"You will own nothing and you will be happy!"

[Geoist]

All I need is to be left alone.

Good luck getting that in corporatist-run America.

 

[What if...?]

I made no threats. All I did was point out what the reality would be and the most certain reaction to a attempts to take us away from a free market capitalist economy.

If I said thing would turn out badly for someone who breaks into a lion cage to steal the lion's food. How is my warning about how the lion would surely react a "threat"?

'Cept it's not lions.

It's paper tigers.

Capitalism no longer needs you to buy it's products. No more need to get a million people.to give a grand each to get a billions dollars, so you gotta make sure the got that grand.

Just get a dollar from 1/7th of the world's population.

We aint special no more. And capitalism does not give a **** about you and yours. It's been eroding our standard of living for decades. And it isn't going to stop. It just doesn't make economic sense.

 

[PirateMk1]

I think they actually just tax everybody including businesses more and use that money to provide services.

And get this. Some of those countries have as much as two months paid vacation every year.

****ing serfs!

Then go live there if that appeals to you.

 

[What if...?]

Then go live there if that appeals to you.

Why wouldn't anybody think that that isn't better than "I got mine, **** you!", which is what our system has become.

 

[Geoist]

Land is often private property. Socialism hasn't been advocating for taking land and homes from everyone.

I'd argue private property in land/resources are the first things that need to be addressed. In fact, I'm pretty sure land ownership was what Proudhon was referring to when he stated "Property is theft!"

 

[Court Jester]

'Cept it's not lions.

It's paper tigers.

Capitalism no longer needs you to buy it's products. No more need to get a million people.to give a grand each to get a billions dollars, so you gotta make sure the got that grand.

Just get a dollar from 1/7th of the world's population.

We aint special no more. And capitalism does not give a **** about you and yours. It's been eroding our standard of living for decades. And it isn't going to stop. It just doesn't make economic sense.

My standard of living has on been increasing each decade, and in a another decade even more so exponentially.

So, I guess if what you say is true, then this means war?

If you missed the boat, then you missed the boat. Not sure how to make you feel better about that?

 

[Geoist]

Our women spanked yours this last year in both hockey AND soccer.

The women, eh? How about those Canadian NHL teams?

Congrats on finally getting to the Stanley Cup Final last spring. Too bad it still hasn't been hoisted by a Canadian team since 1993.

 

[Antiwar]

I'd argue private property in land/resources are the first things that need to be addressed

Why?

In fact, I'm pretty sure land ownership was what Proudhon was referring to when he stated "Property is theft!"

He also said "Property is freedom!," according to this Wikipedia page:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[What if...?]

My standard of living has on been increasing each decade, and in a another decade even more so exponentially.

So, I guess if what you say is true, then this means war?

If you missed the boat, then you missed the boat. Not sure how to make you feel better about that?

I never needed a boat. I just don't need ever MOAR. I've taken the road less travelled by with amazing success.

I was just born with a strong expression of the genes for empathy and can't help but see the suffering that comes with the exponential accumulation of wealth.

There's a balance where the rich get richer and the poor get less poor.

It just doesn't exist where the rich own the system through the political.process.

Why would it?

 

[What if...?]

Why?



He also said "Property is freedom!," according to this Wikipedia page:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Geoist's position is based on the idea that land is finite. And population isn't. So it's only a matter of time before ownership of it becomes exploitive because people are shitty.

So he posits a way to address this without frequent upheavals and/or privation.

 

[Geoist]

Why?

Because, like most other libertarian-socialists, I believe people should own the value they create themselves but share in the land and natural resources which none of us created but we all benefit. This is not to say I oppose private possession of land (so long as it is in use) but that there should be a ground rent paid to the community for their loss of access.

He also said "Property is freedom!," according to this Wikipedia page:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yes he did. It all depends on the property and who possesses it.

 

[Court Jester]

I never needed a boat. I just don't need ever MOAR. I've taken the road less travelled by with amazing success.

I was just born with a strong expression of the genes for empathy and can't help but see the suffering that comes with the exponential accumulation of wealth.

There's a balance where the rich get richer and the poor get less poor.

It just doesn't exist where the rich own the system through the political.process.

Why would it?

I generally despise the poor. In my opinion poor people are usually there due to a lifetime of bad choices. How hard is to get to the middle class in America? You could basically coast to the middle class here as long as you aren't half a retard but have a tiny bit of ambition.

