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Zohran Mamdani is using George Orwell's "Animal Farm" as his playbook

You believe Animal Farm was not a warning about the extremes of Socialism?

George Orwell was a democratic socialist who warned about Stalinist/autocratic communism. You do realize there are left-libertarians/anarchists/minarchists/dem-socs who are major critics of left-autocracies, yes...? You do realize there are almost NO Stalinists/Maoists in the forum, yes?
 
George Orwell was a democratic socialist who warned about Stalinist/autocratic communism. You do realize there are left-libertarians/anarchists/minarchists/dem-socs who are major critics of left-autocracies, yes...? You do realize there are almost NO Stalinists/Maoists in the forum, yes?
See post 99. "Stalinist/autocratic communism" is Marxist socialism.
 
See post 99. "Stalinist/autocratic communism" is Marxist socialism.

"Marxist socialism" is too broad of a term. There are literally Marxist-anarchists. A better term for what you refer to would be "Marxist-Leninists."
 
"Marxist socialism" is too broad of a term. There are literally Marxist-anarchists. A better term for what you refer to would be "Marxist-Leninists."
No, it's not too broad. Your difficulty with it is that it's too accurate.
 
So you're just gonna act like a stubborn a-hole about it... got it. Why do I bother talking to you?
I'm not the one stubbornly ignoring the definition of Marxist Socialism. It's not a term I've made up.

Here's an AI breakdown of the term. Does is read familiar to you?
AI Overview

Marxist socialism, as defined by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, is a stage of societal development characterized by the public or worker ownership of the means of production. It's viewed as a transitional phase moving towards communism, where the "law of value" (which governs capitalist production) is replaced by production for use-value, directly satisfying human needs. This involves the abolition of commodity production and the overcoming of capitalist exploitation and alienation.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Public/Worker Ownership:
    Marxist socialism advocates for social ownership of the means of production (e.g., land, factories, infrastructure). This can take the form of state ownership or worker cooperatives.

    • Transition from Capitalism:
      Marx believed that socialism would emerge as a result of the internal contradictions and crises of capitalism.
    • Production for Use-Value:
      Instead of producing goods primarily for profit (as in capitalism), socialist production would focus on meeting the needs of society.
    • Abolition of Exploitation:
      Marxist socialism aims to eliminate the exploitation of labor by capital, where workers are paid less than the value they produce.
    • Overcoming Alienation:
      Socialism seeks to address the alienation of workers from their labor, the products of their labor, and their fellow workers, which Marx saw as a consequence of capitalist production.
    • Lower Stage of Communism:
      For many Marxist thinkers, socialism is the lower stage of communism, preceding a higher stage where the state withers away and a communist society is established. This higher stage is characterized by "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
In essence, Marxist socialism is a vision of a society where the means of production are controlled by the people, production is geared towards social needs, and exploitation and alienation are overcome.
 
I'm not the one stubbornly ignoring the definition of Marxist Socialism. It's not a term I've made up.

Here's an AI breakdown of the term. Does is read familiar to you?

None of this debunks my points. Try again.
 
It was a warning against Marxist forms of Socialism, and he caught a great deal of flak from his Socialist contemporaries at the time for writing Animal Farm.

Orwell, like many others, thought those forces could be tamed by adding the prefix "Democratic." I don't share that view. I believe human rights are at risk when property rights are not protected.
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Our founders fully understood the importance of rights associated with property ownership, in fact, they certainly advocated a fundamental purpose of a legitimate government is to protect rights associated with property ownership, e.g. Representative Giles, speaking before Congress on February 3rd, 1792 emphatically points out:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.”

Does Zohran Mamdan support and defend rights associated with property ownership? That is the important question to be answered.
 
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:ROFLMAO: Oh, my goodness. This is how low the bar is for socialism - Bolivia is a socialist success story.

Average gdp for south america is only 10k per capita but Bolivia's gdp per capita is around $3500. That makes it one of the poorer countries in south america.
Are the people cared for? Are they happy?
Sorry, you need more than good feelings to demonstrate causation, especially when there is a mountain of real world evidence demonstrating that socialism leads to poverty and authoritarianism.
Show us the mountain.
 
