You are not Pro-Life

[CriticalThought]

I am Pro-Life. What does that mean?

I oppose abortion but I do not support criminalizing it since evidence seems to indicate such policies do not result in reducing the number of abortions and only result in threatening the lives of women who have abortions. I do however support the use and distribution of contraception since evidence shows that is actually reduces the numbers of abortions.

I oppose the death penalty since evidence does not support the idea that it is a deterrent and history has shown that many completely innocent men have been wrongly convicted and placed on death row.

I oppose needless war. Violence is only justified in defense, not for preemptive attacks or to expand control and influence across the world.

Opposing abortion alone does not make you Pro-Life. It only makes you Anti-Abortion.

If you value life, then you value the lives of women who choose to get abortions, you value the lives of prisoners who may be wrongly convicted, and you value the lives of those born in foreign lands. You value all life.

 

[nota bene]

What's your point? Is there a topic for debate here?

 

[CriticalThought]

What's your point? Is there a topic for debate here?

The point is simply that I am tired of Anti-Abortionists calling themselves "Pro-Life" and pretending that they actually value life.

I consider it good if you can't think of anything to debate about what I said in this thread. It means that my point is self evident to you.

 

[X Factor]

I'm totally fine with being called anti-abortion.

 

[CriticalThought]

I'm totally fine with being called anti-abortion.

I can't imagine any reason you wouldn't be fine with it.

If you are for criminalizing abortion then you are Anti-Abortion. Of course, that doesn't mean that criminalizing abortion is going to lead to less abortions or saving any human life. It just means you are against the practice to the extent that you want it to be illegal.

 

[nota bene]

The point is simply that I am tired of Anti-Abortionists calling themselves "Pro-Life" and pretending that they actually value life.

I consider it good if you can't think of anything to debate about what I said in this thread. It means that my point is self evident to you.

Well, gee, you could have offered a topic for debate. You didn't actually offer a point. Most of us are fairly adequate in debating when a point if proferred. Now you have introduced one, thank you.

Not that I'm interested in discussing your troll now that I know what it is.

:2wave:

 

[X Factor]

I can't imagine any reason you wouldn't be fine with it.

If you are for criminalizing abortion then you are Anti-Abortion. Of course, that doesn't mean that criminalizing abortion is going to lead to less abortions or saving any human life. It just means you are against the practice to the extent that you want it to be illegal.

Lol, are you seriously telling me what I think? Here's a question, if you say you're opposed to abortion, why would you be so antagonistic to others who also oppose abortion?

 

[CriticalThought]

Well, gee, you could have offered a topic for debate. You didn't actually offer a point. Most of us are fairly adequate in debating when a point if proferred. Now you have introduced one, thank you.

Not that I'm interested in discussing your troll now that I know what it is.

:2wave:

What is trollish about stating my belief that Anti-Abortionists do not really value life? I've stated quite clearly why it is evident they do not. They do not care about actually decreasing abortion since there is no evidence that criminalizing it will actually accomplish that task. They often are opposed to contraception even though it is proven to greatly reduce abortions. They do not consider the lives of women who have abortions to be of any significant value since they often disregard the fact that criminalizing abortion puts their lives at risk since they have to seek back alley means to have the procedure done. They often support the death penalty and needless wars even though those lead to substantial loss of life. If you don't support all life, then you can't really be considered Pro-Life.

 

[CriticalThought]

Lol, are you seriously telling me what I think? Here's a question, if you say you're opposed to abortion, why would you be so antagonistic to others who also oppose abortion?

I'm frustrated that Pro-Life has become synonymous with criminalizing abortion. I believe that true Pro-Life people recognize that at this point in time, criminalizing abortion does little to deter the practice and actually puts more lives at risk. If people truly oppose abortion and value life, then the issue needs to be approached compassionately and by seeking realistic technological and educational solutions rather than simply trying to establish arbitrary and likely harmful prohibitions.

 

[X Factor]

Unless you support somebody's choice to go by the term Pro-Life, you cannot call yourself pro-choice. Heck, "choice" is a far broader term than "life". If there's one "choice" you don't support, then you can't call yourself pro-choice. So there. :2razz:

Stupid semantic games. :roll:

 

[X Factor]

I'm frustrated that Pro-Life has become synonymous with criminalizing abortion. I believe that true Pro-Life people recognize that at this point in time, criminalizing abortion does little to deter the practice and actually puts more lives at risk. If people truly oppose abortion and value life, then the issue needs to be approached compassionately and by seeking realistic technological and educational solutions rather than simply trying to establish arbitrary and likely harmful prohibitions.

