless focus on pocket-book issues: He promised to freeze the rent for millions of rent-regulated tenants in the city, make city buses free, provide free child care, and establish a city-run grocery store in every borough,

And Trump also campaigned on pocket-book issues, like bringing down prices He promised to end the Russia/Ukraine war and not enter into any wars. He hasn't done any of that, yet he was elected, so what's your point?

 

[Anthony60]

The "boiling frog" meme is a lie - a frog will jump out of a pot of water as soon as it becomes the slightest bit uncomfortablely warm.

The rest of your post is nonsense, too.

If only Democrats were as smart as the frog.

 

[Felis Leo]

Wow, I really really REALLY don't want to like what you're saying.
Give me the sadz
But you might be right.

"I did not begin voting Democratic only to..."

Wait WHAT?????????
Mind blown, I always thought you were one of the principled trad-conservatives I had respect for.
Have you strolled on over to The Dark Side a little while ago?
Or was I mistaken the entire time?

Oh yeah, you had taken a bit of a hiatus. In the intervening time I went from being a traditional free-market Chicago School conservative slowly to an independent and then to a left-wing progressive populist with nary a backwards glance. I voted Democratic for the President and down-ballot for the first time in November 2024...For all the good it did, especially here in Central Valley.

To be clear, I want Medicare for All, and I think Americans should settle for nothing less.

I may have to sit down and rethink a lot of things.

Sigh, I need to listen to you a little more, because wanting Newsom to kick some ass is apparently clouding my judgment on the guy and if I am wrong, I like to admit it.
If I make a mistake in judgment I like to admit it too but it stings a little less...but it still does sting a bit.

Listen, if Gavin Newsom does more than posture and pontificate and actually accomplishes some good progressive policy during his remaining tenure making life better for the vast majority of Californians, I will praise him. But not until then, I will hold him at bay like the eel I have come to see him as. Simply having a (D) next to your name does not cut the mustard for me. I want people like Tim Walz, who do not just talk the talk but walk the walk.

 

[j brown's body]

More R’s are against the idea of universal healthcare (Medicare-for-all) than not, but many do support a hybrid public/private option.

Because they know it’s a losing proposition, electorally.

I remember they were all up in arms over Obamacare because it allowed people the freedom to quit their jobs if their healthcare sucked.

Keeping people's noses to the grind stone. That's what they wanna see,..

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I remember they were all up in arms over Obamacare because it allowed people the freedom to quit their jobs if their healthcare sucked.

Keeping people's noses to the grind stone. That's what they wanna see,..

Those right wingers are happiest when looking down their noses and laughing at the misery of others that don’t look or sound like them.

 

[Felis Leo]

Should go without saying that there can be no “fruitful policy” enacted by Progressives and Leftists if they’re not in power to do so.

So true.

Appealing to the majority of American voters is essential to gaining that power.

Totally agreed.

I am certain that we can do anything we put our collective efforts towards.

I am glad you agree with me on that.

I was just stating the obvious, that what works in other countries would not necessarily be feasible or desired here.

Well, I think we should give these programs an honest try. If it does not work, we can always cease them later. But universal/single-payer healthcare has huge support. The Democrats would be insane not to make that a core part of their political platform.

He was until he wasn’t.

Sanders had the same opportunity as his opponents in ‘16 and ‘20.

Well, I am happy to put everything behind a Progressive Presidential candidate in 2028.

Not meaning to be pedantic, but that’s not accurate.

Maine and Nebraska split their electoral votes.

Split Electoral Votes in Maine and Nebraska - 270toWin

While most states allocate electoral votes in an all or none manner to the popular vote winner, Maine and Nebraska take a different approach.

www.270towin.com

Hey I am pedantic all the time, RaleBulgarian. And you are right, I totally forgot about the "Blue Dot" phenomenon in Nebraska and I did not even know about Maine's system. I spoke too flippantly.

I doubt I could convince you that there are Americans of every and no political ideology that do believe in anything good and act upon those beliefs, so I won’t bother trying.

You know, you are right. I was speaking out of anger and contempt. There are some moderate and liberal Democratic politicians who have not been too far ground-down with donor money who still have souls and push good legislation or policies here and there. There are some independents who do as well. As long as people are willing to (1) stand and fight against the fascist Republican Party and Donald Trump, AND (2) support or at least not stand in the way of progressive policies aimed at bettering the lives of all Americans, I am willing to extend the hand of alliance if not friendship to them.

 

[uptower]

The horror...

 

[Hello My Son]

thats not an argument.

Okay, cool.

 

[Hello My Son]

Yes it is.

Our Founders, who ****ed up a few things like slavery and the Electoral College, created a system where you can get less votes and win.