Does Zohran Mamdan support and defend rights associated with property ownership? That is the important question to be answered.
Mamdani advances no policies that take property from owners and transfer it to the government.
 
Mamdani advances no policies that take property from owners and transfer it to the government.
Mamdani's plan is to end NYC's taxes? I didn't know that. Do you have a link?
 
The main difference between Marxists and democratic socialists is how they intend to impose socialism. Marxists believe in revolution, while democratic socialists prefer to win elections.
And democratic socialists aren’t necessarily Marxists.
 
You are confused.

Now I see why you get your information from you tube videos.

Not confused. I'm just waiting for that link to confirm your comment that "Mamdani advances no policies that take property from owners . . . "

 
There is more to Marxism than the ideological arguments made in support of it by Zohran Mamdani, which are made to gather the peoples’ support.

The arguments made are nothing more than a con game by Mamdani to acquire power, and once acquiring that power will live in luxury as the chosen one who is in charge of re-distributing the wealth people have produced.

George Orwell’s Animal Farm is a tutorial on this ancient rope-a-dope con game, which Zohran Mamdani is now perpetrating on the people of NYC.


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The good people of Cuba fell for Mamdani’s type of game in 1959 when Fidel Castro took over, and they are still paying the price to this very day.


Comrade Mamdani makes Bane from The Dark Knight Rises look like Ayn Rand.

One thing I love about Animal Farm is that not only was it an eviscerating critique of Communism, it was also one of Christian Reactionaries. Symbolized by the raven Moses and his “Sugar Candy Mountain” fairy tale, Orwell showed how they use religion to fool the working masses into accepting their servile position by promising them a reward in the afterlife.

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Comrade Mamdani makes Bane from The Dark Knight Rises look like Ayn Rand.

One thing I love about Animal Farm is that not only was it an eviscerating critique of Communism, it was also one of Christian Reactionaries. Symbolized by the raven Moses and his “Sugar Candy Mountain” fairy tale, Orwell showed how they use religion to fool the working masses into accepting their servile position by promising them a reward in the afterlife.

Mark
So Orwell’s genius was not only to satirize Marxism, but to adopt one of its precepts, i.e., religion as the opiate of the people. His analysis has been contradicted at various times by various religions. The liberation theology of Catholicism posits that humans are here to act in the world, with, for example, the poor allowed or even mandated to analyze their reality and act to change it if they so wish.

As to Mandami, one of the constants in US politics is the right’s freak out over new or significantly different leadership, be it FDR and his New Deal, first-Black-guy Obama and the birtherism his candidacy inspired, or a socialist type elected as mayor of NYC.

Chicken Little lives on.
 
Not confused. I'm just waiting for that link to confirm your comment that "Mamdani advances no policies that take property from owners . . . "
You want me to prove he doesn’t have those policies by posting links showing that he doesn’t have those policies?

Do you realize what a phenomenally stupid request that is?
 
George Orwell was a democratic socialist who warned about Stalinist/autocratic communism. You do realize there are left-libertarians/anarchists/minarchists/dem-socs who are major critics of left-autocracies, yes...? You do realize there are almost NO Stalinists/Maoists in the forum, yes?
Mamdani is an actual communist, not a "democratic socialist" or whatever soft-pedaling euphemism he is using at the moment.
And democratic socialists aren’t necessarily Marxists.
Mamdani is.



In case it's not clear from the hammer-and-sickle iconography, the red attire, or the #communist hashtag, the (M) in CPI(M) stands for Marxist.
 
You’ve never read Animal Farm.

But you know about it from You Tube videos.

The younger generation is doomed.
Couldn't get through the first three pages of Das Kapital either but he knows all about Marxism.
 
NYC's government libraries prefer to groom grade school children with drag queen exhibitions



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Mamdani is an actual communist, not a "democratic socialist" or whatever soft-pedaling euphemism he is using at the moment.

Mamdani is.



In case it's not clear from the hammer-and-sickle iconography, the red attire, or the #communist hashtag, the (M) in CPI(M) stands for Marxist.

Am I to assume that he supported some Marxist candidate elsewhere? Ok. Get back when he nationalized the stock market.
 
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