I don't give a tiny rat's ass about your frustration, besides, I don't buy it. It's your type that thrives on the divide and likes to drive a wedge between people. If you truly felt as you say you do about abortion, you'd be have some understanding of why we're anti-abortion, instead of throwing flames at people you supposedly, on some level, agree with.

 

[CriticalThought]

Unless you support somebody's choice to go by the term Pro-Life, you cannot call yourself pro-choice. Heck, "choice" is a far broader term than "life". If there's one "choice" you don't support, then you can't call yourself pro-choice. So there. :2razz:

Stupid semantic games. :roll:

I'm not Pro-Choice, I'm Pro-Life.

 

[CriticalThought]

I don't give a tiny rat's ass about your frustration, besides, I don't buy it. It's your type that thrives on the divide and likes to drive a wedge between people. If you truly felt as you say you do about abortion, you'd be have some understanding of why we're anti-abortion, instead of throwing flames at people you supposedly, on some level, agree with.

What flames? I'm simply telling you how it is. Don't call yourself "Pro-life" just because you support criminalizing abortion. Criminalizing abortion has nothing to do with valuing life. It is even possible that criminalizing abortion leads to increased abortion rates.

The entire abortion issue is a wedge issue because people have made it about life versus choice. There is no reason to prioritize one over the other. There is no reason that in time we couldn't completely eradicate the practice of abortion without having to criminalize it. Criminalizing it serves no purpose other than trying to punish people. It does not lead to reducing the number of abortions. If you actually care about reducing the number of abortions, then you won't get caught up in the life versus choice debate and you will look for solutions that work for everyone.

 

[X Factor]

What flames? I'm simply telling you how it is. Don't call yourself "Pro-life" just because you support criminalizing abortion. Criminalizing abortion has nothing to do with valuing life. It is even possible that criminalizing abortion leads to increased abortion rates.

The entire abortion issue is a wedge issue because people have made it about life versus choice. There is no reason to prioritize one over the other. There is no reason that in time we couldn't completely eradicate the practice of abortion without having to criminalize it. Criminalizing it serves no purpose other than trying to punish people. It does not lead to reducing the number of abortions. If you actually care about reducing the number of abortions, then you won't get caught up in the life versus choice debate and you will look for solutions that work for everyone.

Oh well, hell, let's decriminalize everything since criminal laws have no effect on anything any way. That way, there'll be no crime because nothing will be against the law. If you truly opposed abortion, you'd have some understanding about why we believe the law should protect the unborn, even if you don't agree with it.

 

[CriticalThought]

Oh well, hell, let's decriminalize everything since criminal laws have no effect on anything any way.

That is particularly intellectually dishonest of you. I didn't say that criminalizing has no effect on anything. There are many areas in which criminalizing is definitely beneficial. Abortion is simply not one of them. That is what the evidence shows me.

Please do not invent an argument to debate. Debate my argument. It is not intelligent to put words in people's mouths and from that create a strawman to attack. I don't approve of you using such a tactic.

 

[Jerry]

I am Pro-Life. What does that mean?

I oppose abortion but I do not support criminalizing it since evidence seems to indicate such policies do not result in reducing the number of abortions and only result in threatening the lives of women who have abortions. I do however support the use and distribution of contraception since evidence shows that is actually reduces the numbers of abortions.

I oppose the death penalty since evidence does not support the idea that it is a deterrent and history has shown that many completely innocent men have been wrongly convicted and placed on death row.

I oppose needless war. Violence is only justified in defense, not for preemptive attacks or to expand control and influence across the world.

Opposing abortion alone does not make you Pro-Life. It only makes you Anti-Abortion.

If you value life, then you value the lives of women who choose to get abortions, you value the lives of prisoners who may be wrongly convicted, and you value the lives of those born in foreign lands. You value all life.

I'm Pro-Life. No one has the right to kill anyone else unless they are a threat to others.

 

[CriticalThought]

I'm Pro-Life. No one has the right to kill anyone else unless they are a threat to others.

What is a "threat to others"? Is that a prisoner who is locked in a maximum security prison? Is that a weak rogue nation that might develop nuclear bombs?

 

[Jerry]

The point is simply that I am tired of Anti-Abortionists calling themselves "Pro-Life" and pretending that they actually value life.

I consider it good if you can't think of anything to debate about what I said in this thread. It means that my point is self evident to you.

In my case I get labled by pro-choice and just roll with it for the sake of not derailing a thread into word-wars.

