Zelensky wants to buy $30 to $50 Billion in Air Defense and Weapons from the US. (1 Viewer)

[iguanaman]

I have explained before why Russia has done what they have.

Western encroachment, and western interference. When they ousted their sitting president in 2014 because he wanted to continue trade with Russia, and cut Russia off... That is economic war. Russia say losing their navel base next in Crimea. The west and Ukraine started this, and the sooner you realize that the better.

Russia secured Crimea, and went on to secure the friendly areas with ethnic Russians. It was in their best interest to have a buffer zone to the EU.

No explanation needed. Putin is trying to be like his idol Stalin. Victory at any cost is his motto. Did you know Putin invaded Ukraine on the anniversary of Stalin invasion of Ukraine? In case you forgot what Stalin did here are just some of his atrocities. While reading this remember that Putin has put up over 100 Statues of the murderous madman since he seized power.

In 1929 Stalin launched his policy of agricultural collectivization--in effect a second Russian revolution--which forced millions of peasants off their land and onto collective farms. The result was a catastrophic famine, the most lethal in European history. At least five million people died between 1931 and 1933 in the USSR. But instead of sending relief the Soviet state made use of the catastrophe to rid itself of a political problem. In Red Famine, Anne Applebaum argues that more than three million of those dead were Ukrainians who perished not because they were accidental victims of a bad policy but because the state deliberately set out to kill them. Applebaum proves what has long been suspected: after a series of rebellions unsettled the province, Stalin set out to destroy the Ukrainian peasantry. The state sealed the republic's borders and seized all available food. Starvation set in rapidly, and people ate anything: grass, tree bark, dogs, corpses. In some cases, they killed one another for food. Devastating and definitive, Red Famine captures the horror of ordinary people struggling to survive extraordinary evil. Today, Russia, the successor to the Soviet Union, has placed Ukrainian independence in its sights once more. Applebaum's compulsively readable narrative recalls one of the worst crimes of the twentieth century, and shows how it may foreshadow a new threat to the political order in the twenty-first.

https://guides.lib.uconn.edu/ukraine/interwar

 

[Tigerace117]

Just how many Russian wounded recover? They are sending soldiers into battle on crutches.

Your claim that the Russians “don’t have field hospitals” is just blatantly false.

 

[Fledermaus]

Just how many Russian wounded recover? They are sending soldiers into battle on crutches.

Casualties is a better term. Those not killed but maimed to the point they are no longer combat effective also drain the front line.

 

[iguanaman]

Your claim that the Russians “don’t have field hospitals” is just blatantly false.

If the Russian military has treatment for the wounded why are there so many videos of wounded Russians commiting suicide?

’Not always timely’ Russian military doctors say injured soldiers who could be saved are dying on the battlefield in Ukraine​

Some critically injured Russian soldiers who could have been saved are dying on the battlefield without ever receiving medical attention, according to a new investigation by the independent outlet Verstka. Even Defense Ministry doctors admit that the army’s medical care is poorly organized, with “potentially savable” soldiers not evacuated in time and others sent back to the front lines even when their treatment is unsuccessful. Meduza shares an abridged translation of the outlet’s findings.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/not-always-timely

 

[Tigerace117]

If the Russian military has treatment for the wounded why are there so many videos of wounded Russians commiting suicide?

’Not always timely’ Russian military doctors say injured soldiers who could be saved are dying on the battlefield in Ukraine​

Some critically injured Russian soldiers who could have been saved are dying on the battlefield without ever receiving medical attention, according to a new investigation by the independent outlet Verstka. Even Defense Ministry doctors admit that the army’s medical care is poorly organized, with “potentially savable” soldiers not evacuated in time and others sent back to the front lines even when their treatment is unsuccessful. Meduza shares an abridged translation of the outlet’s findings.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/not-always-timely

Gee dude, you are aware your own source debunks your claims that the Russians “don’t have medical treatment”….right?

