Electronic tracking bracelets then?
The White House, after stating recently that it will look to expand alternatives to incarceration, has devised a cost-effective plan: ankle monitors. Instead of detaining illegal immigrants, especially families with young children, the federal government has decided that affixing these monitors to the ankles of immigrants is a practical, cheap, and relatively easy way to allow illegal immigrants to go about their daily routine, but also alert authorities if they attempt to flee.
It is a solution that, on the surface, would seem to satisfy both sides of the immigration debate. Immigration hawks can be confident that illegal aliens are not going to escape justice, and the cost to taxpayers is minimized. Meanwhile, supporters of illegal immigrants can rest assured that they are not being thrown in jail with hardened criminals and will have some freedom to live a normal life, save for a slight heaviness on one ankle. Clearly, ankle bracelets do not solve the problem, but they are a step in the right direction.
That should have read "isn't" in point 1Two things here.
1. It's not just "serious crimes" as you dishonestly try to pass off here. Its arrest period. If you are placed under arrest for anything and your children are present, unless there is a family member right there with you, those kids are going to DCFS. Fact.
2. Asking for asylum is a process, unless done correctly, it is just an excuse to attempt to avoid prosecution for entering illegally.
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These kids aren't being held in "concentration camps" either...lol
Yes he did.Obama did it?
How is it not the topic? there is no difference in pulling a kid out of a US home for X reason and separating a kid at the border for X reason.Children are separated from their parents in the U.S. for all kinds of reasons. That is not the topic of this thread and conflating an immigration policy with those circumstances is not accurate.
i am simply waiting for the same frothing of the mouth outrage by liberals is all.
We're pretty pissed off, dude. This is a horrible practice that needs to end. Is there some reason you want it to continue?
Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.nope i am waiting for the 500 threads railing against obama and clinton,
From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.CPS and other such agencies that separate kids from their parents.
this should really piss you off then.
https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/
The left, in fact, went nuts over an ACLU report that showed rampant child abuse from children detained without their parents. The problem was that the report covered 2009-2014, a period when Barack Obama was President.
the photo's at the bottom which are the ones circulating around the internet were obama.
https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/
so i will wait for you to start a thread of your outrage on the acts of the obama administration.
my solution is simple.
expedited asylum hearings.
line them up see if they fit the criteria for asylum which about 75% do not and then ship them to the deportation line right there.
simple easy and they can all go back as a family.
shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes a case.
Its funny cause I mentioned ankle bracelets as a way to keep track of them and got attacked for suggesting it.I've read multiple stories of these parents, some before the Zero Tolerance policy was put in place.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...treat-other-criminals/?utm_term=.375409f26fad
There are other parents in that story.
Deported without her child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html
Since there is no protocol or policy to keep track of the kids for the purpose of reuniting them, it will become much more common.
Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.
From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.
You want to give people 10 minute trials in a court of law. Yeah, you don't give a **** about due process. This is Deuce's complete lack of surprise.
Fun fact: some of these people have gotten hearings that last less than a minute. Do you support that too?
Why should he do that? They willingly broke the law and they should pay the consequence.The president's authority over criminal investigations. He can direct the DOJ to cease criminal investigations against asylum seekers and their children. The families can be released with an order to return for court dates to evaluate their asylum cases.
I support that.
Judge: "Did you cross the border illegally?"
Illegal alien: "Si, senor."
Case closed, deportation order issued by court minions. Next one, please.
Why should he do that? They willingly broke the law and they should pay the consequence.
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They are not being charged for seeking asylum. At this point I would not think it would need to be pointed out to you. Your either being intentionally misleading or your woefully misinformedIt's not illegal to come into the US and request asylum. In fact, you're required to be on US soil to do it.
They were presidents and they allowed it to go on. as i said i didn't expect you to rant and rail.Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.
From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.
You want to give people 10 minute trials in a court of law. Yeah, you don't give a **** about due process. This is Deuce's complete lack of surprise.
Fun fact: some of these people have gotten hearings that last less than a minute. Do you support that too?
Yeah, they are.
yes we know you can't help your intellectual dishonesty. i proved in this thread.
The fact is that previous administrations separated kids from their families that was the outrage and now you are moving the goal posts.
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Wow, this "nonprofit" Southwest Key Programs is making a cool 458 million from this and has made over a billion. No wonder they don't mind opening another one.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/imm...ate-shelters-immigrant-children-southwest-key
Just damn.
WASHINGTON — The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created "tent cities" is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.
... keeping children with their parents in detention centers like the one run by U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement in Dilley, Texas cost $298 per resident per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014.