It's a participation prize system in some years.

Nah, it's just that our country was never meant to be a centralized, federalist system that allowed any one subgroup or region to fully dominate over another subgroup or region. If you want uber liberal policies, move to a deep blue city or state. If you want something different, move to a different place.

But whether you're a deep blue or deep red affiliate, don't fool yourself into thinking you're entitled to dictate what everyone else should get across the entire 50 states. It doesn't work that way, nor should it.

NYC socialists have no idea what people in the middle of nowhere Wyoming need, but for some reason you people want to try and control that. Meanwhile, people in the middle of nowhere Wyoming aren't trying to elbow their way into NYC policies and tell them how to run their cities. It's a one-way problem, and it's a major reason why leftists don't have nationwide appeal. They have no viability outside of their groupthink circles. Hence why they have to rely on shoving their policies down everyone's throat against their will.

 

[Hello My Son]

Your repetition is monotonous, you start this "argument" with an unstated supposition, what policies?

Again, even using your convoluted construction of how the EC came about, where do you get the idea that voting by the delegates of the EC is based on candidate policy?

Again, the same unfounded supposition

Where in the **** do you get the idea that oligarchy/plutocracies are a "far left policy"?

That is so weird. Do you think Putin is running a far left system?

This is really wacky, I had no idea you thought this way.

Its funny that you characterize far left ideology as something yuppies created. Yuppies were Raygunites, I guess I'm too old to understand that it has been inserted right under my nose within the party.

I learn so much here

If far-leftism was so popular, you wouldn't be overcompensating in posts to me and beating your chest about how great it is. It's like a person telling someone how smart or cool they are. If you have to tell everyone, it just isn't true.

This overcompensation is duly noted, but it won't change the reality of what I've already described. Either you guys evolve and develop policies that have national appeal (which is only possible if you actually try to understand and meet the needs of a very diverse electorate) while strategizing how to win in the E.C., or you will continue to fail (and presumably continue to stupidly blame everyone else but yourselves for having abysmal policies and strategies). Your collective fate is up to the far-left supporters and politicians. Good luck.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Well, I think we should give these programs an honest try. If it does not work, we can always cease them later. But universal/single-payer healthcare has huge support. The Democrats would be insane not to make that a core part of their political platform.

Ideas for universal (Medicare-for-all) single-payer government run healthcare haven’t ever polled very well.

This poll is a couple of years old, but I believe the percentages likely have remained stable.

Preference for Private Healthcare System Over Government-Run Persists​

A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage. Yet nearly as many, 53%, prefer that the U.S. healthcare system be based on private insurance rather than run by the government.

These findings are in line with recent attitudes about the government’s involvement in the healthcare system, which have been relatively steady since 2015.

At the same time that Americans see a government role in ensuring universal U.S. healthcare coverage, they prefer that the nation’s healthcare system be based on private insurance rather than run by the government. Currently, 53% of U.S. adults prefer a private system, while 43% support a government-run system. Since 2010, when the measure was first tracked, the public has consistently favored private insurance, with just one exception: In 2017, U.S. adults were evenly divided in their preferences.

Majority in U.S. Still Say Gov't Should Ensure Healthcare

A majority of U.S. adults continue to think the federal government should ensure universal healthcare coverage, while they also prefer that the U.S. healthcare system be based on private insurance rather than government-run.

news.gallup.com

If the Dems choose to include what would be a massive change to how healthcare is provided in America, they’re going to have to appeal to the majority, which includes conservatives and right leaning Independents.

Well, I am happy to put everything behind a Progressive Presidential candidate in 2028.

Careful what you wish for. “Too Progressive” will turn off moderates.

You know, you are right. I was speaking out of anger and contempt. There are some moderate and liberal Democratic politicians who have not been too far ground-down with donor money who still have souls and push good legislation or policies here and there. There are some independents who do as well. As long as people are willing to (1) stand and fight against the fascist Republican Party and Donald Trump, AND (2) support or at least not stand in the way of progressive policies aimed at bettering the lives of all Americans, I am willing to extend the hand of alliance if not friendship to them.

I get it. Genuinely unAmerican MAGAts are absolutely worthy of contempt/derision, which I sometimes too freely express.

As a lifelong Independent, I’ve always ignored Parties and voted based on who I believed would do the best job (or least harm) for Americans, ready to extend a hand to anyone that believes the same.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Oh yeah, you had taken a bit of a hiatus. In the intervening time I went from being a traditional free-market Chicago School conservative slowly to an independent and then to a left-wing progressive populist with nary a backwards glance. I voted Democratic for the President and down-ballot for the first time in November 2024...For all the good it did, especially here in Central Valley.

 

[Hatuey]

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The horror...