 

[Lursa]

No. Paying back the US, EU, and NATO wartime assistence was never ever mentioned nor was it expected.

Thanks. That's what I remembered too.

 

[Rogue Valley]

No, you are in error.

When it comes to Ukrainian events 2008 - 2025, I am never wrong. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years.

When you refuse to understand the opposition, you will continue to be wrong.

I understand KGB Lt. Col. Putin. And he was thoughtful enough to tell us who he is.

Putin and Peter the Great: Russian leader likens himself to 18th Century tsar

With a nod to history, Putin now feels bold enough to admit that his operation is an occupation.

www.bbc.com

In late 2021, Putin also shared with the wortld his flawed rationale for invading Ukraine.

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

 

[iguanaman]

Gee dude, you are aware your own source debunks your claims that the Russians “don’t have medical treatment”….right?

The don't have efficient medical treatment and it is often so bad that Russian soldiers kill themselves when wounded rather that suffer a slow death with no treatment.

 

[Tigerace117]

The don't have efficient medical treatment and it is often so bad that Russian soldiers kill themselves when wounded rather that suffer a slow death with no treatment.

Claiming they “don’t having efficient treatment” is vastly different than “they don’t have field hospitals”.

America doesn’t have “efficient” treatment.

 

[iguanaman]

Claiming they “don’t having efficient treatment” is vastly different than “they don’t have field hospitals”.

America doesn’t have “efficient” treatment.

Really? Where are the videos of wounded Americans killing themselves on the battlefield then? There are dozens of videos of Russians doing just that. Putin does not wounded Russians returning home. It's not a good look.

 

[Tigerace117]

Really? Where are the videos of wounded Americans killing themselves on the battlefield then? There are dozens of videos of Russians doing just that. Putin does not wounded Russians returning home. It's not a good look.

Uh…suicide amongst American personnel are hardly uncommon dude.

The war is going so badly for Kiev its apologists are grasping at any straw they can think of to pretend there are more Russian dead than there actually are. Pretty laughable.

 

[iguanaman]

Uh…suicide amongst American personnel are hardly uncommon dude.

The war is going so badly for Kiev its apologists are grasping at any straw they can think of to pretend there are more Russian dead than there actually are. Pretty laughable.

LOL The war is going badly for Russia who are suffering horrendous losses with little to show for it. Morale among Russian troops could not be lower and they are using drones to kill their own when they refuse to advance. This report comes from intercepted communications between Russian officers.

Frontline report: Russia weaponizes drones against its own retreating soldiers in desperate push toward Lyman​

Ukrainian intelligence has uncovered Russia’s modern version of barrier troops – using drones to execute their own retreating soldiers near Torske, as commanders sacrifice waves of poorly-trained conscripts in an increasingly desperate bid to capture northern Donetsk Oblast.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04...ting-soldiers-in-desperate-push-toward-lyman/

 

[Tigerace117]

LOL The war is going badly for Russia who are suffering horrendous losses with little to show for it. Morale among Russian troops could not be lower and they are using drones to kill their own when they refuse to advance. This report comes from intercepted communications between Russian officers.

Frontline report: Russia weaponizes drones against its own retreating soldiers in desperate push toward Lyman​

Ukrainian intelligence has uncovered Russia’s modern version of barrier troops – using drones to execute their own retreating soldiers near Torske, as commanders sacrifice waves of poorly-trained conscripts in an increasingly desperate bid to capture northern Donetsk Oblast.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04...ting-soldiers-in-desperate-push-toward-lyman/

“Euromaidan Press”

Quoting literal Ukrainian propaganda rather clearly proves my point

 

[iguanaman]

“Euromaidan Press”

Quoting literal Ukrainian propaganda rather clearly proves my point

Dream on... but the results on the ground do not lie.

 

[Tigerace117]

Dream on... but the results on the ground do not lie.

The results on the ground?

