You can’t ban human nature

aociswundumho · Jun 25, 2025

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

phoenix2020 · Jun 25, 2025

I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

Allan · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Today, they want to ban guns

They do?

Allan · Jun 25, 2025

phoenix2020 said:
I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

Weren't all three prohibition era Presidents Republican?

Loulit01 · Jun 25, 2025

phoenix2020 said:
I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

This genius idea was spearheaded by groups from the religious right like the Women's Christian Temperance Union. To say it was progressives is revisionist history.

It's happening again with anti-abortion legislation.

Scatty Kitty · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

phoenix2020 · Jun 25, 2025

Allan said:
Weren't all three prohibition era Presidents Republican?

Loulit01 said:
This genius idea was spearheaded by groups from the religious right like the Women's Christian Temperance Union. To say it was progressives is revisionist history.

It's happening again with anti-abortion legislation.

As I learned it, it was actually a strange combination of bedfellows - progressives wanting to assert a society protecting people from themselves, allied with religious conservatives who thought alcohol was brewed/distilled by Satan himself. One of the few times the extreme left and extreme right came together to ruin things for the rest of us.

tshade · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

???????? that was CONSERVATIVES that were anti-alcohol...........................your credibility just dropped off the cliff

aociswundumho said:
Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,”

just more sensible regulations

aociswundumho said:
as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

there are ways around that

aociswundumho said:
And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder.

no one is saying that

aociswundumho said:
The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

why not make it harder?

Crakhobarbie · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

Wrong.
"Progressives " had nothing to do with the implementation of the 18th ammendment.
Where did you get such nonsense?
Religious zealots lead the charge towards a dry America.
The anti-saloon league (asl), a group of Protestant evangelical old women were the main lobbyists.
As well as the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU).
Not a "progressive" amount them.
Just a gaggle of old religious zealots trying to legislate what they believed to be God's wishes.

Sorry to rain on your feeble attempt at progressive bashing.

j brown's body · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

I was thinking about this with regard to Trump's effort to deport 10 undocumented immigrants.

It's human nature for people to develop persojal relationships with their family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers. And now the government expects the nation to turn on them because "it's the law."

As you elude, human nature trumps the law.

No wonder people are upset when they see ICE.

Grand Mal · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

Progressives? Really.
Radical-right Christians were progressives?

aociswundumho said:
Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

You're just making shit up.

aociswundumho said:
Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

Good arguement for legalizing illegal drugs.

aociswundumho said:
And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

j brown's body · Jun 25, 2025

Crakhobarbie said:
Wrong.
"Progressives " had nothing to do with the implementation of the 18th ammendment.
Where did you get such nonsense?
Religious zealots lead the charge towards a dry America.
The anti-saloon league (asl), a group of Protestant evangelical old women were the main lobbyists.
As well as the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU).
Not a "progressive" amount them.
Just a gaggle of old religious zealots trying to legislate what they believed to be God's wishes.

Sorry to rain on your feeble attempt at progressive bashing.

I'm afraid he is right. Progressives did support Prohibition, along with Christians and women's groups.

What he doesn't say is that many progressives at the time were Republicans. They came over to the Democratic Party later, with FDR, who ended Prohibition, and the New Deal.

aociswundumho · Jun 25, 2025

j brown's body said:
It's human nature for people to develop persojal relationships with their family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers. And now the government expects the nation to turn on them because "it's the law."

I agree, good analogy.

Mr Person · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

Shit, I guess we shouldn't have laws.

phoenix2020 · Jun 25, 2025

j brown's body said:
I'm afraid he is right. Progressives did support Prohibition, along with Christians and women's groups.

What he doesn't say is that many progressives at the time were Republicans. They came over to the Democratic Party later, with FDR, who ended Prohibition, and the New Deal.

So, technically speaking, it was Republicans who came together with Conservatives to enact Prohibition?

SkyChief · Jun 25, 2025

aociswundumho said:
Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history.

Thankfully, Amendment XVIII (prohibition) was repealed.

aociswundumho said:
Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground. . .

Exactly. Americans understand that we have a natural right to keep and bear arms - just as Americans knew in 1933 that Americans knew that they had a natural right to drink.

If gun-grabbers want to take our guns, they must first repeal Amendment II.

Then they need to take them.

j brown's body · Jun 25, 2025

phoenix2020 said:
So, technically speaking, it was Republicans who came together with Conservatives to enact Prohibition?

Generally, progressives tended to be Republican who wanted to clean up the corruption of big city political machines that were controlled by Democrats.

The foot soldiers in these political machines were immigrants. At this time the KKK was re-emerging and they opposed immigration.

So the KKK tended to support the GOP!

Crazy world, isn't it?

RF667799 · Jun 25, 2025

Scatty Kitty said:
My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

Why do you press people to do things you hope will be hurtful to grieving parents?

Cosmo · Jun 25, 2025

Scatty Kitty said:
My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

Because child self-harm is only a thing because of guns.

Grand Mal · Jun 25, 2025

Cosmo said:
Because child self-harm is only a thing because of guns.

Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

RF667799 · Jun 25, 2025

Grand Mal said:
Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

No it isn't.

Cosmo · Jun 25, 2025

Grand Mal said:
Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

That's a parenting problem. How about a license to bear kids if you're so concerned?

Grand Mal · Jun 25, 2025

RF667799 said:
No it isn't.

Sure it is. When the kid in the child seat in the grocery cart picks a gun out of the mother's purse, it's the mother's right.

Grand Mal · Jun 25, 2025

Cosmo said:
That's a parenting problem. How about a license to bear kids if you're so concerned?

Dumbasses with guns will bring regulations down on you more surely than school shooters or mass killers.

rahl · Jun 25, 2025

Grand Mal said:
Sure it is. When the kid in the child seat in the grocery cart picks a gun out of the mother's purse, it's the mother's right.

No it isn’t

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