Zimmerman can do no wrong/has done no wrong? [W:191]

[Excon]

Really?

Are you saying that there are no questions around when "lethal force" is justified and when it isn't?

Maybe George never had any personal doubts about his "profile" of Trayvon.. which I find egotistical in the extreme.

What I am saying, and I am more than positive that you know it, was that what you posted has nothing to do with the requirement.
That what you posted was meaningless to the requirement, which is on par for you.
And before you try to cover yourself with something else that may be relevant, this is what you said; "... trying to block testimony from witness #9.. one Veronica Zauzo.. as too inflammatory."
That was irrelevant.

 

[Thunder]

Racist and race-baiting comment posted by you #27.

did you not baselessly accuse TM of racism?

 

[sharon]

Sharon has already explained this. She said that obviously Martin would have looked like he was acting "weird" talking on a cell phone via an ear piece.

A tested job requirement of all 7-11 clerks is photographic memory of every customer, yes.

Why would the clerks need a photographic memory.. They have video.

Ten years ago I crossed the street to avoid someone who appeared to be talking to themselves.. Now I easily recognize someone who is one the phone.. Don't you?

Funny thing.. I was roller blading in Central Park and that was what I and my friend discussed.. How one moved away from schizos..

And all bets were off re: cellphone headsets.

 

[joko104]

It very well may be.
If it serves no purpose other than to inflame, there is no reason to admit it into evidence, and to ask that it be suppressed.

It that witness is allowed, everyone who has ever known TM and GZ should be called as a witness too for a 4 year long trial.

 

[joko104]

so, you're telling me, that by stating that GZ suspected TM was a criminal because he was tall, young, male, and black...that means I am racist against white people???????????????

what kind of backwards, absurd logic is this?

No, it is a fixation on the race of people and that suggests racism unless deliberate race-baiting.

I think we all can notice that Zimmerman condemners on the forum all seem fixated on the race of TM and GZ. Can you and Sharon explain why you think the race of someone is SOOOOOOOO important to you in evaluating people?

 

[Excon]

I think you have to take into account that Trayvon had NO body fat and likely processed the THC more rapidly than a fat person.... which would mean that TM may have smoked pot three or four days earlier.

The information that was presented suggests that it could have been smoked as short as just a few hours earlier. Which would not have effected the encounter.
Now if what you say about his body weight is true. That would put it just before the encounter.

It doesn't justify murder. .. nor does it mean that Trayvon was a credible threat to George.

Correction, it wasn't murder.
Having one's head slammed into concrete can constitute a credible threat, and justify killing someone.

 

[Thunder]

...Can you and Sharon explain why you think the race of someone is SOOOOOOOO important to you in evaluating people?

and yet YOU continue to baselessly accuse TM of racism, and remain silent when folks on your side call him a "nolimitnigga" and "the black thug".

please save the faux-outrage.

 

[sharon]

The information that was presented suggests that it could have been smoked as short as just a few hours earlier. Which would not have effected the encounter.
Now if what you say about his body weight is true. That would put it just before the encounter.

Correction, it wasn't murder.
Having one's head slammed into concrete can constitute a credible threat, and justify killing someone.

Oh come on.. you are inventing that. No one has made that claim.

George's head injuries are quite minor.. He's lying about having his head slammed into the pavement.

More likely that George freaked out after having been so certain that this boy was a criminal.

 

[Excon]

Oh come on.. you are inventing that. No one has made that claim.

Is your memory really that short?
You were part of the discussion. Even so much so as relying on the word of a psychologist. You don't remember?
I find that hard to believe.

George's head injuries are quite minor.. He's lying about having his head slammed into the pavement.

Wrong!
They were not minor. And are consistent with getting one's head slammed into the concrete.

 

[sharon]

Is your memory really that short?
You were part of the discussion. Even so much so as relying on the word of a psychologist. You don't remember?
I find that hard to believe.

Wrong!
They were not minor. And are consistent with getting one's head slammed into the concrete.

Of course they are minor.. While Trayvon most probably punched George in the nose.. breaking it and giving him two black eyes.. the injuries to the back of GZ's head were minor scalp lacerations.. treated with soap and water or peroxide on a cotton swab.

By the time the rescue squad arrived (Emts) George's head wound had stopped bleeding and dried.

 

[Excon]

Of course they are minor.. While Trayvon most probably punched George in the nose.. breaking it and giving him two black eyes.. the injuries to the back of GZ's head were minor scalp lacerations.. treated with soap and water or peroxide on a cotton swab.

By the time the rescue squad arrived (Emts) George's head wound had stopped bleeding and dried.

Sigh...
No. You are wrong.
They were not minor. :doh
Minor is the abrasion Trayvon got on his finger.

And again, the extent of injury does not matter to the requirement to use deadly force.
What do you not understand about that?

 

[Thunder]

Sigh...
No. You are wrong.
They were not minor....

did he go to the hospital? no.

he injuried look VERY minor, for someone who was supposedly pummeled in the face 24 times, by a giant athlete, as you guys have described him.

 

[Excon]

did he go to the hospital? no.

he injuried look VERY minor, for someone who was supposedly pummeled in the face 24 times, by a giant athlete, as you guys have described him.

