You can’t ban human nature

[rahl]

You are living in an alternate universe

Nope. It’s extremely rare. We actually keep track of this stuff. Math can be hard, I know.

 

[Cordelier]

Or ever.

Not really it would be the states.

Not according to the Constitution.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are living in an alternate universe

A lawful owner of a gun going berserk and murdering people? It's not that common.

 

[rahl]

Yep. It is called hanging

Hanging, not rope death. Because ropes can’t die. Neither can guns. So when you can’t get basic grammar right, you should stop discussing the topic.

 

[Citizen]

Well I hope I never have to do that but if I do I can.



And you are doing absolutely nothing

Messing with me won't do anything. Focus on the problem.

And you will impede every effort to help that doesn't result in more power for the government.

Poor argument

 

[CLAX1911]

Not according to the Constitution.

You'll have to show exact wording in the Constitution that first federal government can muster militia and that service in it is compulsory.

 

[Citizen]

A lawful owner of a gun going berserk and murdering people? It's not that common.

It happens everyday

 

[CLAX1911]

Poor argument

Against terrible argument.

 

[Cordelier]

That's military not militia

When a component of the militia is employed in the service of the United States, it is part of the military.

 

[Citizen]

Against terrible argument.

Sure

 

[CLAX1911]

It happens everyday

So? Unless you show it happening a million times everyday it's not statistically significant.

 

[CLAX1911]

When a component of the militia is employed in the service of the United States, it is part of the military.

US government has to request that from states.

 

[CLAX1911]

Sure

Your argument seems to be, "completely ignore the problem entirely and go after a scapegoat." If you didn't realize it's terrible you're incompetent.

 

[Cordelier]

You'll have to show exact wording in the Constitution that first federal government can muster militia and that service in it is compulsory.

Article I §8 cl. 16:

"[The Congress shall have Power] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"

 

[CLAX1911]

Article I §8 cl. 16:

"[The Congress shall have Power] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"

So I was right. The states call militia to muster. The fact that Congress prescribes that doesn't change it.

Ether way owing a gun doesn't compel service.

 

[Cordelier]

So I was right. The states call militia to muster. The fact that Congress prescribes that doesn't change it.

Ether way owing a gun doesn't compel service.

Article I § 8 cl. 15:

"[The Congress shall have Power] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

 

[CLAX1911]

Article I § 8 cl. 15:

"[The Congress shall have Power] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

To provide for?

Again owning a gun doesn't compel service.

 

[rahl]

It happens everyday

No it doesn’t

 

[Cordelier]

To provide for?

Again owning a gun doesn't compel service.

Congress has the power to organize the militia. A big part of that is determining the criteria for who is and who is not a member. How can you organize it if you don't know who the members are?

 

[CLAX1911]

Congress has the power to organize the militia.

But not call them to muster.

A big part of that is determining the criteria for who is and who is not a member. How can you organize it if you don't know who the members are?

So you think the government has a record of anybody that owns a gun?

 

[CLAX1911]

No it doesn’t

Even if it does that doesn't mean it isn't rare. 1 out of every 100,000,000 is extraordinarily rare. If we age it happens every day for a year 365 out of every 100,000,000 is like 0.0004% chance. Still extremely rare.

 

[Cordelier]

But not call them to muster.

So you think the government has a record of anybody that owns a gun?

I think it would be entirely constitutional for the Government to require registration of any classes of weapons it deems to be "militia grade". Given that it has the power to arm the militia, it means it also has the power to determine which classes of weapons are suitable for militia service. It couldn't just issue a blanket statement that any kind of firearm is suitable - whatever criteria it lays out must roughly match what they themselves would arm the militia with. In the modern context, that would probably be rifles chambered to shoot an intermediate cartridge and capable of accepting an external magazine.

 

[CLAX1911]

I think it would be entirely constitutional for the Government to require registration of any classes of weapons it deems to be "militia grade".

That doesn't mean anything.

Given that it has the power to arm the militia, it means it also has the power to determine which classes of weapons are suitable for militia service. It couldn't just issue a blanket statement that any kind of firearm is suitable

If the government wants to provide weapons for a household that's fine

- whatever criteria it lays out must roughly match what they themselves would arm the militia with. In the modern context, that would probably be rifles chambered to shoot an intermediate cartridge and capable of accepting an external magazine.

Again I wouldn't be against the government using fire arms to citizens.

 

[RF667799]

So you agree guns should be at least as regulated as cars. Good start.

They're more regulated than cars already.

 

[RF667799]

If you can't defend yourself without a gun then perhaps you are not much of a man?

Or you could be a woman.

That's one of the most senseless, baiting comments I've seen in a good while. You better stick telling us what a great demonstration of compassion it is to watch dogs shit.