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Your thoughts about Chile's Pinochet, 40 years after the coup.

What type of dicator was Pinochet


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As many readers here know this issue is split for most people, some think he was a despot, mild, good, evil, progressive, etc etc etc type of dictator.

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1973 Chilean Coup | Democracy Now!


In my view he was no doubt a dictator, however from my foreign to Chile perspective he was actually not all too bad as he did move the economy forward, with a high social cost, yes.

Give me your educated (not random please) vote on the type of dictator he was.
 

No such thing as a good dictator.
 
Screw Pinochet - long live Allende!
 
When Thatcher had to put her murderous pal under house arrest! How I laughed!
 
No such thing as a good dictator.

Please, Tito of Yugoslavia, Chavez (maybe? re-elected three times), José Figueras of Costa Rica (abolished the military as a dictator), Octavian of Rome (and the other 3 good dictators), Seriously man, Above I said EDUCATED vote/response/comment.

There are good dictators, end of story, often times they're even elected to be dictators. Further debate? make your own thread. This is one is to focus on Pinochet, so if you will comment it best be on Pinochet and his accomplishments/failures and why you feel they are such.
 

At the risk of repeating myself, there is NO SUCH THING as a good dictator.
 


Na man..my family lived during the 1970 election and through the coup. The economy under allende was good. Allende nationalized the copper mines, the wages were good, free education. When Pinochet came in the wages decreased, the University prices skyrocketed, he gave back the copper mines to the U.S. But the economy got so bad that he had to do the same thing as Allende...nationalized the copper mines...But he did create programs to help people buy homes.

But the truth is that the U.S intervention had nothing to do with money..Had everything to do with the stoping the domino effect of Marxism/Socialism.

I also blame the U.S for killing one of the best poets since walt whitman. pablo neruda....
 
Lets see here a guy who overthrew a democratically elected president and set up concentration camps is not "good", thats just evil.
 
Lets see here a guy who overthrew a democratically elected president and set up concentration camps is not "good", thats just evil.

Yes, almost as evil as the Castro-dictatorship in Cuba.
 
Yes, almost as evil as the Castro-dictatorship in Cuba.

ok.:roll:
Except Castro overthrew a dictator and then established himself as dictator, and he didnt set up massive concentration camps, and he extended social services to his people, and established a democratic congress.
Castro>Pinochet
 
ok.:roll:
Except Castro overthrew a dictator and then established himself as dictator, and he didnt set up massive concentration camps, and he extended social services to his people, and established a democratic congress.
Castro>Pinochet

Castro did establish concentration camps, suppressed all democracy, killed a lot more people than Pinochet, turned Cuba into one big prison and followed a disastrous economic policy.
 
Why are you diverting the thread away from Pinochet? Do you support him simply because he was right wing?

No, I didn't support Pinochet. Just illustrating that many of the people opposing Pinochet don't necessarily support democracy but are every bit as bad or worse.
 
my family lived during the 1970 election and through the coup. The economy under allende was good.

I don't know about that guy.
BBC NEWS | Business | Did Pinochet kill or cure Chile?

See I read here that the inflation rate was 1000% under Allende and later brought down to 10% under Pinochet, now I don't know which policies actually fixed this (or how long it took) might have been Allende's, but to say the economy was good is maybe an overstatement.

With 1000% inflation I'm not surprised that education skyrocketed as all public benefits were probably slashed and privatized in order to stabilize the economy.

I didn't know that Pinochet reverted to nationalizing the copper industry though.

One thing I don't understand is why "9 percent said he will go down as one of the greatest leaders in history" [First link under "chile"] Chile.
Why is that Chileans who live in Chile would make such statement?
 

The Pinochet dictatorship was pretty brutal and repressive, but did manage to get the economy back on track and was broadly welcomed by the middle class (which was the main victim of Allende's pretty disastrous policies).
 
No, I didn't support Pinochet. Just illustrating that many of the people opposing Pinochet don't necessarily support democracy but are every bit as bad or worse.

Which is totally irrelevent to the thread topic. Leftist hypocrisy has nothing to do with peoples opinion of Pinochet, and only serves to derail the thread.
 
 
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The Pinochet dictatorship was pretty brutal and repressive, but did manage to get the economy back on track and was broadly welcomed by the middle class (which was the main victim of Allende's pretty disastrous policies).

Victims, do you have any evidence ?
 
 
Victims, do you have any evidence ?

His "Chilean Path to Socialism" resulted in very high inflation, led to large-scale expropriations and ultimatemy provoked large-scale strikes by truckers, small businessmen, etc. which he tried but failed to suppress. I don't support the cruel and authoritarian dictatorship of Pinochet but Allende wasn't really a democrat either and was pretty much a disaster for Chile.
 
Dude, thats a 43 page pdf... can't you just give me a normal reference such as that, read page #x,
That's as good as no reference, and you posted a few more...

Dude its called ctrl-f or command-f. Learn to use your computer.....Since you couldn't.. its on page 196...


Yes I meant his first year, The inflation came down from 36% to 22% in his first year. Its on Page 196.. He put some of his reforms in by 1970

Here is a suitable reference since it won't take anyone here a few weeks to read:
http://www.inflation.eu/images/charts/infl-chart-3-1-54.jpg
Historic inflation of Chile since 1970.

Whats your point ? you you already agreed with the link I provided. Do you agree that nixon Sabotage the economy of allende ?

I looked up your other references, Heraldo Muñoz fine, I won't read the book but I will accept the reference which may or may not be biased. The other guy, who is he? Bs. arts? history? masters? phd? mom's basement? seriously.
And.... you want me to find more references saying how the nixon administration destroyed the economy of Chile during Allende? It is pretty clear...if nixon didn't intervene than we could have seen if the economy would have lasted.


I disagree...Allende wasn't trying to convince the military. He was trying to convince the middle class for socialism. That was his biggest mistake not siding with the military. Hugo Chavez was in the military, he learned from Allende and sided with the military. The people wanted Allende...Pablo Neruda, Víctor Jara, Sergio Ortega, Quilapayún and Inti-Illimani contributed towards the election of Allende. He had to be authoritative in order to counter the coup, which is the reason why there is still a socialist and communist party in Chile.
 
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You still didn't post any evidence....
 
Pinochet was not really a good leader, but he was better than the alternative. I really don't think Allende was a proper democrat either. Or else they could have just waited for another three years and kicked him out. He was similar to Chavez who only believe in Democracy in terms of voting, but then thinks that gives him the right to control freedom of speech, and the courts.

So Pinochet prevented Allende from destroying the country, but Chile living standards only improved significantly when Pinochet got replaced with Patricio Aylwin, a more moderate leader.
 
You still didn't post any evidence....

Here is what Wikipedia says about his years.


Whats your point ? you you already agreed with the link I provided. Do you agree that nixon Sabotage the economy of allende ?
It's so pathetic when socialist accuse the US of their own failures. Its not easy to get hyperinflation, so if you get hyperinflation it means you are a failure.

No, I think copper prices dropped, and Allende tried to solve it by a massive expansionary policy and doing reforms that were destroying business. When economic output falls, and the monetary base massively increases then you will get hyperinflation.
 
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Here is what Wikipedia says about his years.

And I guess you didn't read any of my post that counter that accusation. Read the whole thread...then we can talk...
 
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