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Zimmerman made a threatening move before being struck [W:815]

Of course he is not.

Come on.. George couldn't see Trayvon and stated that he had lost him..

How did he know Trayvon doubled back? Doubled back from WHERE?

Don't you see how lame and stupid that is?

Its a lot like George statement in the reenactment video that he knew all the residents of the Retreat..

That's idiotic. Residents have guests aand visitors in any gated community.

Its laughable.. Why don't you get it?
 
Oh please.. My sons used to pretend they were Chuck Norris, but only an idiot would have believed they were.

Look at the photos of TM that were taken 9 days before he was killed.. He dressed like a teen not a gangster.

THis is not about no_limit_nigga's dressing, its about no_limit_nigga's criminal threat.

All that matters LEGALLY is whether no_limit_nigga's physical attack on Mr. Zimmerman caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury.

Stay on topic
 
Come on.. George couldn't see Trayvon and stated that he had lost him..
Showing That Trayvon was actually hiding (laying in wait) instead of continuing on to the house where he was visiting.

How did he know Trayvon doubled back? Doubled back from WHERE?
:doh
Duh!
Zimmerman was following the same direction that Trayvon was heading.
Zimmerman turned around to go back to his vehicle.
When Trayvon came from behind.
That is doubling back.

Don't you see how lame and stupid that is?
Yes I see this describes your argument very well.



Its a lot like George statement in the reenactment video that he knew all the residents of the Retreat..

That's idiotic. Residents have guests aand visitors in any gated community.
Big ****en deal. Guests and visitors are not residents.


Its laughable.. Why don't you get it?
I do get that your position is laughable.
 
THis is not about no_limit_nigga's dressing, its about no_limit_nigga's criminal threat.

All that matters LEGALLY is whether no_limit_nigga's physical attack on Mr. Zimmerman caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury.

Stay on topic

Trayvon was not a criminal or a threat.. He was walking home and talking on the phone.. Very normal behavior for teens.

The "criminal threat" crap is George's paranoia and imagination.
 
The OP highlights the diametric opposite nature of TM and most those declaring GZ a murderer.

Trayvon Martin was not a coward. He did not live in terror of the outside world and other people. Most those calling GZ a murderer do.

I well recognize that the vast majority of people living in civilized society are relatively timid, fearful and afraid of other people, particularly outdoors. But most those calling GZ a murderer go off the chart in fear and paranoia.

The mere thought of someone watching them it totally terrifying to them. OMG, if someone is looking at them maybe the person is going to kill them! Anyone just looking at or watching them in public is so horrifying, so frightening, as to be intolerable. They want looking or watching other people to be a felony offense because it is such a terroristic thing for someone to do. Anyone reaching into their pocket or purse while looking them certainly is an assassin out to murder them!!!

They are like Niles on the TV show Frazer, totally terrified to be out in public. Most GZ condemners on this forum are the most paranoid and fear-controlled people I can image. They must drive around and around the block waiting until no one can be seen in any direction before parking - often just giving up and going back home if going shopping. If they DARE be outside, they wait until the coast is clear, then take a deep breathe and run for their life to their cars, keeping their eyes down not to make eye contact with anyone.

Obviously TM was a courageous young man. Why are his supporters such extreme cowards and sooooooooo fearful of other people???
 
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Trayvon was not a criminal or a threat.. He was walking home and talking on the phone.. Very normal behavior for teens.

The "criminal threat" crap is George's paranoia and imagination.

Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the fight, is that no_limit_nigga cracked his nose and slammed his head against cement.
 
Trayvon was not a criminal or a threat.. He was walking home and talking on the phone.. Very normal behavior for teens.

The "criminal threat" crap is George's paranoia and imagination.

It is 100% fact that TM was not walking home.

A stranger slamming you in the face knocking you down is more than just a criminal threat.

GZ was proven to be 100% correct about TM.
 
Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the fight, is that no_limit_nigga cracked his nose and slammed his head against cement.