We are all gonna dieeeeeeeeee.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

And my point is that single payer is Government run healthcare. It's like our current system, but no options. Fun!



Not really true. Wait times for care is long in those countries and specialized care can take forever. The US is projected to have a shortage of about 120,000 doctors and 170,000 nurses y 2030 while Europe is current facing a combined shortage of 1.2 million nurses and doctors today.

There is a kind of special delusion among the single payer supporters who think we can cut US healthcare spending significantly without losing a significant portion of our healthcare workforce and reducing the level of care in the process.



It's a fact. The Government is just as controlling of care as private insurers are. In fact they are probably more so. If the government formulary doesn't have the medicine or treatment you need you are SOL. And if you are in Canada you might be offered suicide as an alternative.



Single payer systems around of the globe are suffering from catastrophically slow care due to understaffing. That is probably because an RN in the US makes an average of $94k while the same nurse in Canada makes more like $70k



I didn't insist you talk about it, I said that people do talk about it. This is another kind of funny attempt by you where you are claim to object to me putting words in your mouth and then blame me for your choice of argument.

You didn't have to stick up for Government run healthcare, you chose to.



Cool, as the old joke goes, 80% of Veterans support the VA and the other 20% are sick.

I haven't met many veterans who likes the level of care they get at the VA. The reason that "like" it is because it's free, not because the care is better than private.
https://www.google.com/search?q=maj...CDI3NzVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Right, I misspoke. Neither active duty nor veterans are all that thrilled with their level of government care, but for different reasons. Anyway, I didn't bring up the VA, you did.

You already proved that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Nordic countries aren't Socialist, they are Capitalist. Having social programs is not Socialism.

Also, regarding the first link, a ranking of countries in spreadsheet form when none of the listed criteria appear to be used in the ranking is pretty useless. Why would they rank a country with lower population, lower per capita income, lower GDP growth and higher trade imbalance above a country with higher population, GDP growth, per capita income and lower trade imbalance?

I would assume that the unlisted criteria (assuming they used one... since I can't find an explanation on the page either) is corporate tax burden.

The Nordic countries have a mix economy. While an American politicians suggesting for example universal health care, free university studies, five weeks payed vacations, 480 days parental leave and tenant negotiatiated rents would likely be considered a socialist. While the Nordic countries can combine it with strong and innovative economies with trade surplus.

There also for example strong unions benefit workers while also lead to more flexibility as well as less government regulation and labor conflicts for business.

The Swedish Trade Union Confederation - The Collective Agreement

The Importance of Collective Agreements in Sweden.

www.lo.se

 

[Hatuey]

The Nordic countries have a mix economy. While an American politicians suggesting for example universal health care, free university studies, five weeks payed vacations, 480 days parental leave and tenant negotiatiated rents would likely be considered a socialist. While the Nordic countries can combine it with strong and innovative economies with trade surplus.

There also for example strong unions benefit workers while also lead to more flexibility as well as less government regulation and labor conflicts for business.

The Swedish Trade Union Confederation - The Collective Agreement

The Importance of Collective Agreements in Sweden.

www.lo.se

You mean the world has not ended in some countries just because people can relax 5 weeks out of the year and go to school for free?

Unthinkable. I demand answers.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not really true. Wait times for care is long in those countries and specialized care can take forever.

Alternative facts.
Private sector for profit insurance boards can and do delay even the most routine procedure by prolonging a claim denial, but in some universes I guess that doesn't count as a delay, such as in the Universe of Alternative Facts.

You work on a military base but you don't know that active duty military can't use the VA, you spin watered down Bill O'Reilly style snark in response to FACTUAL reporting that VA care outperforms private sector care, and you tell anecdotes about wait times in single payer countries while expecting Americans to pretend that stretched out claim denials and appeals do not count as wait times, and you ignore the fact that almost a third of what a doctor charges is used to pay a team that does nothing but talk to insurance companies all day long.

This has been beaten to death for twenty years or more and therefore by recycling Joe Lieberman arguments it amounts to stealth sealioning.
I won't be responding further because the facts are the facts and you're allergic to them,
Have a nice day.

 

[markdc]

Dems need pay attention to what this signals to them the next 4 yrs and tRump will turn a deeper shade of orange at the thought of a progressive becoming mayor of NY especially because he won't be able to pronounce Mamdani's name.

