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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"

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No, you've only addressed half of what I said. I said they were either in ghettos *or* lived together in work camps. IOW, your claim that they were isolated from each other has no substantiation.



As the paper I posted shows, the gaps decreases with succeeding generations. Your claim that "he current group of immigrants will have successive generations that perform below that threshold" is completely contradicted by my link.
 
sangha said:
No, you've only addressed half of what I said. I said they were either in ghettos *or* lived together in work camps. IOW, your claim that they were isolated from each other has no substantiation.
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The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you are completely dishonest or simply ignore what I wrote: I acknowledged they lived in isloated communities. Where I stated they were different is the number of such communities and how widespread they were


As the paper I posted shows, the gaps decreases with succeeding generations. Your claim that "he current group of immigrants will have successive generations that perform below that threshold" is completely contradicted by my link.
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Again, read what you respond to: I pointed to the fact that that generational shift is directly dependent on the education level and earning potential of the parents. Then pointed out that modern mexican immigrants are less educated and earn less than past mexican immigrants. Thus, the speed and proficiency that they assimilate will be lower and slower.

No where did I disagree with the idea that the gap decreases.
 

I disputed your claim that Chinese immigrants lived apart from each other. They did not.




Again, read what I responded with: The study points out that the gaps close with each succeeding generation.

Remember that the argument you jumped into the middle with included the claim that the lack of assimilation (which doesn't exist) was going to result in American culture being displaced by Latino culture. The fact that successive generations do assimilate (even if at a slower rate) means that the cumulative effects of Latino immigration, which supposedly will lead to this displacement, will not occur.

It looks like, once again, you're obsessing over some perceived problem with some minor point (ex the starting point for Latino immigrants) in order to avoid discussing the larger issue, which is the absurd claim that Latino culture will displace American culture.

No where did I disagree with the idea that the gap decreases.
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In which case, I hope you can see past whatever quibbles you have and see how inane it is to claim that Latino culture will replace American culture since Latinos are assimilating (though it may happen at a slower pace than it has in the past)
 
sangha said:
I disputed your claim that Chinese immigrants lived apart from each other. They did not.
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This was never claimed.



Again, read what I responded with: The study points out that the gaps close with each succeeding generation.
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Yes, I did read it. It's why I directly addressed the claim and pointed out such assimilation is dependent on the education level and earning potential of the parents, and when they are low, such assimilation occurs at a slower rate

Now this is the third time I have explained this clearly. So you might want to stop ignoring it.



1) Ugh, so you're saying that these immigrants being poor and uneducated and producing more poor and uneducated children doesn't speak to the merits of tighter controls on their immigration?

2) No, actually you were arguing the assimilation patterns should be the same as the past.

sangha said:
Immigrants today, with just a few minor exceptions, face most of the same pressures to assimilate and throughout american history millions of Latinos have done just that
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Dr. Chuckles said:
This was never claimed.
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It's possible I misunderstand, and if so, my bad. However, if they did live with each other then that would help them not assimilate and yet, they did assimilate. IOW, I don't see how their example argues for or against the idea that Latinos are not going to assimilate.


And I still don't see how that argues in favor of the idea that american culture is in danger of being displaced by Latino culture.

It seems that, once again, you're obsessing over some niggling notion (the unproven idea that Latinos will assimilate at a slower rate than they have in the past) which has no bearing on the main thrust of the discussion that was taking place (which was Gath's inane idea that American culture is somehow threatened by Latino immigrants)



Since I never said either of those things, it's obvious you're just raising straw men in order to avoid discussing the main point of contention that Gath and I have been debating.
 
sangha said:
It's possible I misunderstand, and if so, my bad. However, if they did live with each other then that would help them not assimilate and yet, they did assimilate.
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this was re-quoted in the post you just responded to:

And I still don't see how that argues in favor of the idea that american culture is in danger of being displaced by Latino culture.
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This discussion started because you claimed assimilation patterns should be the same as the past.

Since I never said either of those things, it's obvious you're just raising straw men in order to avoid discussing the main point of contention that Gath and I have been debating.
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sangha said:
Immigrants today, with just a few minor exceptions, face most of the same pressures to assimilate and throughout american history millions of Latinos have done just that
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Dr. Chuckles said:
this was re-quoted in the post you just responded to:




This discussion started because you claimed assimilation patterns should be the same as the past.
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That statement of mine does not say that the patterns will be "the same" as in the past. It says they should be "similar" in that Latinos will continue to assimilate (though maybe at a slower rate)

As usual, you are imposing your own interpretation of what someone else said so you can focus on some pedantic little point and avoid the issue being debated.

Do you think american culture will be replaced by latino culture?

Can you describe the ways in which Latinos are not assimilating into american culture (and slower economic assimilation is neither "not assimilating", nor "cultural assimilation")?
 

Is this a joke post? I hope so.
 
I found the commercial to be annoying. It obviously was intended to give a multicultural point of view.
 
America is never going to have one culture. The North and the South are completely different. Different regions of the US have different issues and problems. I live near the Canadian boarder, so I don't much relate to issues people living in the southwest deal with.

 
My Dad's side of the family took part in a well know post WWII worker program to rebuild Germany. Immigrants from all over Europe went to Germany, and obviously they rebuild the nation fine. :lol:


 
Shadow Serious said:
I found the commercial to be annoying. It obviously was intended to give a multicultural point of view.
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I believe the intent was to create a commercial that Coke could place the one scene with the obviously homosexual family into. I believe the "America the Beautiful" and multicultural theme was only there to be a vehicle for that one image that I mentioned.

If you go back over several months Coca-Cola Company has been getting beaten up by GLAAD online due to Coke's sponsorship of the Olympics in Russia. There had been lots of online talk about boycotting Coca-Cola over their sponsorship because of Putin's comments about homosexuality. With these calls to boycott Coke were appeals to switch to Pepsi.

I believe this is what was behind this commercial.
 

Or it may be a last minute decision, either way it did get Coke attention didn't it? :lol:
 
Shadow Serious said:
Or it may be a last minute decision, either way it did get Coke attention didn't it? :lol:
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I don't think anything is last minute, and yes it did get attention. But so did 'New Coke'.
 
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