Zelensky Admits He Never Intended to Implement Minsk Agreements

[Lord Tammerlain]

Whatabout who?

No what about, just branding, the proper branding and marketing is what Putin lacked

 

[reinaert]

US invaded Ukraine by overthrowing its govt -- or more precisely, NeoCon Nuland did -- same crook who helped orchestrate the illegal invasion of Iraq, and also the overthrow of Libya's govt.

Are you in Russia?

 

[TomFitz]

I do not think so. If Russia (Putin) intended to take the Donbas, he was in perfect position in 2014. He signed onto the Minsk agreement in good faith. The west (Merkel) and Zelensky have admitted it was not acting in good faith. Perhaps all of this could have been avoided.what a shame.

Putin does not act in good faith.

At the time Russian military units were operational in both states. And never left.

The Minsk Agreement was going to be used by the Russians as cover for their increasing effort to take both regions.

No, of course, with most of the fighting going on in those regions now, one has to wonder where all these pro Russian separatists are, and how come there was no uprising to welcome the Russian “Liberators”.

 

[justoneman]

Putin does not act in good faith.

At the time Russian military units were operational in both states. And never left.

The Minsk Agreement was going to be used by the Russians as cover for their increasing effort to take both regions.

No, of course, with most of the fighting going on in those regions now, one has to wonder where all these pro Russian separatists are, and how come there was no uprising to welcome the Russian “Liberators”.

Yes, there has been a constant war in the Donbas since the overthrow of the elected government in 2014.

 

[lwf]

Uhh, Crimea is Russian - nobody Ukrainian even lives there. So Crimea definitely doesn't belong with Ukraine. It was only torn away from Russia by Stalin, who deliberately gave it to Ukraine because he liked to pit different ethnic groups against each other. Stalin was not a Russian, but a Georgian - a ruler from an ethnic minority, who like Obama, felt threatened by larger populations he found himself grappling with and trying to bring under his control. That's why Stalin built up and concentrated state power under himself to such an extreme degree. We can see that ruling Democrats in the US are bent on following that template, for similar reasons.

Crimea belongs to Ukraine. Russia's annexation was illegitimate and illegal, as is it's invasion. The war will end when the Russian military has left Crimea for good and returned control to its rightful owner.

 

[lwf]

What was the purpose of the Minsk agreement then? Was it just a lie by Ukraine and the West to Russia?

Yes. It was a contract signed at gunpoint to hand over sovereign territory to Russia, and as such was never legitimate.

 

[justoneman]

Crimea belongs to Ukraine. Russia's annexation was illegitimate and illegal, as is it's invasion. The war will end when the Russian military has left Crimea for good and returned control to its rightful owner.

Then like in the Koreas and Israel, the war will not ever be over. Russia will not be removed from Crimea.

 

[justoneman]

Yes. It was a contract signed at gunpoint to hand over sovereign territory to Russia, and as such was never legitimate.

That is true with every armistice in history.

 

[lwf]

"spurious illegality" -- use of artillery and heavy rockets in bombardment of civilian-populated areas -- just a minor thing for you

because the Russians are your untermenschen - you don't see their lives as being worth anything

No, Russia doesn't see their lives as being worth anything. Otherwise they never would have started this war.

 

[lwf]

That is true with every armistice in history.

So then why should Ukrainians abide by it when Russia doesn't?

 

[MamboDervish]

Zelensky says he had no intention of following Minsk. So you can't blame Putin's decision a year ago, over what amounted to a dead agreement.

Keep rereading post #3 until you get it.
Or not.

 

[Deuce]

Uhh, Crimea is Russian -

America was torn from the natives.

 

[choiceone]

America was torn from the natives.

It would be useful if you bothered to look at how many years ago lands were stolen from other nations.

I do frankly think we ought to give a lot of land back to Native North Americans, but Putin has been behaving badly in the 21st century, not the 19th.

 

[justoneman]

So then why should Ukrainians abide by it when Russia doesn't?

Both sides in an armistice are attacking each other, in all wars. It takes good will on both sides. After Minsk 1 both sides did not adhere to the cease fire. After Minsk 2 it was mostly static and could have held. Both Merkel and Zelensky admitted they had no intentions of adhering to the agreement.

