You can choose not to be pregnant without abortion.

[Iriemon]

You can take this point:

"25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie"

Applies to an awful lot of conservative so-called "Christians" who intentionally misinterpret and mischaracterize the Bible for their own political agenda, IMO.

 

[jimmyjack]

Applies to an awful lot of conservative so-called "Christians" who intentionally misinterpret and mischaracterize the Bible for their own political agenda, IMO.

what does the bible say about abortion?

Read and weep:


http://206.135.15.32/answers/aabort.Html

 

[BodiSatva]

"Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted."

Terrific.

 

[jimmyjack]

"Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted."

Terrific.

Yes, when you mourn for the death of the millions killed by abortion, you will be comforted, but not until you recognise the fact that they are murdered people. You will have to wait for comfort until you recognise abortion is murder.

 

[BodiSatva]

"but not until you recognise the fact that they are murdered people"

I have recognized this...need I tell you AGAIN?

"when you mourn for the death of the millions killed by abortion, you will be comforted"

I mourn their death.
I am not comforted.

Why would you be comforted by these killings?
Simply because you mourned them?
That sucks...great display of emotional intelligence.

"you will have to wait for comfort until you recognise abortion is murder."

I am comforted by many things...one of which is the fact that you are grasping at straws in an effort to prove something...and it would be interesting to know what that something even is. is your whole point to simply attack and degrade? Is that your enlightened biblical truth?

 

[jimmyjack]

"but not until you recognise the fact that they are murdered people"

I have recognized this...need I tell you AGAIN?

"when you mourn for the death of the millions killed by abortion, you will be comforted"

I mourn their death.
I am not comforted.

Why would you be comforted by these killings?
Simply because you mourned them?
That sucks...great display of emotional intelligence.

"you will have to wait for comfort until you recognise abortion is murder."

I am comforted by many things...one of which is the fact that you are grasping at straws in an effort to prove something...and it would be interesting to know what that something even is. is your whole point to simply attack and degrade? Is that your enlightened biblical truth?

I don’t make a habit of insulting people, although I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything given that killing babies doesn’t even cause your conscious any trouble.

 

[BodiSatva]

I wasn't offended...really, stop assuming so much...
And that is that then, since you have yet to display that you can understand anything that I have said.

Arrive at the conclusions that ye may...

 

[jimmyjack]

I wasn't offended...really, stop assuming so much...
And that is that then, since you have yet to display that you can understand anything that I have said.

Arrive at the conclusions that ye may...

I didn't say I did insult you; it is you that is “assuming so much”.

My conclusion:

I don’t think I’m the only one who cannot understand things that you say.

 

[BodiSatva]

Hahaha OMG! This is almost to much. :lol:

jimmy - "My conclusion: I don’t think I’m the only one who cannot understand things that you say."


This can't be for real, can it... :roll:

Let me help lead you by the hand on this one...Here you go jimmy...

Jimmy - "I don’t make a habit of insulting people, although I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything "

OK so far?

"I wasn't offended...really, stop assuming so much... And that is that then, since you have yet to display that you can understand anything that I have said. Arrive at the conclusions that ye may..."

Nowhere do I mention that you insulted me or that you said that you insulted me...are you following?

jimmy - "I didn't say I did insult you"

Huh? What? I did not say that you insulted me nor did I say that you said that you insulted me. IS THIS CLEAR? Do you see that I said that you insulted me in this statement?

Nope, I did not think so.
Do you understand this so far?

What I did say was this - "I wasn't offended"

BECAUSE you said - "I struggle to see how you can be offended "

See how this line of communication actually transpired? You say, "although I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything" And I respond, "I wasn't offended".

HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME IN THERE?

It appears that you have trouble understanding yourself or remembering what you say...no idea, nor do I care. All I do know is that this is about as clear as it gets...It is over and you lost in a big way. so again...

