You Are the Patrolmen: Scenario

[blackjack50]

You are riding patrol, you get a call for a suspected robbery to a store in your section. A suspect description is given: 6'0, tan Caucasian man, black sweatshirt, sun glasses, blue jeans. You respond. You are first on scene and other officers are on their way, but not there. Location unknown.

You begin to walk the building area. You round a corner and about 10 yards away you see a man fitting the description. His hands are in his sweat shirt pockets.

How do you proceed?
Begin:

 

[Goshin]

First of all I don't 'round the corner'. Pistol in hand, I approach it cautiously and "slice the pie", using the side-step "hammerhead" method I was taught to view the next section while remaining largely behind cover.

Upon seeing the suspect matching the description in question, I adopt the "barricade shooting" position, exposing only my gun, hand and half my face, and call out "Police! Put your hands on your head!"


Next move is his...

 

[blackjack50]

First of all I don't 'round the corner'. Pistol in hand, I approach it cautiously and "slice the pie", using the side-step "hammerhead" method I was taught to view the next section while remaining largely behind cover.

Upon seeing the suspect matching the description in question, I adopt the "barricade shooting" position, exposing only my gun, hand and half my face, and call out "Police! Put your hands on your head!"


Next move is his...

Interesting. Your firearm is drawn and ready to go?

I see no problem on a robbery call, but sadly some people would be upset at you for pointing your gun at a suspect, having it out, etc ad nauseum.

I will consider this when I write the next one. The scenario I based this on the suspect just pulls a gun and starts to fire.



4:45 mark is good

 

[blackjack50]

Use Of Force Scenarios


1.You are by yourself driving through an area that has several retail stores. You witness a man grab a woman's purse. The two of them are struggling for control of the purse. The man starts to strike the woman with his hands. What would you do?

 

[ksu_aviator]

You are riding patrol, you get a call for a suspected robbery to a store in your section. A suspect description is given: 6'0, tan Caucasian man, black sweatshirt, sun glasses, blue jeans. You respond. You are first on scene and other officers are on their way, but not there. Location unknown.

You begin to walk the building area. You round a corner and about 10 yards away you see a man fitting the description. His hands are in his sweat shirt pockets.

How do you proceed?
Begin:

KILL KILL KILL!

Just kidding, but the gun comes out and he is ordered onto the ground. If he complies, he is cuffed, searched and questioned. If he doesn't he risks getting shot.

 

[humbolt]

I toss a grenade around the corner and roll out in the prone position with my M4 after the detonation. If the grenade didn't get him, I will. That's why I'm not a cop.

 

[Goshin]

I toss a grenade around the corner and roll out in the prone position with my M4 after the detonation. If the grenade didn't get him, I will. That's why I'm not a cop.

ROFL. Sounds like MOUT... Military Ops in Urban Terrain. "If in doubt, throw a grenade..."


Yeah we didn't get to do that.

 

[blackjack50]

I think before I tell him to pull his hands out I want him to turn around. Makes more sense.

 

[humbolt]

ROFL. Sounds like MOUT... Military Ops in Urban Terrain. "If in doubt, throw a grenade..."


Yeah we didn't get to do that.

Heh. People think the police are trained to kill, but that's far from the truth. It takes a lot of discipline and a specific temperament to be a cop. The fun thing is to watch the untrained throw practice grenades. They get them out in a hurry.

 

[Goshin]

Use Of Force Scenarios


1.You are by yourself driving through an area that has several retail stores. You witness a man grab a woman's purse. The two of them are struggling for control of the purse. The man starts to strike the woman with his hands. What would you do?

I'll let someone else answer first this time, before I give mine.

 

[Goshin]

Interesting. Your firearm is drawn and ready to go?

I see no problem on a robbery call, but sadly some people would be upset at you for pointing your gun at a suspect, having it out, etc ad nauseum.

I will consider this when I write the next one. The scenario I based this on the suspect just pulls a gun and starts to fire.



4:45 mark is good

Robbery implies armed suspect. If I think the suspect may be armed, I'm drawing my sidearm.

That vid scenario is another reason why I approach corners and doors with caution. They can be your best friend or your worst enemy.

 

[blackjack50]

Robbery implies armed suspect. If I think the suspect may be armed, I'm drawing my sidearm.

That vid scenario is another reason why I approach corners and doors with caution. They can be your best friend or your worst enemy.

Yep. Very true. I mean that could play out very differently.

 

[blackjack50]

Use Of Force Scenarios


1.You are by yourself driving through an area that has several retail stores. You witness a man grab a woman's purse. The two of them are struggling for control of the purse. The man starts to strike the woman with his hands. What would you do?


Trying again:

 

[reinoe]

You are riding patrol, you get a call for a suspected robbery to a store in your section. A suspect description is given: 6'0, tan Caucasian man, black sweatshirt, sun glasses, blue jeans. You respond. You are first on scene and other officers are on their way, but not there. Location unknown.