Oh so what? If you chase someone, scare someone and don't identify yourself when asked, you may get punched in the nose.

You are a male, aren't you?
 
Maybe its not a result of stupidity in your mind.. but shooting unarmed teens is frowned upon by Americans.


How many prejudices do you have? Race. Age. What others? Gender? Religion?

BTW, your posting that TM was "dressed like a teenager" leads to the question of just how OLD are you? I would guess you have to be at least in your mid to late 60s for that comment.
 
It is 100% fact that TM was not walking home.

A stranger slamming you in the face knocking you down is more than just a criminal threat.

GZ was proven to be 100% correct about TM.

Where was Trayvon going, joko?
 
Oh so what? If you chase someone, scare someone and don't identify yourself when asked, you may get punched in the nose.

You are a male, aren't you?

See! I was right. Not just race and age prejudices, but also gender.

You must live your life in total paranoia and terror of other people and the outside world. ANYONE outside is someone you see as imminent mortal danger to you?

Hopefully you live way, way out remotely in the country and advisably would avoid all urban areas - because you are a danger to everyone given your level of paranoia and how over 50 times you have declared your belief that your paranoia of EVERYONE justifies you violently assaulting anyone. Anyone who looks at you. Anyone who reaches into their pocket or purse. All are deadly threats to you in your opinion that you express over and over on the forum.
 
Where was Trayvon going, joko?


No where. He was wandering around talking on his cell phone via an ear piece. By time lines if he was walking home he would have been home.
 
See! I was right. Not just race and age prejudices, but also gender.

You must live your life in total paranoia and terror of other people and the outside world. ANYONE outside is someone you see as imminent mortal danger to you?

Hopefully you live way, way out remotely in the country and advisably would avoid all urban areas - because you are a danger to everyone given your level of paranoia and how over 50 times you have declared your belief that your paranoia of EVERYONE justifies you violently assaulting anyone. Anyone who looks at you. Anyone who reaches into their pocket or purse. All are deadly threats to you in your opinion that you express over and over on the forum.

LOLOL.. Hardly.. I have traveled world wide since I was a preteen so I am alert and cautious but not fearful. I live in Atlanta now.

I do expect men to be critical thinkers because of my siblings, my father, my uncles and sons.

So with that bit of background out of the way.... HOW did George know where Trayvon went and where he doubled back from?
 
LOLOL.. Hardly.. I have traveled world wide since I was a preteen so I am alert and cautious but not fearful. I live in Atlanta now.

I do expect men to be critical thinkers because of my siblings, my father, my uncles and sons.

So with that bit of background out of the way.... HOW did George know where Trayvon went and where he doubled back from?


^ Quite the sexist message. Like is said, OLD.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop with the personal attacks or else.
 
Come on.. George couldn't see Trayvon and stated that he had lost him..

How did he know Trayvon doubled back? Doubled back from WHERE?

Don't you see how lame and stupid that is?

Its a lot like George statement in the reenactment video that he knew all the residents of the Retreat..

That's idiotic. Residents have guests aand visitors in any gated community.

Its laughable.. Why don't you get it?

as i recall, martin approached zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone with the police (call center)
martin then ran away
only later to return to commence the physical assault upon zimmerman
does that adequately explain the 'doubled back' reference for you?
 
Don't get MY words mixed up with someone elses. I said "bleeding". Ive never claimed to know the depth of any gash on anyone's head. You are adding adjectives to MY statements to help make your point.
I didn't get your words mixed up with someone else. I said, "You people".
 
So, are you going to be on record to tell Excon he was wrong to call Zimmerman's wounds as "gashing wounds"?
 
Quote me as stating "Trayvon had his hand covering Zimmerman's bleeding nose" and you'll have a point.
Ridiculous logic.
 
Of course you didn't mention "Trayvon had his hand covering Zimmerman's bleeding nose". That's the point. You were evading my point about that claim of his that was disproven by the forensic evidence.
 