 

[iguanaman]

Zelensky has been giving interviews - with Germany's Der Spiegel and others - admitting that he never had any intention of implementing the Minsk Accords:

Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky admits that he never thought about implementing the pivotal Minsk agreements reached with the Donbass.

english.almayadeen.net

Zelenskyy takes credit for derailing Minsk Agreement meant to establish peace in eastern Ukraine

The agreements were a roadmap to peace in the Donbass where Russian speaking majority provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk had rebelled against Kyiv after the 2014 Maidan coup, which saw the impeachment of Ukraine’s democratically elected pro-Russia president

www.firstpost.com

(S+) Wolodymyr Selenskyj im Interview: »Putin ist ein Drache, der fressen muss«

Wolodymyr Selenskyj betritt eiligen Schrittes den Raum, unter seinen Augen sind dunkle Ringe. In Kiew spricht er mit dem SPIEGEL über Putin und Hitler, das schwierige Verhältnis zu Scholz – und positive Momente im Krieg.

www.spiegel.de

So if he had no desire to respect them, then why is Putin being singled out for violating them?

They were nothing but a ploy to annex more territory for Russia. There was never any doubt that any fair vote would fail in the occupied territories. Surely you knew that. Putin is being singled out for invading Ukraine and murdering 10's of 1000's of Ukrainians. Surely you know that.

 

[sanman]

They were nothing but a ploy to annex more territory for Russia. There was never any doubt that any fair vote would fail in the occupied territories. Surely you knew that. Putin is being singled out for invading Ukraine and murdering 10's of 1000's of Ukrainians. Surely you know that.

Don't blame Putin for the collapse of the Minsk Accords, when clearly the Ukraine and others had no desire to implement them, as clearly seen by Zelensky's own admissions.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Zelensky says he had no intention of following Minsk. So you can't blame Putin's decision a year ago, over what amounted to a dead agreement.

Ah, the "look what Zelensky made Putin do!" approach.

Tired and worn.

 

[justoneman]

They were nothing but a ploy to annex more territory for Russia. There was never any doubt that any fair vote would fail in the occupied territories. Surely you knew that. Putin is being singled out for invading Ukraine and murdering 10's of 1000's of Ukrainians. Surely you know that.

The people in Donbas are majority ethnic Russians. This is why there was and is, civil war there after the overthrow of the elected president of Ukraine in 2014. They most certainly would vote to be part of Russia, or at least independent of Ukraine.

 

[iguanaman]

The people in Donbas are majority ethnic Russians. This is why there was and is, civil war there after the overthrow of the elected president of Ukraine in 2014. They most certainly would vote to be part of Russia, or at least independent of Ukraine.

No matter what language they speak they are Ukrainians first and there was no civil war until Putin financed an army of misfits and Russian army regulars to overturn the elected Govt. in those areas and install a communist dictatorship. There has never been any chance of a fair vote that would have given Russia control so stop the lying.

 

[justoneman]

No matter what language they speak they are Ukrainians first and there was no civil war until Putin financed an army of misfits and Russian army regulars to overturn the elected Govt. in those areas and install a communist dictatorship. There has never been any chance of a fair vote that would have given Russia control so stop the lying.

You do not know the history of it.

 

[anatta]

US invaded Ukraine by overthrowing its govt -- or more precisely, NeoCon Nuland did -- same crook who helped orchestrate the illegal invasion of Iraq, and also the overthrow of Libya's govt.

that was Susan Rice and Hillary, but they are birds of a feather with Nuland...

 

[iguanaman]

Don't blame Putin for the collapse of the Minsk Accords, when clearly the Ukraine and others had no desire to implement them, as clearly seen by Zelensky's own admissions.

The entire accord was a nothing but a joke on Ukraine. There was never any intention Russia implementing it fairly and the world knew it. The "voting" that finally took place was at the end of a gun.

 

[iguanaman]

You do not know the history of it.

Yes I do and most Russian speakers are fighting in the Ukraine army as we speak. They hate Russia even more now that they have invaded them and destroyed their homes.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Uhh, Crimea is Russian - nobody Ukrainian even lives there. So Crimea definitely doesn't belong with Ukraine. It was only torn away from Russia by Stalin, who deliberately gave it to Ukraine because he liked to pit different ethnic groups against each other. Stalin was not a Russian, but a Georgian - a ruler from an ethnic minority, who like Obama, felt threatened by larger populations he found himself grappling with and trying to bring under his control. That's why Stalin built up and concentrated state power under himself to such an extreme degree. We can see that ruling Democrats in the US are bent on following that template, for similar reasons.

<SARC>Thank you for your learned dissertation equating Messers Obama and Stalin.</SARC>

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

What was the purpose of the Minsk agreement then? Was it just a lie by Ukraine and the West to Russia?

You'd have to ask the people who made the agreement what THEIR purpose was rather than asking the people who took the totally indefensible position that the agreement had already been abrogated due to the invasion of their country - wouldn't you?