Zelensky: Mutual cessation of strikes on energy infrastructure facilities may be the first step towards ending hostilities

[zincwarrior]

Donbass people are free to request military aid. They are nowhere worse then Kiev's NAZIE junta.

So who requested the North Koreans?

 

[Juin]

Nobody is buying your bullshit. Ukraine became a sovereign nation in 1991.

Sovereign nations cannot be attacked ? I am sure Libya, Iraq, Syria, Armenia, Serbia will beg to differ

Go home and respect their 1991 borders

Was that how Nato/Eu respected Serbian borders?

including Crimea which you shamelessly stole in 2014.

Should Nato/Eu hand Kosovo back to Serbia?

You have no right to any territory that was inside Ukraine's 1991 borders. Go home!

What has "right" go to do with anything? Serbia had a right to Kosovo; it was Nato/Eu might that decided the matter

 

[Juin]

And just allow the Russian tanks to take over their cities and country with no resistance. Yeah OK sure- that seems reasonable and fair.

What has "fair" or "reasonable" got to do with anything? Unfortunately might makes right. Ask Serbia. It was neither fair nor reasonable, but Serbia had no choice but to allow Nato/Eu tanks to take over its cities.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Was that how Nato/Eu respected Serbian borders?

Did the US/NATO invade and occupy Serbia?

 

[ataraxia]

What has "fair" or "reasonable" got to do with anything? Unfortunately might makes right. Ask Serbia. It was neither fair nor reasonable, but Serbia had no choice but to allow Nato/Eu tanks to take over its cities.

So I am glad you are admitting Russia is acting unfairly and unreasonably here.

But that has its own consequences, doesn't it?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Unfortunately might makes right.

This is Juin's mantra. But he is selective.

He objects when US/NATO might make right. That's different.

But Russian might is A-OK with Juin.

 

[VySky]

Russia must withdraw beyond the previous 2020 borders or Ukraine keeps killing the Russian invaders.

Not now or Zelensky would not be offering the restrictions on targets in hopes it leads to a cease fire and de-escalation of the war.

You are going to wind up disappointed how this turns out.

 

[Juin]

They started the shooting. Why would they stop the shooting? Because they have already stolen everything they wanted, for now- and the "Ukro-fascists" just have to be content with that?

Serbia had to be content. Serbia had Kosovo stolen from her by Nato/Eu. Bottomline, it sucks to be small and weak. Serbia had two bad choices: allow a mild amputation, or total annihilation. Serbia settled for the lesser of the bad choices; amputation

 

[ataraxia]

Serbia had to be content. Serbia had Kosovo stolen from her by Nato/Eu. Bottomline, it sucks to be small and weak. Serbia had two bad choices: allow a mild amputation, or total annihilation. Serbia settled for the lesser of the bad choices; amputation

I know you’re trying to distract from Russia’s behavior now.

 

[Juin]

So I am glad you are admitting Russia is acting unfairly and unreasonably here.

You are also admitting that Nato/Eu act brutally and unfairly all the time

But that has its own consequences, doesn't it?

Agree

 

[Juin]

I know you’re trying to distract from Russia’s behavior now.

How so? I am pointing out that bad behaviour is not a Russian monopoly. The discussion always unrolls like Russia introduced big power misbehaviour The United Kingdom and France actually dwarf Russia when it comes to big power misbehaviour

 

[ataraxia]

How so? I am pointing out that bad behaviour is not a Russian monopoly. The discussion always unrolls like Russia introduced big power misbehaviour The United Kingdom and France actually dwarf Russia when it comes to big power misbehaviour

Not in the past 50 yrs

 

[Juin]

Russia must withdraw beyond the previous 2020 borders

That will leave ethnic minority Russians in Ukraine, who want out, under the boot of Kyiv

or Ukraine keeps killing the Russian invaders.

Ukraine has nothing to complain about then, since they are not getting killed by Russians

 

[Juin]

Not in the past 50 yrs

Naaaaaaaaaaa ataraxia, there is no statute of limitations on capital crimes.

 

[Juin]

LOL. When did the Donbass people hire the Russian army to kill Ukrainians?

The same way Kosovars hired Nato/Eu to kill Serbs

 

[ataraxia]

That will leave ethnic minority Russians in Ukraine, who want out, under the boot of Kyiv

Under the boot? What’s keeping them from going back to their motherland?

Ukraine has nothing to complain about then, since they are not getting killed by Russians

Because they’re killing Russians means they’re not getting killed themselves?

Are you playing games here?

 

[Juin]

Internal affairs. None of Russia's business.

Was Kosovo Serbian internal affairs, and none of Nato/Eu business ?

 

[j brown's body]

Donbass people are free to request military aid. They are nowhere worse then Kiev's NAZIE junta.

From another country?

 

[ataraxia]

Naaaaaaaaaaa ataraxia, there is no statute of limitations on capital crimes.

So I say we invade Mongolia for what Genghis Khan did.

 

[Lisa]

The same way Kosovars hired Nato/Eu to kill Serbs

Those Serbs were committing genocide, but dont let the facts get in your way.

Srebrenica genocide, slaying of more than 8,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) boys and men, perpetrated by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica, a town in eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina, in July 1995. In addition to the killings, more than 20,000 civilians were expelled from the area—a process known as ethnic cleansing. The massacre, which was the worst episode of mass murder within Europe since World War II, helped galvanize the West to press for a cease-fire that ended three years of warfare on Bosnia’s territory (see Bosnian conflict). However, it left deep emotional scars on survivors and created enduring obstacles to political reconciliation among Bosnia’s ethnic groups.

Srebrenica genocide | Facts, History, Map, & Photos | Britannica

The Srebrenica genocide was the slaying of more than 8,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) men and boys by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina, in July 1995. In addition more than 20,000 civilians were expelled from the area. The massacre was the worst episode of mass murder...

www.britannica.com

 

[Juin]

Nobody requested to be invaded by Russia on 24 Feb of 2022. Sell that lie to someone else who might be stupid enough to buy it.

The western media covered developments in Ukraine back in 2014. There was a pro Eu and anti Russia Maidan in Kyiv, and pro Russia and anti EU anti Maidans in heavily Russophone east and south. It was all in the media in 2014

Putin trying to call the defense forces of Ukraine Nazis is pure projection.

Why is Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera revered in Ukraine?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Russians will also stop shooting. Truce.

Yeah, because, like, Putin is all a man of his word and stuff…

 

[ataraxia]

Was Kosovo Serbian internal affairs, and none of Nato/Eu business ?

The inciting event there was human rights violations. What was the inciting event in Ukraine?

 

[Juin]

Those Serbs were committing genocide, but dont let the facts get in your way.

And that changes what? All you are saying is if you accuse your neighbour of genocide you can go ahead and attack him. That means Russia is still playing it from Nato/Eu's playbook. Ukraine's Azov fanatics genocide on minority ethnic Russians justifies Russian intervention the same way Nato/Eu accusations justified their intervention

 

[Juin]

The inciting event there was human rights violations. What was the inciting event in Ukraine?

The minority ethnic Russians of Ukraine, along with Russia have presented their cases. You are welcome to dismiss them.