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You brought this gun debate on yourselves conservatives.

sangha said:
The fact that so few ae calling for a ban on guns is proof that your argument is delusional
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part of the incremental program is to deny one exists

the fact that everyone who wants a ban or more restrictions favors the stepping stones is reason enough to oppose it

why don't you tell us what additional laws you want and which ones you would oppose
 
sangha said:
Ahh, the "criminals don't obey the argument" which, curiously, is never used to suggest we eliminate the laws making murder a crime
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Uh that is because

1) murder is malum per se

2) if we don't punish murder then the victim's friends will engage in vendetta and society will start to fall apart

3) the stuff you want to criminalize in neither malum per se nor will failure to prosecute it lead to vigilante justice
 
sangha said:
You think I said something about banning, and accuse me of not getting it? :lamo

Requiring BGC's <> ban
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You are banning the sale of guns without a BGC. Again it doesn't work. It's like legal weed. We ban uncontrolled pot. Still does not work. Nor will it ever.

If you require a BGC, then people will simply go to the black market. You can't stop this.
 
sangha said:
The delusions of the 2nd amend bed wetters are not a factual basis for concluding that BGC requirements are the same as a ban
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Irrelevant. It still won't work. You can blaw blaw blaw all the time about whatever, doesn't change the fact that BGC requirements will not stop a single gun from making it to a criminal. Never has. Never will.
 
TurtleDude said:
Uh that is because

1) murder is malum per se

2) if we don't punish murder then the victim's friends will engage in vendetta and society will start to fall apart

3) the stuff you want to criminalize in neither malum per se nor will failure to prosecute it lead to vigilante justice
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1) So are straw purchases

2) The same goes for straw purchases

3) You're repeating yourself.
 
sangha said:
Yes, the non-existence of the plan to ban guns proves that the plan exists

Yeti lives!!
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posts that play dumb don't work on me. I know damn well what the dems are intending

for example, the Feinswine plan had been in the works for months before Newtown, they were just waiting for a hoped for tragedy to pop up to go into action
 
sangha said:
1) So are straw purchases

2) The same goes for straw purchases

3) You're repeating yourself.
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lame very lame

not doing a background check is not the same as intentionally supplying a felon with a weapon
 
Sparkles said:
You are banning the sale of guns without a BGC. Again it doesn't work. It's like legal weed. We ban uncontrolled pot. Still does not work. Nor will it ever.

If you require a BGC, then people will simply go to the black market. You can't stop this.
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Nope. It's not at all like banning weed. For one, we're not banning guns. And for two, weed doesn't kill
 
sangha said:
The fact that so few ae calling for a ban on guns is proof that your argument is delusional
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So few? The vast majority of the left is pushing for a ban on guns. What are you smoking?
 
TurtleDude said:
posts that play dumb don't work on me. I know damn well what the dems are intending

for example, the Feinswine plan had been in the works for months before Newtown, they were just waiting for a hoped for tragedy to pop up to go into action
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Yes, the fact that no one has proposed legislation to ban gun ownership is de facto proof that they were just waiting for Newtown before proposing legislation to ban gun ownership
 
sangha said:
Nope. It's not at all like banning weed. For one, we're not banning guns. And for two, weed doesn't kill
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weed should be legal

its amazing how many people who damn the idiotic war on drugs thinks its a good idea when applied to guns

probably because lots of liberals, progressives and socialists are dopers but not gun owners
 
sangha said:
Nope. Only a very small # of people are calling for a ban on guns
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their fellow travelers are using those calls to claim that the incremental steps are "reasonable"
 
again this hits home

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sangha said:
Ahh, the "criminals don't obey the argument" which, curiously, is never used to suggest we eliminate the laws making murder a crime
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Massive difference. Laws against murder do not make law abiding citizens less safe. Laws controlling or banning guns, do make law abiding citizens less safe.

Murder is a violation of a fundamental right to life. Purchasing a gun is not a violation of a fundamental right, and further laws which hinder or prevent a gun purchase, prevents lawful people from defending their right to life.

The fact is, criminals don't obey the guns laws. That's just a fact. Poohoo it if you want. It just makes you look dumb, because it's true. Thus any regulation or control, or prohibition is only going to effect the people who obey the law. Thus, all the people at Virginia Tech were completely helpless when faced with one armed guy. Who obeyed the gun free zone Federal law? The law abiding students and faculty, or the one mad man? Can you figure this out on your own, or do you need a hint?
 
sangha said:
Nope. It's not at all like banning weed. For one, we're not banning guns. And for two, weed doesn't kill
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But just like weed is still highly prevalent, banning straw purchases of guns won't go away either. It won't help.
 
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