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Yes He 'bones' 16 yr Olds, But Man, Can He Sing! Should art outlive the victims?

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You can anticipate the question. Ryan Granthum, Mark Walburg, Bill Cosby, Chris Brown. What is your personal duty to deny these gifted talented and notorious entertainers and further income, direct or indirect or fame/adulation? Will you watch Cosby's old shows, or listen to his comedy record? Let's say Walburg gets out, and wants to revive his career in a blockbuster movie. Is it wrong to buy those tickets?

How much evidence do you need? Kevin Spacey has yet to be convicted of a thing but there is a lot of smoke surrounding every movie, play or TV show he's been in. Will you watch his next?

If we succumb to the fad of boycotts when villains produce art, their income and their art both compromised.

Please do not dodge this by telling us how you don't think Cosby is funny or you never liked Spacey's show anyway. that is really not the question this thread asks. Should we participate in boycotts designed to punish criminal or immoral behavior?
 
People who think they have a “personal duty” to celebrities are people who should be avoided at all costs.
 
Napoleon said:
People who think they have a “personal duty” to celebrities are people who should be avoided at all costs.
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what about people who think they have a personal duty to victims of predator celebrities because that is what the OP talks about
 
btthegreat said:
You can anticipate the question. Ryan Granthum, Mark Walburg, Bill Cosby, Chris Brown. What is your personal duty to deny these gifted talented and notorious entertainers and further income, direct or indirect or fame/adulation? Will you watch Cosby's old shows, or listen to his comedy record? Let's say Walburg gets out, and wants to revive his career in a blockbuster movie. Is it wrong to buy those tickets?

How much evidence do you need? Kevin Spacey has yet to be convicted of a thing but there is a lot of smoke surrounding every movie, play or TV show he's been in. Will you watch his next?

If we succumb to the fad of boycotts when villains produce art, their income and their art both compromised.

Please do not dodge this by telling us how you don't think Cosby is funny or you never liked Spacey's show anyway. that is really not the question this thread asks. Should we participate in boycotts designed to punish criminal or immoral behavior?
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Sorry but never heard of any of them but Cosby and he NEVER was funny. Ever. I never understood how or why people thought he was.
 
btthegreat said:
You can anticipate the question....
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Mark Wahlburg? Did I miss something?

Anyway... There is no universal answer to this question. It's up to the individual to decide how they will, or will not, apply their moral codes to the arts.

That said: To me, a few things are quite important:

• How certain is the moral judgement
• Is the individual benefitting from my patronization of their work
• Is the work itself making an unethical statement
• Does the work become hypocritical based on the alleged moral offense
 
lynnwinslow said:
You would financially support the work of known pedophiles. Read their books, go to their concerts, etc.
hmmm.
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What is there to “hmmm” about? Again, I buy products not people. I don’t want to know what problems plague their life nor do I care. And any peons who think they can influence them with their purchases has an inflated sense of self-importance.
 
Visbek said:
Mark Wahlburg? Did I miss something?

Anyway... There is no universal answer to this question. It's up to the individual to decide how they will, or will not, apply their moral codes to the arts.

That said: To me, a few things are quite important:

• How certain is the moral judgement
• Is the individual benefitting from my patronization of their work
• Is the work itself making an unethical statement
• Does the work become hypocritical based on the alleged moral offense
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Mah-kee Mahk is an exercise in almost schizo level hypocrisy.
One second he's Dirk Diggler, another second he's John Bennett in "Ted" and then the next second you turn around and he's moralizing about how he's a good Catholic Dad and how nobody should watch his movies because it's a sin but it's okay that he did them because he's "just a good guy from Boston" and it's all because he had too many beers one night and the red guy with the pointy tail on his left shoulder got the better of him. 😆
 
It's certainly a turn off. As a Rihanna fan, I simply cannot listen to Chris Brown anymore. The fact that women still support him is nuts.

Another one is Kanye West. I used to love his music and could excuse some of his craziness but it got to a point where I couldn't excuse him as person and separate his music.
 
Napoleon said:
What is there to “hmmm” about? Again, I buy products not people. I don’t want to know what problems plague their life nor do I care. And any peons who think they can influence them with their purchases has an inflated sense of self-importance.
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You do you.
 
btthegreat said:
You can anticipate the question. Ryan Granthum, Mark Walburg, Bill Cosby, Chris Brown. What is your personal duty to deny these gifted talented and notorious entertainers and further income, direct or indirect or fame/adulation? Will you watch Cosby's old shows, or listen to his comedy record? Let's say Walburg gets out, and wants to revive his career in a blockbuster movie. Is it wrong to buy those tickets?

How much evidence do you need? Kevin Spacey has yet to be convicted of a thing but there is a lot of smoke surrounding every movie, play or TV show he's been in. Will you watch his next?

If we succumb to the fad of boycotts when villains produce art, their income and their art both compromised.

Please do not dodge this by telling us how you don't think Cosby is funny or you never liked Spacey's show anyway. that is really not the question this thread asks. Should we participate in boycotts designed to punish criminal or immoral behavior?
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I tend to avoid the work of such people but I have to be pragmatic and recognize that it isn't much of a sacrifice. After all, there is so much media and art out there to enjoy, that writing off the work of a few villains has a negligible impact on me. I sacrifice virtually nothing by choosing to skip the next Walburg movie because there are 1,000 other movies I could watch.

And let's face it, it might prove to be good decision because I might be avoiding the next Happening.



On the flip side I won't begrudge someone who likes Cosby's work and wants to watch it. I'd just politely excuse myself.
 
Personally I always separate the art from the artist, I think it's silly not to. If there's a song I love, and I later find out the person who wrote it is a complete scumbag, does that mean I shouldn't love the song anymore? What am I supposed to do, un-love it retroactively?
 
btthegreat said:
You can anticipate the question. Ryan Granthum, Mark Walburg, Bill Cosby, Chris Brown. What is your personal duty to deny these gifted talented and notorious entertainers and further income, direct or indirect or fame/adulation? Will you watch Cosby's old shows, or listen to his comedy record? Let's say Walburg gets out, and wants to revive his career in a blockbuster movie. Is it wrong to buy those tickets?

How much evidence do you need? Kevin Spacey has yet to be convicted of a thing but there is a lot of smoke surrounding every movie, play or TV show he's been in. Will you watch his next?

If we succumb to the fad of boycotts when villains produce art, their income and their art both compromised.

Please do not dodge this by telling us how you don't think Cosby is funny or you never liked Spacey's show anyway. that is really not the question this thread asks. Should we participate in boycotts designed to punish criminal or immoral behavior?
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I haven't been following the case all that closely, but I thought Spacey was acquitted of the charges against him?
 
Cordelier said:
I haven't been following the case all that closely, but I thought Spacey was acquitted of the charges against him?
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He was and that’s the problem with these public lynch mobs. They hear a mere accusation and nothing else.
 
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