Zohran Mamdani Stuns Andrew Cuomo In NYC Mayoral Primary

Despite a massive cash advantage and the backing of many establishment Democrats, former Gov. Andrew Cuomo conceded a stunning defeat at the hands of a left-wing newcomer.

www.huffpost.com

I hear that Mamdani wants to impose a $30 minimum wage in New York City and have government-run grocery stores. No matter who runs in the general election, I predict that he will win and become the next mayor. I’ve heard that he's an incredibly gifted and charismatic politician, and we know that in America, those things matter more than policy in elections. When he goes to Gracie Mansion, if you live in the Big Apple, you’d better kiss your economy goodbye. And lord knows what this guy’s going to do on crime (though I can guess).
Btw, I read that Mamdani is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Isn’t that the same party that held a rally in NYC that praised Hamas after the Oct. 7 massacre?

Mark

 

[jmotivator]

Alternative facts.
Private sector for profit insurance boards can and do delay even the most routine procedure by prolonging a claim denial, but in some universes I guess that doesn't count as a delay, such as in the Universe of Alternative Facts.

Again, you are making my point. You now admit that insurance controls healthcare. Therefor, in a single payer system the government controls healthcare. All the same things you level against insurance companies you will see in single payer systems around the world.. you just have a naive notion that the Government will actually give a shit about you for once. They won't. In fact the government will care more about you as a regulatory agent of private insurers then they ever would when they have to balance a budget. That's how you get to "We can't provide you that service at this time, have you considered suicide"

You work on a military base but you don't know that active duty military can't use the VA, you spin watered down Bill O'Reilly style snark in response to FACTUAL reporting that VA care outperforms private sector care, and you tell anecdotes about wait times in single payer countries while expecting Americans to pretend that stretched out claim denials and appeals do not count as wait times, and you ignore the fact that almost a third of what a doctor charges is used to pay a team that does nothing but talk to insurance companies all day long.

You speak about me like you know me. You draw way too much inference from a misstatement. The point being that active duty and veterans get their medical treatment from the Government and neither like. You post a poll that shows veterans like the VA and never bother to dig down into what it is about the VA that the like. People tend to support things that they earned and get more insistent on quality for things they pay for.

It should also be pointed out that the cost per-veteran for VA healthcare is $12,000-$14,000. Any marginal improvement between private and VA healthcare would be expected in a plan that, were it rolled out to the general population, would cost roughly $5 trillion. That is the size of the current US health sector, but that health sector costs includes a lot of medical expenses that the VA doesn't have to provide. As a comparison, the UK spends ~$4500 per person.

This has been beaten to death for twenty years or more and therefore by recycling Joe Lieberman arguments it amounts to stealth sealioning.
I won't be responding further because the facts are the facts and you're allergic to them,
Have a nice day.

LOL. "Stealth Seelioning" I'm not asking you any questions.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Ok, I’ll bite.

Post a list of “democratic socialist policies” and statistics showing majority support.

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

From government-mandated paid maternity leave to tuition free college, the CNBC All-America Economic Survey reveals a surprising American appetite for some very progressive policies.

www.cnbc.com

Working-Class and College-Educated Voters Want New Progressive Economic Policies

Working-class and college-educated voters support progressive economic policies such as a higher minimum wage, stronger unions, higher taxes on the rich, greater public investment in infrastructure, and an expanded social safety net.

www.americanprogress.org

Americans’ Views of Government’s Role: Persistent Divisions and Areas of Agreement

Most Biden supporters favor a bigger government with a strong social safety net. Trump backers generally take the opposing view.

www.pewresearch.org

It’s just a matter of the right messenger like in NYC.

 

[jmotivator]

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

From government-mandated paid maternity leave to tuition free college, the CNBC All-America Economic Survey reveals a surprising American appetite for some very progressive policies.

www.cnbc.com

Working-Class and College-Educated Voters Want New Progressive Economic Policies

Working-class and college-educated voters support progressive economic policies such as a higher minimum wage, stronger unions, higher taxes on the rich, greater public investment in infrastructure, and an expanded social safety net.

www.americanprogress.org

Americans’ Views of Government’s Role: Persistent Divisions and Areas of Agreement

Most Biden supporters favor a bigger government with a strong social safety net. Trump backers generally take the opposing view.

www.pewresearch.org

It’s just a matter of the right messenger like in NYC.

Wow, most people support free stuff? I'm shocked!

Majority of Children Support progressive policies such as 'ice cream dinners' and 'every day is Christmas' ... same energy.

I wonder if those polls explained to the participants what the actual cost of "free" would be? Probably not.

 

[uptower]

...and here come the birth certificate demands

 

[The Brad Dad]

Wow, most people support free stuff? I'm shocked!

Majority of Children Support progressive policies such as 'ice cream dinners' and 'every day is Christmas' ... same energy.

I wonder if those polls explained to the participants what the actual cost of "free" would be? Probably not.

Feel free to leave and go live on an libertarian island where you pay for your own stuff and call your own 9/11 and don’t’ bother us as we enjoy all the “free stuff” that we all work and pay taxes for.