Instead of addressing the above point, you evade that into a small cut on Zimmerman's face which wasn't even in debate. Why can't you be honest for a change? While you are at it, try to be logical and make some sense in your rebuttal also.
 
 
Im evading nothing. You are crediting me with statements that I have not made. If you are arguing towards me with someone elses statements and attributing them to me, maybe you are barking up the wrong tree, hrm?
Go back to your post #723:
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/zimme...e-being-struck-w-815-a-73.html#post1060672894
 
Previously I said:
 
"We are not just talking about simple punching. We are talking about repeated punching and head slamming with 50% of the head covered in blood and Trayvon's hands were said to cover his broken nose and grabbed his bloody head."
 
In your reply, you didn't address my point about "repeated punching and head slamming with 50% of the head covered in blood and Trayvon's hands were said to cover his broken nose and grabbed his bloody head." You didn't even dare to address the nose covering part. Instead, you evaded and said:
 
"As you can see from the photos posted, the cut on the front of his face was extremely small compared to the total size of his face... That leads to a very great amount of space that can be touched without blood transfer. A cut that small is not going to be spurting blood like the episode of Beavis and Butthead when they accidentally chop Beavis's finger off or anything.

Obviously, the cuts on the back of his head were on the back of his head..... and not facing Trayvon. Nobody is claiming he was bleeding PROFUSELY, losing pints at a time or anything like that."
 
 
I didn't asked you about the "estremely small" cut in front of his face. Why did you purposely evade the pertinent one in front of his face which I did mention, i.e. his bleeding broken nose that was said to be covered by Trayvon's hand? That was the whole argument but you just convieniently set up a strawman to make your case as a desperate attemopt at evasion.
 
 
 
WHAT DO YOU MEAN.... "YOU PEOPLE"!!!
In all seriousness though..... why are you treating one Zimmerman supporters statement as a blanket net cast upon every person who doesn't believe he is a child murdering sack of ****, as you do?
You people = you, Excon, zoko, etc = Zimmerman supporters. Oh, also that blind supporter of yours who whined about "anti-TM evidence", which are all fairy tales of course.
 
This was what I said:


"You people simply want to ignore forensic science and logic at all cost to defend your ground for Zimmerman."
 
On that point alone you and Excon, zoko and other Zimmerman supporters on this board do agree unanimously by ignoring and dismissing or trying to explain away the inconsistency in Zimmerman's account of Trayvon covering his bleeding nose with his hand that was not supported by forensic finding of no Zimmerman's blood found on Trayvon's hands or sleeve cuffs.
 
There are many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's accounts. But this is just one of them we are addressing right now.
 
 
Because one side continues to look at real evidence while they other watches too much CSI and says, "Well what if X" "Y Could have happened, ever think of that!!!" and "I don't believe Trayvon would do X, Y, oR Z"

And when asked for proof, misdirection is always a guarantee.
 
I don't have a TV to watch anything let alone CSI. I don't even like watching CSI or any make believe ER show. If I have access to a TV, I'd like to watch real life crime report not from someone's imaginative scripts.
 
Talk about you being a police office and looking at real evidence, just tell me: How is it possible to have Trayvon's hand pressing hard against Zimmerman's bleeding broken nose and yet had no trace of blood in his hand? We are not even talking about his other hand covering Zimmerman's screaming mouth and many other inconsistencies and contradictions.
 
When you have to explain away the impossible events of not just one inconsistency, not even just two, not three, not four and not five but many more, there is something wrong not only in Zimmerman's claims but something is also seriously wrong with you people.
 
 
 
 
 
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as i recall, martin approached zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone with the police (call center)
martin then ran away
only later to return to commence the physical assault upon zimmerman
does that adequately explain the 'doubled back' reference for you?

No that is the car circling lie, not the doubled back lie.
 