 

[Jerry]

What is a "threat to others"? Is that a prisoner who is locked in a maximum security prison? Is that a weak rogue nation that might develop nuclear bombs?

Generally: Self-defense , tho specific cases are highly circumstantial and fact-dependent.

A rogue nation developing nuks who is also making threats = a person holding a gun or knife who is threatening you. Just as you can be justified in shooting that person before they actually take a swing at you with the knife, so can a country be justified in attacking a rogue nation before they actually launch a missile. In the same way is a women who was advised by her doctor that her pregnancy may very well endanger her life, justified in getting an abortion before the pregnancy actually posses and immediate and imminent threat.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I'm pro-life. I believe blood makes the grass grow. I believe that old growth needs to burn off to make room for new growth. I believe that every living thing survives and thrives only through the suffering and death of other living things and that the sick and the weak exist only to provide food for the strong and the fit; I believe that the unfit must be allowed to perish in order to make room for their superiors.

 

[jamesrage]

I am Pro-Life. What does that mean?

I oppose abortion but I do not support criminalizing it since evidence seems to indicate such policies do not result in reducing the number of abortions and only result in threatening the lives of women who have abortions. I do however support the use and distribution of contraception since evidence shows that is actually reduces the numbers of abortions.

You are not pro-life.

Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life.

I oppose the death penalty since evidence does not support the idea that it is a deterrent and history has shown that many completely innocent men have been wrongly convicted and placed on death row.

I oppose needless war. Violence is only justified in defense, not for preemptive attacks or to expand control and influence across the world.

This has nothing to do with pro-life.Just like pro-choice has nothing to do with supporting peoples choices to buy firearms,peoples choices to eat what ever the **** they want,Peoples choices to use school vouchers to send their kids to a private school of their choice,peoples choices to erect ten commandment monuments,peoples choices to do all sorts of other things.

Opposing abortion alone does not make you Pro-Life.

You are correct.You also need to be opposed to legalized abortion.

Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life.

If you value life, then you value the lives of women who choose to get abortions, you value the lives of prisoners who may be wrongly convicted, and you value the lives of those born in foreign lands. You value all life.

Pro-life doesn't have anything to do with those.Just like pro-choice has nothing to do with supporting peoples choices to buy firearms,peoples choices to eat what ever the **** they want,Peoples choices to use school vouchers to send their kids to a private school of their choice,peoples choices to erect ten commandment monuments at city hall, and peoples choices to do all sorts of other things.

 

[X Factor]

I'm pro-life. I believe blood makes the grass grow. I believe that old growth needs to burn off to make room for new growth. I believe that every living thing survives and thrives only through the suffering and death of other living things and that the sick and the weak exist only to provide food for the strong and the fit; I believe that the unfit must be allowed to perish in order to make room for their superiors.

That's funny Vik, I saw this exact thing written in a Hallmark card. It was in their "Good Riddance" section.

 

[jamesrage]

I'm not Pro-Choice, I'm Pro-Life.

You are pro-choice I.E. pro-abortion since you favor abortion being legal. If you were pro-life you would oppose abortion being legal.

Pro-choice - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

: favoring the legalization of abortion


Pro-abortion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: favoring the legalization of abortion

I'm frustrated that Pro-Life has become synonymous with criminalizing abortion. I believe that true Pro-Life people recognize that at this point in time, criminalizing abortion does little to deter the practice and actually puts more lives at risk. If people truly oppose abortion and value life, then the issue needs to be approached compassionately and by seeking realistic technological and educational solutions rather than simply trying to establish arbitrary and likely harmful prohibitions.

The pro-life position is the opposition to legalized abortion as a means of birth control. The reason we are pro-life is because we believe that the child in the womb is a human being and therefore deserves the same legal protections as someone outside the womb.That is why we are pro-life and oppose legalized abortion. So the idea that someone who is pro-life should give a rats ass that some trying to kill their own child might suffer or die is idiotic.It amounts to feeling sorry for some other attempted murderer,attempt rapist or burglar who got killed while in the commission of a crime.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

That's funny Vik, I saw this exact thing written in a Hallmark card. It was in their "Good Riddance" section.

I told you I write for a living.

 

[mpg]

I can't imagine any reason you wouldn't be fine with it.

If you are for criminalizing abortion then you are Anti-Abortion. Of course, that doesn't mean that criminalizing abortion is going to lead to less abortions or saving any human life. It just means you are against the practice to the extent that you want it to be illegal.

Some people are anti-abortion but think it should be legal. IYO, what should we call people who think abortion should be illegal?