"And that is that then, since you have yet to display that you can understand anything that I have said. " :2wave:

 

[jimmyjack]

Then you must assume insults are not offensive.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The answer should be to leave the fundamentalists out of it at whatever cost. They have no say with my beatiful sister, according to the Supreme Court my beatiful sisters have the right of Privacy

I have the Supreme Court and their decisions, I answer only to those who pay for my thoughts, eee, eee, aaaayyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

 

[BodiSatva]

Jimmy - "I don’t make a habit of insulting people, although I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything "
Bodi responds - "I wasn't offended"
Jimmy - "Then you must assume insults are not offensive”

Insults are offensive jimmy. Why would you assume that my assumption was that insults are not offensive? This question requires answering for it is relevant to this issue.

Insults are when a person treats another with insensitivity or in a demeaning manner. Do you understand this? This question requires answering for it is relevant to this issue

The insult derives from intent. Feeling offended results from being hurt or upset by the other person’s remark regardless of their intent. I was not offended regardless of whether or not you did attempt to insult or offend me. What you did may have been an attempt to be offensive, and it is also irrelevant. I did not take it offensively regardless of your intentions. Do you understand this? This question requires answering for it is relevant to this issue.

I answered your question…the next step is that you answer mine. This is how communication works in our world jimmy. Answer these three questions and then we can move on. Thank you.

 

[jimmyjack]

I don’t make a habit of insulting people, although I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything.

I wasn't offended

Like I said, I struggle to see how you can be offended by anything.

 

[BodiSatva]

then it can only be assumed that I am not offended because you don't make it a habit of offending...so you are claiming that you did not offend and that is why I am not offended...yet when you say that you don't make it a habit...that you are in fact this time making an exception by actually trying to offend...

Yet, your inability to articulate and your insatiable desire to be clever make whatever the hell you are trying to say ridiculous. The score is beyond count a this point...I am throwing in the towel for you...you are to bloodied and your brain damage (From birth or game?) is to extensive for you to recognize.

This has been at times stupid and yet fun. You are actually one of the biggest wastes of thought that I have ever encountered...that is saying something. Say something.

 

[steen]

Don't tell me I didn't warn you.

 

[BodiSatva]

*shakes head slowly*
*sniff*

I know...I should have listened...

*raises head*
*senses hope*

Thank you...It is fully clear to me now...

*smiles at the new dawn*

:lol: haha... oh well, we all learn eventually...

*looks at jimmy*

well...not all of us...

 

[jimmyjack]

*shakes head slowly*
*sniff*

I know...I should have listened...

*raises head*
*senses hope*

Thank you...It is fully clear to me now...

*smiles at the new dawn*

:lol: haha... oh well, we all learn eventually...

*looks at jimmy*

well...not all of us...

Ok, I apologise, for being arrogant and condescending.

 

[FallingPianos]

You can choose not to be pregnant without abortion.

Yes, it is true, the choice not to be pregnant without abortion does exist and it is done on a far more humane level, it is called: abstinence

expecting everyone to either be abstinent, or to be willing to have children isnt that humane if you ask me.

this method will also help reduce sexually transmitted diseases and is an all round healthier option than alternate methods such as destroying humans in the womb.

abortion isnt an alternate method for preventing stds. condoms and monogamy are.

 

[Indy]

Jimmyjack I'm sorry but you aren't exactly sounding like a rational human being on this thread.

Kelzie: You said people should only do the funky chiken unless they want kids.

JimmyJack: No, I never said that.

Kelzie: Here's the link.

JimmyJack: See? I told you so!

Kelzie: ?? Told me what, I just posted the link.

Jimmyjack: That I never said that about the funky chicken.

Everybody: WHAT???

Jimmyjack: Blah blah blah I never said the EXACT words "funky chicken"

Dude, you can't be serious. Then you go onto further this image of you with this statment:

JimmyJack: Lactation is an acceptable form of birthcontrol.

Everybody: WHAT????

And if that wasn't enough you seem to have caught yourself in a tangled web. If you believe and I quote People should only have sex if they want to procreate, then why would you suggest having sex during lactation if it is indeed an effective form of birth control (which it is not)? Would having sex during lactation then be to avoid pregnancy and therby not falling within your requirement to only have sex to procreate? Dude, admit it you are WAY of kilter here. Nice try... no wait, it wasn't even a nice try. From the looks of it you didn't even put that much effort into it. Poor try.