No that is the car circling lie, not the doubled back lie.

you seem confused

what we know is that martin approached zimmerman, who was then on the phone with the police station
then martin ran away
next martin returned to confront and then assault zimmerman

notice how martin approached, ran away and returned
that is frequently an action referred to as doubling back
hope that resolves your confusion
 
as i recall, martin approached zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone with the police (call center)
martin then ran away
only later to return to commence the physical assault upon zimmerman
does that adequately explain the 'doubled back' reference for you?

You have it backwards..

Trayvon was on the phone with Dee at 7:15 PM when George showed up on foot in the Alley.

George Zimmerman broke, defense attorney Mark O
 
You have it backwards..

Trayvon was on the phone with Dee at 7:15 PM when George showed up on foot in the Alley.

George Zimmerman broke, defense attorney Mark O


really? then tell us how zimmerman doubled back
i look forward to seeing that evidence as well as the post where some member asserted martin possessed fewer rights than zimmerman

your posts are becoming more and more muddled and confused; everything alright on your end?
 
really? then tell us how zimmerman doubled back
i look forward to seeing that evidence as well as the post where some member asserted martin possessed fewer rights than zimmerman

your posts are becoming more and more muddled and confused; everything alright on your end?

Trayvon didn't "double back".. George made that up.. and it is pretty funny since George couldn't see TM and didn't know where he'd gone.

It will a hoot when George is asked on the stand, Doubled back from WHERE.
 
Trayvon didn't "double back".. George made that up.. and it is pretty funny since George couldn't see TM and didn't know where he'd gone.

It will a hoot when George is asked on the stand, Doubled back from WHERE.

you are saying martin did not approach zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone to the police?

you saying martin then did not run away from zimmerman where zimmerman no longer knew his whereabouts?

you saying martin then did not return to confront zimmerman?

you saying martin then did not assault zimmerman, lacerating his head and breaking his nose?


those activities document martin's doubling back; please point out any of the above statements with which you disagree and explain what about that statement or statements is found to be invalid
 
you are saying martin did not approach zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone to the police?

you saying martin then did not run away from zimmerman where zimmerman no longer knew his whereabouts?

you saying martin then did not return to confront zimmerman?

you saying martin then did not assault zimmerman, lacerating his head and breaking his nose?


those activities document martin's doubling back; please point out any of the above statements with which you disagree and explain what about that statement or statements is found to be invalid

Trayvon was standing out of the rain at the well lit entrance to the clubhouse
talking on the phone. George was parked watching him and called the police.

In order to walk home Trayvon had to walk past George's SUV. He didn't know George was talking to police. So Trayvon took off running or jogging and was soon out of sight.

Take a look.

Here’s the slideshow.. 32 photos

Community Of Sanford, Florida Awaits Trayvon Martin Shooting Trial - Pictures - Zimbio

Its…

Source: Slideshow of the Retreat at Twin Lakes.. (explains alot oabout the evernts) - Page 30


George got out of his car and followed him. Its real simple..
 
you are saying martin did not approach zimmerman while zimmerman was on the phone to the police?

you saying martin then did not run away from zimmerman where zimmerman no longer knew his whereabouts?

you saying martin then did not return to confront zimmerman?

you saying martin then did not assault zimmerman, lacerating his head and breaking his nose?


those activities document martin's doubling back; please point out any of the above statements with which you disagree and explain what about that statement or statements is found to be invalid

The problem is that there are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's own account.

Before getting out of his car ... the number of times he told the 911 dispatcher he lost sight of Trayvon? Once. The number of times he told police the next day? Three.

The number of times he told the 911 dispatcher Trayvon circled his car? Zero. The number of times he told police the next day? Once.

On the night of the shooting, he told a detective Trayvon emerged from some bushes ... the next day he told officer Serino he didn't see where Trayvon emerged from.

And perhaps his biggest problem ... his claim that he simultaneously pinned Trayvon's hand against his body while grabbing his gun is physically impossible without first releasing Trayvon's hand. He lied.
 
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