 

[Geoist]

I generally despise the poor.

Of course you do.

 

[What if...?]

I generally despise the poor. In my opinion poor people are usually there due to a lifetime of bad choices. How hard is to get to the middle class in America? You could basically coast to the middle class here as long as you aren't half a retard but have a tiny bit of ambition.

The middle class here is much smaller and less wealthey than it used to be. It can still he done, but it used to just come with doing your job. Now many of those jobs aren't considered worthy of providing that lifestyle.

This was decided by the folks who got all that money instead.

Fancy that.

 

[Geoist]

Why?



He also said "Property is freedom!," according to this Wikipedia page:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

From the Wikipedia page:

By "property", Proudhon referred to a concept regarding land property that originated in Roman law: the sovereign right of property, the right of the proprietor to do with his property as he pleases, "to use and abuse," so long as in the end he submits to state-sanctioned title. Proudhon contrasts the supposed right of property with the rights (which he considered valid) of liberty, equality, and security. Proudhon was clear that his opposition to property did not extend to exclusive possession of labor-made wealth.

 

[Antiwar]

Because, like most other libertarian-socialists, I believe people should own the value they create themselves but share in the land and natural resources which none of us created but we all benefit. This is not to say I oppose private possession of land (so long as it is in use) but that there should be a ground rent paid to the community for their loss of access.

What determines if property is in use?

Yes he did. It all depends on the property and who possesses it.

So, "Property is theft, depending on the property, who owns it, and if it's in use!"

 

[What if...?]

Because, like most other libertarian-socialists, I believe people should own the value they create themselves but share in the land and natural resources which none of us created but we all benefit. This is not to say I oppose private possession of land (so long as it is in use) but that there should be a ground rent paid to the community for their loss of access.



Yes he did. It all depends on the property and who possesses it.

An interesting thought on this subject is that we evolved and entered early civilization in a world where you just found a spot and lived there. Maybe for a season, then years and generations. But it was there for you to use if nobody else was. Not too long ago here.

And at some point we couldn't do that anymore. All the land was already owned. Everybody born after could no longer just carve themselves a home in the wilderness.

And instead of trying to address this in some way where we were compensated in some way, we got rents for shelter that never cost labor for someone else in exchange before.

 

[Geoist]

What determines if property is in use?

If they're living on the property and/or use the property for their work I consider that 'in use.' Obviously legally it would be difficult to determine certain cases as 'in use' or 'out of use' so I just support ground rent aka land value tax.

So, "Property is theft, depending on the property, who owns it, and if it's in use!"

Check out my other post.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The women, eh? How about those Canadian NHL teams?

Congrats on finally getting to the Stanley Cup Final last spring. Too bad it still hasn't been hoisted by a Canadian team since 1993.

you DO know that most of the players on Tampa Bay are either from Canada, Sweden or Russia, right?

 

[Allan]

I'm at the front of the line for a Trabant. Estimated delivery is June 32nd, 2052.

0 to 60 in 2.5 hours! Available options in refurbished models include vodka bottle holders.

 

[Allan]

Yeah, but the highest you can go is 75 MPH. Over there, they do 155 MPH.

Makes us look like kiddy car losers.

Yup. Germans change flats at 75 mph.

 

[Peter]

My ancestors came here precisely because they thought Europe sucked. I feel the same.

What exactly do you think sucks about Europe?
Is it our superior public health coverage, maybe our much better public transport options or maybe our much better holiday provision from employers?

 

[Peter]

I'm at the front of the line for a Trabant. Estimated delivery is June 32nd, 2052.

How did you get that lucky?
I'm on the waiting list to get on the waiting list.

 

[bongsaway]

They are not Socialists either. I still dont want their system. They do them. We do us. They can go be subjects of the government and enjoy it. I would rather not.

We do our system of capitalism until it crashes and we the taxpayers have to bail out the 'free markets.' In the meantime let fortune five hundred companies pay no federal taxes and the super wealthy pay no income tax since they don't have income. Man our system is great, if you are in the one percent.

 

[Helix]

How did you get that lucky?
I'm on the waiting list to get on the waiting list.

I'm in the attic wearing headphones in order to spy on intellectuals who own nice leather jackets. That earns one a Trabant, and it cuts the waiting time down a bit.