At those prices, the additional cost to operate a 400-bed temporary structure for one month at capacity would be more than $5 million. The average stay for separated kids is nearly two months.
Because they have crossed the border illegally. What is this so hard to understand? What you want is to allow fence jumpers at the white house to then claim "I'm here for the tour!"
You don't want to be charged with a crime before applying for asylum? Great! We don't want you breaking the law either! The way you do it is by entering through the designated ports.
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
But it was Obama who "arranged" for 2 loads of mass immigration from Latin America.
The first one was not publicized much in the media, however, the second one, for which Obama's administration had received notice of several months in advance, is the one we all saw on TV for weeks on end.
These fake "immigration" events were arranged and facilitated by Obama himself.
You may not agree with the source below, but you can't argue or deny the timeline and actions Obama undertook that led to 2 mass immigrations under his administration, starting with his April 2009 Summit of the Americas.
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...eparations-with-a-historic-recap/#more-150718
Yes he did.
https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/
How is it not the topic? there is no difference in pulling a kid out of a US home for X reason and separating a kid at the border for X reason.
the fact is that in both cases the kids are pulled out of their home and away from their parents for X reason. what those reasons are vary from case to case.
Its funny cause I mentioned ankle bracelets as a way to keep track of them and got attacked for suggesting it.
How do you feel about the EO Trump signed to keep the families together. Does it satisfy your concerns? Also it hinges on the judge relaxing her order and allowing the gov to keep children in their custody for longer than 20 days when necessary. If she refuses to do that are you gonna be upset with her or Trump? It's her ruling that is behind a lot of these problems.
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They weren't previously charged with a crime. Because of Sessions new Zero Tolerance, they now are charged with a crime. That is what lead to this crisis. It was completely avoidable. As I quoted earlier:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
There's the law.
I don't have time to guess which of the 5 links of declassified information you are wanting me to open and what inside those links, you think is pertinent to your claim. Please quote and link the information you wis
No, he didn't:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
No, Donald Trump?s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama?s policy | PunditFact
Trump aims to prosecute everyone for a crime and that's what is separating kids from their parents since zero tolerance was implemented. Obama did not have a widespread practice that resulted in the separation of families and where they were separated it was under the suspicion that there was trafficking going on.
I didn't mention ankle bracelets. I've heard some bad things about them, but I haven't studied that.
I haven't had a chance to read it. What I've heard reported doesn't please me. Zero Tolerance is still in effect. ICE will continue to arrest people. Criminal charges are going to be brought against the parents. They could go to jail and their children will be without them again. What judge? I haven't read that. Please link. No, it's Trump's Zero Tolerance that caused this problem.
Its unconscionable to separate babies from their mothers at abortion clinics too but it happens every day.
Just a question Gina, aren't you Australian?They weren't previously charged with a crime. Because of Sessions new Zero Tolerance, they now are charged with a crime. That is what lead to this crisis. It was completely avoidable. As I quoted earlier:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
There's the law.
I don't have time to guess which of the 5 links of declassified information you are wanting me to open and what inside those links, you think is pertinent to your claim. Please quote and link the information you wis
No, he didn't:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
No, Donald Trump?s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama?s policy | PunditFact
Trump aims to prosecute everyone for a crime and that's what is separating kids from their parents since zero tolerance was implemented. Obama did not have a widespread practice that resulted in the separation of families and where they were separated it was under the suspicion that there was trafficking going on.
I didn't mention ankle bracelets. I've heard some bad things about them, but I haven't studied that.
I haven't had a chance to read it. What I've heard reported doesn't please me. Zero Tolerance is still in effect. ICE will continue to arrest people. Criminal charges are going to be brought against the parents. They could go to jail and their children will be without them again. What judge? I haven't read that. Please link. No, it's Trump's Zero Tolerance that caused this problem.
Then what is it on that page that you wish me to read? Please quote. I'm not rope-a-doping you. I want to know specifically what it is you want me to read.There are no 5 links, only 1, and there is no declassified info.
Just a question Gina, aren't you Australian?
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Yes, we know Obama's admin more often just let the families through and lost total track of them... how is that good for America?
Woah there, Trump didn't create the problem, people trying to enter the country illegally did, people coming here because they are told they can get free welfare, social security, housing, education paid for, jobs (at pay well uner what a US Citizen would get).
Exactly, because they're criminals and you don't know what sort of abuse and crimes they would have been subjected to by their parents seeking asylum in the United States. By very virtue of attempting to come to our country, they demonstrated how unfit they are to be parents. But who better to be a parent then government? Government is the solution to everything, and government will provide the better parent by taking these poor and potentially abused children from their potentially abusive parents and instead put them into detention centers for unspecified periods of times.
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