And no, I am not kidding you. However I should add that following someone that is suspicious should only be done when you are in your immediate local community. Not the whole town, city, country, whatever. The reason for this is that if you are a conscientious neighbor you know your immediate neighbors (at the very least thier faces) and who generally comes and goes. You however do not know who belongs and doesn't belong in any other part of the town, city, country, whatever.
i'm 26 and live in Pennsylvania
I didn't write or have anything to do with the laws in place in florida nor the climate of racial tension there
so I ask politely, why should I share any of the blame at all for this?
George Zimmerman found not guilty
I still think that Zimmerman created the situation and Trayvon died as a result of that situation.
Well, if I'm walking home at night, and a guy starts following me...I'd get pretty defensive. :Shrug:
My guess, Zimmerman is back in the news in less than a year.
:lol: :doh How quickly we forget the GZ trial situation. :roll: What did TM do to justify the use of deadly force by GZ, beyond giving GZ typical fist fight injuries?
That's ok, the jury thinks Z is not guilty, and that's what counts.George Zimmerman found not guilty
I still think that Zimmerman created the situation and Trayvon died as a result of that situation.
He absolutely did create the situation. When he decided to keep eyes on Trayvon Martin, a series of events unfolded that caused Martin's death. There is no question about that. As others have posted ad nauseum, had George Zimmerman not gotten out of his car? Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
What is so hard about understanding that:
#1 - It's not against the law to get out of your car.
#2 - It's not against the law to follow someone.
#3 - The circumstantial evidence showed that Trayvon Martin struck the first blow -- in fact, the ONLY blows.
#4 - George Martin was in a fight for his life.
#5 - He shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense.
Other than, "It may have..." "It could have..." "There's a possibility that..." what evidence do you have that it happened any other way.
...........say whaaaat?He absolutely did create the situation. When he decided to keep eyes on Trayvon Martin, a series of events unfolded that caused Martin's death. There is no question about that. As others have posted ad nauseum, had George Zimmerman not gotten out of his car? Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
What is so hard about understanding that:
#1 - It's not against the law to get out of your car.
#2 - It's not against the law to follow someone.
#3 - The circumstantial evidence showed that Trayvon Martin struck the first blow -- in fact, the ONLY blows.
#4 - George Martin was in a fight for his life.
#5 - He shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense.
Other than, "It may have..." "It could have..." "There's a possibility that..." what evidence do you have that it happened any other way.
There's nothing heroic about George Zimmerman...he's just not a murderer. He's a normal dude with normal problems, nothing exceptionally evil or righteous about him at all.That pretty much sums it up. Of course many here suggest that Martin should have just stayed in the house that day and in retrospect that is true because there was an idiot loose in the neighborhood.
What he had done was no different than a man who walks by a fence yard and teases a dog inside the yard. One day he walks by and teases the dog before realizing the gate is open. The two meet and of course the dog attacks him. Luckily the man has a gun and shoots and kills the dog and becomes a hero for people afraid of dogs.
George Zimmerman is not the hero people are parading him to be.
Yeah yeah, and if Z had stayed home he never would have seen TM.... nothing would have happened. If TM had not gone to the store for skittles Z never would have seen him and nothing would have happened. We can even take it as far as if either TM or Z had not been born then nothing would have happened. We can go round and round on this but in the end all those "if's" are just plain D irrelevent. Z getting out of his car to follow TM was NOT illegal no matter how anyone tries to spin it as some sort of act of stupidity or aggression. I personally know several people, including myself that would have followed someone they considered suspicious in order to find out if they are up to no good or not. (and I have on a few occasions done that)
And no matter what anyone says no one will ever convince me that it is not something valid to do. IMO people have an obligation and are honor bound to not only attempt to help protect our communities but to do so actively by following suspicious people. Too many people hide behind closed doors because they are either chicken **** or simply just do not want to get involved. The best way to combat crime is for the whole community to willing to help out in any way possible.
The problem with this is how does the person being followed know that its innocuous and not an assailant?
When do they decide its worth calling the cops? And will they have time to do so when they do?
What happens if the follower is suddenly "RIGHT THERE!"?
There HAS to be SOME limit to following others around. Its weird and threatening and usually perfectly legal.
It seems something like a proximity limit or a following while armed prohibition would be appropriate.
No MaggieD.He absolutely did create the situation. When he decided to keep eyes on Trayvon Martin, a series of events unfolded that caused Martin's death. There is no question about that.
I don't think anyone really truely believes that TM wasn't afraid, or at the least HIGHLY concerned about what Z was doing. What is however most peoples problem is that TM struck Z for no apparent reason other than Z following him. It doesn't matter how scared you are, when walking down a public way you do not have the right to strike someone unless there is obvious criminal intent going on. And in this case there was none. Might have had a suspicion of one but that is it, suspicion. No one has the Right to strike out at someone because of a suspicion. There must be obvious intent to do harm in order for a self defense claim to actually work. Many people have been shot because of a "suspicion" and in every case that I know of the person who shot the other guy because of a "suspicion" is always punished...even cops.
Following someone around doesn't harm anyone and therefore there is no reason to limit it by law.
No MaggieD.
It was created when ™ attacked. Had he not attacked, Zimmerman would have continued back to his vehicle unmolested, and nothing would have occurred.
George Zimmerman found not guilty
I still think that Zimmerman created the situation and Trayvon died as a result of that situation.
Creating the situation would be more like Zimmerman held up a store, Martin started beating him and Zimmerman then shot him. This was more, Zimmerman was a douche, Martin started beating him, Zimmerman shot him. Yes, Zimmerman was a douche, but that's no excuse for violence. Zimmerman even showed great restraint in not using his weapon until it was clear his life was in jeopardy.
Get over it. He's not guilty.
Neither the first nor the last unjust and out-of-touch verdict by a jury.
If Z had any money, the family could sue for wrongful death. But Z ain't OJ. :mrgreen:
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