Then you are talking of an example not the least bit similar to the Zimmerman case.
Well we also have to keep in mind that Zimmerman will never see a penny of this money.
It will go right to the lawyers who got daily free advertisement for over a year thanks to the media.
Agree but I'd go one step further. Though probably not applicable here Prosecutors, all public officials for that matter including police, should lose their qualified immunity.
Not really. And that was not the point I was making to another poster to begin with.
Who was the eye witness that had a clear and un abstructed view of the shooting that followed the fight, where Zim was getting beaten like a 2 dollar whore.
Because the state brought the case in good faith.
Weak as it was. If we pay every defendent that wins his case, Florida will be broke by weeks end.
Or we will just quit arresting people.
Nine years down the road, not worried about it.
But the charge? Sounded like I was public enemy number one.
As long as you only murdered someone, that's no big deal in Florida. You really should demand a refund.
So, you are out doing your water cop job. You and some dude have alittle disagreement. Well he feels threatend and pulls faster than you and drops you in your tracks.
Calls 911 and says "hey, dude in uniform starts hasslin' me and tried layin' hands on me so, I dropped him with twins to the blood pumper".
Other cops show up and homeboys story sounds legit. They hand his gun back to him, bid him a fond farewell and you go to the cooler till wifey comes to claim your carcass.
Sounds perfectly acceptable to you?
So we all understand what you are saying in real terms:
If a police officer shoots and kills someone, that officer claims the man tried to grab his gun and fearing being overpowered he shot that man - and no witnesses and nothing to prove or disprove his recount - your demand is that the police is arrested, charged with murder, put in jail and stays there until and only if he can bond out, then at trial he is presumed guilty of murder unless he can prove he's innocent.
That is what you have explained, right? Or are police exempt?
Because the state brought the case in good faith.
Weak as it was. If we pay every defendent that wins his case, Florida will be broke by weeks end.
Or we will just quit arresting people.
So law enforcement should second guess what crimes they arrest for because they should fear making financial restitution to anyone they arrest?
That is a slippery slope we really dont need to go down.
If Zimmerman wants money, he can go the civil route and sue the state. Put it in front of a judge and jury.
Thanks for continuing your tirades. You really know how to make a case.
I never said any of that.
But you have to look at it from the third party stand point.
Say I meet you, dont like you, shoot you. No witnesses, no cameras. I claim self defence.
Your family would be fine with that? Period. No investigation, no charges (that can be dropped prior to trial). Just you are dead, and I say I felt threatened and stood my ground.
I carry, I know the rules and I also know that my life may very well change and not for the better once I may have to use my weapon.
My point is Zimm has ways of making big money.(bolded by me)
imo, my family would not be happy with no investigation.
However in the GZ case, there was an investigation and LE first stance was to not pursue any charges. Then the State got involved, investigated more, by-passed the grand jury, and GZ was found not guilty.
imo, the State should pay all of GZ legal expenses.
My point is Zimm has ways of making big money.
His lawyers got on air face time better than advertisement ever and can also profit from the trial itself.
Had this been some witch hunt with all the players being no ones and no bodys, I could see paying out tax dollars.
Zimmerman does not fit that case.
Zimmerman will never be stuck with the bill, the lawyers will never persue him for another penny.You really think GZ life is all ok? Playing devil's advocate. Lets say GZ decides not to pursue any of the "making big money" off of this case. You still ok with GZ being stuck with the bill? Or maybe he does pursue the "making big money" , why should he have to pay bills that were not of his creation?
If the State would have done a better job and used the Grand Jury, I bet the cost to the State and to GZ would have been very little.
Zimmerman will never be stuck with the bill, the lawyers will never persue him for another penny.
Thanks for not answering my question with a direct answer..:mrgreen:
Should the State be held accountable for defense expenses when the person charged is found not guilty. (YES or NO).?
Where did I say anything about the shooter being a police officer?
What ifs dont interest me. Better yet, you dont interest me.The question is would your standards also apply to police?
I think a sticking point will be that the prosecution side stepped the grand jury and went ahead with the case as it was.
The prosecution will have to explain why they did that.
Too grey an area. Let him go to court and file for it civily.
Not just demand it.
Not sure how it works, because he has the right to reimbursment. I dont know what the mechanism is to recoup.
But if I had my way, he would have to go to court and file a suit agaisnt the state.
ok.
Would you feel the same way on all cases or just this one (GZ).
Since you want GZ to file a suit to collect defense expenses for the murder case, I guess you would want him to also include the cost of suing to get those expenses and the lawyer cost to collect.
What a mess.
What ifs dont interest me. Better yet, you dont interest me.
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