 

[Indy]

what does the bible say about abortion?

Read and weep:


http://206.135.15.32/answers/aabort.Html

Um... I read the info from you little link and I never saw anything quoted from the bible that mentioned abortion. Perhaps you can quote it for us? Otherwise I would have to say "Read em and weep". Or perhaps this defense would work better:

Where is rape or sex mentioned?

So I ask to you: Where is abortion mentioned? So points to you then...

 

[jimmyjack]

expecting everyone to either be abstinent, or to be willing to have children isnt that humane if you ask me.



abortion isnt an alternate method for preventing stds. condoms and monogamy are.

But you think killing humans is humane? I think my option is the lesser of two evils, if you can even call my option evil.

Condoms have not stopped the spread of STD's, we have had condoms for years and AIDS and other STD's are rifer then ever.

 

[FallingPianos]

But you think killing humans is humane?

in some cases yes, including some abortions.

[abstinence] will also help reduce sexually transmitted diseases and is an all round healthier option than alternate methods such as destroying humans in the womb.

abortion isnt an alternate method for preventing stds. condoms and monogamy are.

Condoms have not stopped the spread of STD's, we have had condoms for years and AIDS and other STD's are rifer then ever.

true, but they do slow it down. abortion on the other hand does absolutly nothing to stop the spread of STDs.

 

[jimmyjack]

Jimmyjack I'm sorry but you aren't exactly sounding like a rational human being on this thread.

Kelzie: You said people should only do the funky chiken unless they want kids.

JimmyJack: No, I never said that.

Kelzie: Here's the link.

JimmyJack: See? I told you so!

Kelzie: ?? Told me what, I just posted the link.

Jimmyjack: That I never said that about the funky chicken.

Everybody: WHAT???

Jimmyjack: Blah blah blah I never said the EXACT words "funky chicken"

Dude, you can't be serious. Then you go onto further this image of you with this statment:

JimmyJack: Lactation is an acceptable form of birthcontrol.

Everybody: WHAT????

And if that wasn't enough you seem to have caught yourself in a tangled web. If you believe and I quote People should only have sex if they want to procreate, then why would you suggest having sex during lactation if it is indeed an effective form of birth control (which it is not)? Would having sex during lactation then be to avoid pregnancy and therby not falling within your requirement to only have sex to procreate? Dude, admit it you are WAY of kilter here. Nice try... no wait, it wasn't even a nice try. From the looks of it you didn't even put that much effort into it. Poor try.

My argument makes perfect sense, the translation for people who fail to comprehend it is this: When you have sex be prepared for the natural chain of events of that action, so having sex during lactation is a way of having sex and not getting pregnant, so long as the baby is using the breast milk. However if you get pregnant then you ought to do the right thing and let your son or daughter live. Killing it in the name of sex is not a justifiable means to kill your offspring.

 

[jimmyjack]

in some cases yes, including some abortions.

Killing humans is not humane; especially when we kill innocent humans in the name of sexual satisfaction.

true, but they do slow it down. abortion on the other hand does absolutly nothing to stop the spread of STDs.

No, a lot of people have abortions because condoms fail, so condoms are a primary culprit insofar as reasons people have abortions.

I agree condoms do absolutely nothing to stop the spread of AIDS. In fact they have only helped spread AIDS, since they lead people to believe that they won’t get AIDS, however they often break so it is a false sense of security.

 

[FallingPianos]

Killing humans is not humane; especially when we kill innocent humans in the name of sexual satisfaction.

killing something - human or not - which is incapible of sentience or feeling pain, is perfectly humane.

[abstinence] will also help reduce sexually transmitted diseases and is an all round healthier option than alternate methods such as destroying humans in the womb.

No, a lot of people have abortions because condoms fail, so condoms are a primary culprit insofar as reasons people have abortions.

perhaps.

but abortion does not stop the spread of STDs.