Another one.
Sigh... it figures.

No. You are wrong.
They were not minor.
Minor is the abrasion Trayvon got on his finger.

And again, the extent of injury does not matter to the requirement to use deadly force.
What do you not understand about that?

 

[Thunder]

...No. You are wrong.
They were not minor...

they look pretty damn minor in the photo.

his eyes are barely black-eyes.

he has barely any bruises on his face.

 

[Excon]

they look pretty damn minor in the photo.

his eyes are barely black-eyes.

he has barely any bruises on his face.

Looks are deceiving.

But more importantly ... the extent of injury does not matter to the requirement to use deadly force.
What do you not understand about that?

 

[Thunder]

Looks are deceiving....

please provide details of the medical report showing that he had major facial injuries.

 

[Tettsuo]

Another one.
Sigh... it figures.

No. You are wrong.
They were not minor.
Minor is the abrasion Trayvon got on his finger.

And again, the extent of injury does not matter to the requirement to use deadly force.
What do you not understand about that?

Wouldn't only a minor abrasion on Trayvon's finger, even after pounding Zimmerman's face, be suspicious to you?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Wouldn't only a minor abrasion on Trayvon's finger, even after pounding Zimmerman's face, be suspicious to you?

Why should it be? And what is "minor" to you? It takes more than one or two punches to put abrasions on a persons knuckles if they are hitting someones face...unless they hit the teeth and there's no indication that he did so....

However having ones head knocked on something hard a couple of times would definitately make me fear for my life in a fight.

 

[ric27]

Of course they are minor.. While Trayvon most probably punched George in the nose.. breaking it and giving him two black eyes.. the injuries to the back of GZ's head were minor scalp lacerations.. treated with soap and water or peroxide on a cotton swab.

By the time the rescue squad arrived (Emts) George's head wound had stopped bleeding and dried.

Wrong! You keep harping on the

minor scalp lacerations

while forgetting the main ingredient in the use of deadly force....

The threat of seriously bodily harm which reasonably induces fear. Its a *reasonably sustained fear* for ones safety at a specific moment.

Martin's threat of seriously bodily harm was specific and unequivocal.

You, apparently do not understand this vital part. Its not the extent of injury, its.... the FEAR one believes of serious bodily harm

 

[Kal'Stang]

Wrong! You keep harping on the while forgetting the main ingredient in the use of deadly force....

The threat of seriously bodily harm which reasonably induces fear. Its a *reasonably sustained fear* for ones safety at a specific moment.

Martin's threat of seriously bodily harm was specific and unequivocal.

You, apparently do not understand this vital part. Its not the extent of injury, its.... the FEAR one believes of serious bodily harm

I agree...the extent of the damage is really irrelevent. From the way people are talking if a person has a gun trained on you then you have to wait until they shoot you before you are allowed to defend yourself with deadly force. That type of thinking is idiotic in the extreme.

 

[joko104]

please provide details of the medical report showing that he had major facial injuries.

My gosh, are we back to you denying Zimmerman had a broken nose?

If we are going to just go in circles about what basically no one disputes there isn't much point to any of this, is there?

Maybe we should back and debate who actually shot TM.

 

[joko104]

I agree...the extent of the damage is really irrelevent. From the way people are talking if a person has a gun trained on you then you have to wait until they shoot you before you are allowed to defend yourself with deadly force. That type of thinking is idiotic in the extreme.

That is the core of what they are saying. In their opinion, anyone that is physically tougher than you or more skilled in fighting, can assault, beat, rape or murder you and you may do nothing about it other than after the fact hope for a prosecution (or your family if you are killed), when of course a prosecution does you absolutely no good at all.

They oppose self defense via firearms because they believe having a firearm should be illegal - and since it isn't then they want using one to be illegal in 100% of situations UNLESS someone is shooting at you first.

They adamantly deny their anti-gun agenda and values, but all their logic adds up to exactly that.

This is not a criminal case or a criminal trial. It is a political campaign on a political stage.

 

[Thunder]

My gosh, are we back to you denying Zimmerman had a broken nose?...

are you?

I sure ain't. Is his only major facial injury his broken nose? cause that's not major.

 

[Stardog]

Wrong! You keep harping on the while forgetting the main ingredient in the use of deadly force....

The threat of seriously bodily harm which reasonably induces fear. Its a *reasonably sustained fear* for ones safety at a specific moment.

Martin's threat of seriously bodily harm was specific and unequivocal.

You, apparently do not understand this vital part. Its not the extent of injury, its.... the FEAR one believes of serious bodily harm

Problem is. . .

1) We know Zimmerman was not acting reasonably; Zimmerman was acting Recklessly because he had been instructed on what the police wanted him to do and he ignored it.

2) Zimmerman was not in fear of Martin because he chased after Martin.

3) Zimmerman sustained no serious bodily injuries.

It is clear that Zimmerman was the initial aggressor of the confrontation and, as such, is not entitled to the legal privilege of self-defense.

 

[ric27]

Zim's fear validates 2 requirements and both are satisfied....

1 Zim's fear was reasonable and

2 Zim's fear was real