You mean well over a year of the Ukrainians launching failed offensives and being driven back from strongpoint after strongpoint?

 

[Roadvirus]

And yet, despite Ukraine investing all that time, all those men, and material, and resources, and propaganda on holding those towns…..

They still fell.

You missed the point entirely.

Yes...Russia eventually took those towns. But it took them months to do it & cost 10s of thousands of soldiers & hundreds of armored vehicles. Especially Avdiivka. It sat on mostly flat land....wide open flat land. Which means it was easy as pie to target & splatter incoming Russia forces & their vehicles. Look at the Highway of Death in Iraq. That was Russia outside Avdiivka when it was finally over.

 

[Tigerace117]

You missed the point entirely.

Yes...Russia eventually took those towns. But it took them months to do it & cost 10s of thousands of soldiers & hundreds of armored vehicles. Especially Avdiivka. It sat on mostly flat land....wide open flat land. Which means it was easy as pie to target & splatter incoming Russia forces & their vehicles. Look at the Highway of Death in Iraq. That was Russia outside Avdiivka when it was finally over.

And the Ukrainians, who had less men and resources to begin with, lost similarly high amounts of those resources failing to hold them.

The highways of Iraq were indeed full of death a few years later for Americans as the Iraqis reminded them they didn’t see the invasion as any sort of “liberation.”

 

[Roadvirus]

And the Ukrainians, who had less men and resources to begin with, lost similarly high amounts of those resources failing to hold them.

Actually, the intention was to keep Russia busy in those towns. They knew Russia wanted those towns. So they made Russia's victory a really bloody & sour one by making them pay dearly for every inch.

 

[Tigerace117]

Actually, the intention was to keep Russia busy in those towns. They knew Russia wanted those towns. So they made Russia's victory a really bloody & sour one by making them pay dearly for every inch.

If that were true they wouldn’t have committed so many men and resources to hold them, nor put out so much propaganda about holding them.

The Russians can afford more bloody victories than the Ukrainians can afford bloody…anything, really.

 

[Roadvirus]

The Russians can afford more bloody victories than the Ukrainians can afford bloody…anything, really.

Really? Russia's scraping the bottom of the barrel in regards to AVs. They've had to ask for help from Iran & NK.

 

[Tigerace117]

Really? Russia's scraping the bottom of the barrel in regards to AVs. They've had to ask for help from Iran & NK.

The U.S. made extensive use of foreign “contractors” in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Lord of Planar]

When it comes to Ukrainian events 2008 - 2025, I am never wrong. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years.



I understand KGB Lt. Col. Putin. And he was thoughtful enough to tell us who he is.

Putin and Peter the Great: Russian leader likens himself to 18th Century tsar

With a nod to history, Putin now feels bold enough to admit that his operation is an occupation.

www.bbc.com

In late 2021, Putin also shared with the wortld his flawed rationale for invading Ukraine.

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

I see you are too lazy to quite important parts. I am not interested in taking the time to read those right now. Later, I will forget to look at them.

No quotes to spike interest... Your bad.

Edit add. I just printed the second one, I am interested in reading that one.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I see you are too lazy to quite important parts. I am not interested in taking the time to read those right now. Later, I will forget to look at them.

No quotes to spike interest... Your bad.

Edit add. I just printed the second one, I am interested in reading that one.

I don't come here to entertain you.

Do some honest reading for a change. Maybe you wouldn't be so propagandized.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I don't come here to entertain you.

Do some honest reading for a change. Maybe you wouldn't be so propagandized.

You don't know squat about me if you think I am following things not verified.

 

[iguanaman]

The results on the ground?

You mean well over a year of the Ukrainians launching failed offensives and being driven back from strongpoint after strongpoint?

You don't follow the frontline apparently. Ukraine has taken back territory near Provosk and have also launched a new offensive into Russia in Belgrod province. Russia is losing 1000's of Troops and dozens of armor daily taking a few fields or treelines. They are losing this war of attrition.