You begin to walk the building area. You round a corner and about 10 yards away you see a man fitting the description. His hands are in his sweat shirt pockets.

How do you proceed?
Begin:

I appreciate the scenario presented however in the video it's deadly force confirmed and used whilein the scenario you present it's a suspected robbery.

 

[Goshin]

Use Of Force Scenarios


1.You are by yourself driving through an area that has several retail stores. You witness a man grab a woman's purse. The two of them are struggling for control of the purse. The man starts to strike the woman with his hands. What would you do?


Trying again:

Well nobody is talking so I guess I'll go again.

It depends. I'mma look around and see what the situation looks like. Does there appear to be accomplices nearby? Any witnesses? Can I stop safely or am I in heavy traffic?


Assuming I don't see any contra-indicating factors and I can safely stop my vehicle and exit, I'm headed over to whup the purse-snatchers ass. Prefer to come up behind and grab him before he knows I'm there, hip throw and SLAM to the pavement. Rinse and repeat or dance the stompada on his head as necessary.


No, it isn't necessarily the smartest thing to do. But it is the right thing to do.

 

[blackjack50]

I appreciate the scenario presented however in the video it's deadly force confirmed and used whilein the scenario you present it's a suspected robbery.

Absolutely. I wanted to be slightly more vague than the video.

 

[blackjack50]

Well nobody is talking so I guess I'll go again.

It depends. I'mma look around and see what the situation looks like. Does there appear to be accomplices nearby? Any witnesses? Can I stop safely or am I in heavy traffic?


Assuming I don't see any contra-indicating factors and I can safely stop my vehicle and exit, I'm headed over to whup the purse-snatchers ass. Prefer to come up behind and grab him before he knows I'm there, hip throw and SLAM to the pavement. Rinse and repeat or dance the stompada on his head as necessary.


No, it isn't necessarily the smartest thing to do. But it is the right thing to do.

Well you are obligated by law to intervene. Especially while you have the badge on.

I would call for backup first.

My personal choice would be to get close and get ready for a physical confrontation. I would be watching for weapons (assessing clothing and such). I think I would pull a night stick first if the department allows me to carry it (I don't like the ASP batons really). Mainly for the intimidation factor and give orders accordingly.

If I can get involved without being seen first I believe I would go in bare handed and use a simple takedown/control move.

 

[Goshin]

Well you are obligated by law to intervene. Especially while you have the badge on.

My personal choice would be to get close and get ready for a physical confrontation. I would be watching for weapons (assessing clothing and such). I think I would pull a night stick first if the department allows me to carry it (I don't like the ASP batons really). Mainly for the intimidation factor.

Oh. You didn't say anything about being on duty so I reverted to assuming I was a private citizen.

:shrug:

Same same.

If I was a cop these days, I'd probably tazer him.

 

[blackjack50]

Oh. You didn't say anything about being on duty so I reverted to assuming I was a private citizen.

:shrug:

Same same.

If I was a cop these days, I'd probably tazer him.

Yea. A lot of people reach for those. Technically the baton and taser would be "overkill." Which is amusing when you consider that as a civilian you would be justified to pull your gun.

 

[Ryriena]

This would be considered abuse to some people at least they didn't go for the gun.....

 

[Ryriena]

But that would require some police to lay off the donuts sorry Goshin couldn't resist. :lamo

 

[jaeger19]

You are riding patrol, you get a call for a suspected robbery to a store in your section. A suspect description is given: 6'0, tan Caucasian man, black sweatshirt, sun glasses, blue jeans. You respond. You are first on scene and other officers are on their way, but not there. Location unknown.

You begin to walk the building area. You round a corner and about 10 yards away you see a man fitting the description. His hands are in his sweat shirt pockets.

How do you proceed?
Begin:

First.. I don't "round the corner"... I would be very careful to make an observation before rounding the corner. On seeing the suspect, I would say "hello, sir would you please take your hands out of your pockets so that I can see them" (in the meantime I would draw my sidearm)..

then the ball is in his court, and I have partial cover. if he complies, and doesn'[t show a weapon. I will have him turn and place his hands on the wall and will probably wait for back up.

 

[Tettsuo]

This would be considered abuse to some people at least they didn't go for the gun.....

In every instance, the person is attacking. So no, it's not abuse, it's self-defense.

 

[Ryriena]

In every instance, the person is attacking. So no, it's not abuse, it's self-defense.

To some people not all I agree..

 

[Bodi]

You are riding patrol, you get a call for a suspected robbery to a store in your section. A suspect description is given: 6'0, tan Caucasian man, black sweatshirt, sun glasses, blue jeans. You respond. You are first on scene and other officers are on their way, but not there. Location unknown.

You begin to walk the building area. You round a corner and about 10 yards away you see a man fitting the description. His hands are in his sweat shirt pockets.

How do you proceed?
Begin:

I stay behind corner, identify myself with hand on gun and tell him to stop and put his hands on his head.