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Writing a book

what type of stuff did you write?

Suspense, Romantic Suspense, and Romance, mostly. Made an excellent living at it for 15 years, and loved everything about the business... except the traveling, speeches, and nightmare of public relations, lol! In other words, I loved the writing... tolerated everything else! :lol:
 
Suspense, Romantic Suspense, and Romance, mostly. Made an excellent living at it for 15 years, and loved everything about the business... except the traveling, speeches, and nightmare of public relations, lol! In other words, I loved the writing... tolerated everything else! :lol:

What made you give it up? Just burned yourself out, or something? I just ask because it seems like one of those things you could always can keep a hand in, even if it was just on the side

PS on a side note, i recently got around to finally reading the princess bride, and was amazed how how well and cleverly written it was. It's one of those rare books it would seem hard to not enjoy, for anyone
 
What made you give it up? Just burned yourself out, or something? I just ask because it seems like one of those things you could always can keep a hand in, even if it was just on the side...

Health issues. Writing for fun is great; writing as a business is very, very tough work. I wrote on contract, which meant that they'd give me a 3-book contract, sight unseen, along with dates when each synopsis and each manuscript was due on my editor's desk. Too sick to make deadline? Tough noogies.

People just don't realize that constructing a cohesive novel, plotting out when to reveal information, when to withhold it, how to avoid cliches and end a chapter in a way that makes the reader just have to start the next chapter to see what happens... people are not born with this knowledge. They spend a great deal of time learning it, and once they have, they spend a great deal of time rewriting, reviewing edits, rewriting edits (STAT, DAMMIT, STAT-STAT-STAT!!!) and all on an incredibly tight schedule. Frequently I'd be up all night reviewing manuscript changes that had to be made and in the mail by 8:00 am the next morning. The publishing business is run on deadlines, hard work, traveling to meet the right people at the right time, keeping your name in business publications, etc.

Writing is a hobby. Publishing what you write, not so much. :lol:
 
ahh, that makes sense
 
Maybe one day I can read some of your work

Sure, What do you like to read? I have written a bunch of short stories and novella's, all practice for what I hope will someday be my memoirs. I ran them on Zoetrope and had one published in an E-Zine. No money, but it was fun and all of this has given me writing experiences and a gain of knowledge.
 
Sure, What do you like to read? I have written a bunch of short stories and novella's, all practice for what I hope will someday be my memoirs. I ran them on Zoetrope and had one published in an E-Zine. No money, but it was fun and all of this has given me writing experiences and a gain of knowledge.
All kinds, if it keeps me interested I'll read it
 
Yes, I've written 32 novels which were not "self-published", but published by a legitimate publisher. I've sold over 6 million copies in more than 2 dozen languages around the world. And each one of them took considerably more than two days to write.

But that was back in the day, before anyone with enough time on their hands could empty their thoughts into their keyboards, upload it to a website, and call it a book. Sorry, whatever your wife is selling, I certainly won't be buying. :shrug:

Very impressive.

My daughter is helping her type the bibliography, do the indexing and glossary.

A novel is a different creature entirely. Her book is not fiction and is her writing out very complex biochemical and medical research materials covering decades and from around the world. It is very possibly that you, like me, would not understand half the words of the bibliography. I would imagine it takes a great deal of creativity and writing skills to write commercially viable novels.

However, I know it takes a great deal of knowledge for her to be writing what she is writing and probably a special skill to put such massive technical information into ordinary people's hands making the knowledge understandable and useable to the ordinary person.

For example, I picked off one item from the bibliography for the first 70 pages - just 1 of over 100 - for those who actually would care to check out what she is writing in more specific technical terms:

Moran A P and Upton ME: Effect of Medium Supplements, Illumination and Superoxide Dismutaseon the Production of Coccoid Forms of Campy-lobacter jejuni ATCC29428. J. Appl. Bacteriol. 987;62(1): 43-51.

Such medical, biochemical and medical study materials cited so far are from the USA, France, Germany, Japan, Great Britain, South Africa, Netherlands, Denmark, Hungary and Switzerland.

Did you research your novels as well or have as much knowledge when you wrote them? And could you correlate and compact compact 150 such studies so that a person that graduated from high school with a C+ average could understand what means to that person in a half day easy reading? Or are such people below your high status?

Did your novels have a bibliography where you back up anything you are trying to convey? Or just you mouthing away on paper only of your own mind?

You certain may congratulate yourself on the back for your success. Few writers dependent upon a publisher succeed. But overall, I am fairly confident that she has more research and overall time in her book than you possibly had in any of your novels, her book actual does something for people more than being a written TV soap opera, and the ability to self publish and selling directly means that she, not a publisher, takes not only most but all of the profit. Nor does she need a middleman to market her book, you did.

Nor is s/he who moves slowest moves best either.

And while you can sneer at people "writing books" on the Internet, she made piles of $$ doing so at exponentially increasing levels and likely has a vastly greater collection of contacts and info sources than you do thru your publisher - that didn't take here dozens of years to acquire. One reason is her ability to communicate complex matters in simple language people can understand, rather than trying to prove she is academically superior.

Beware of arrogance. Writing about reality of some useful value might just be more difficult than writing fantasy books.
 
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Beware of arrogance...

Says the man who created yet another entire thread devoted to bragging about himself and his family!!! Beware indeed! :lamo
 
PS. I have NO clue what that bibliography item nor many of the others are even talking about. I do understand the general topic area. I volunteered to alphabetize bibliography, which is a cut-and-paste pain. Our daughter will be doing the index plus proof reading and she will receive a portion of each book sale in return.
 
Says the man who created yet another entire thread devoted to bragging about himself and his family!!! Beware indeed! :lamo

In context your message doesn't work, does it? Pride in my family is one thing. Your sneering down from some self-proclaimed superiority over them is another thing. :roll:
 
Very impressive.

My daughter is helping her type the bibliography, do the indexing and glossary.

A novel is a different creature entirely. Her book is not fiction and is her writing out very complex biochemical and medical research materials covering decades and from around the world. It is very possibly that you, like me, would not understand half the words of the bibliography. I would imagine it takes a great deal of creativity and writing skills to write commercially viable novels.

However, I know it takes a great deal of knowledge for her to be writing what she is writing and probably a special skill to put such massive technical information into ordinary people's hands making the knowledge understandable and useable to the ordinary person.

For example, I picked off one item from the bibliography for the first 70 pages - just 1 of over 100 - for those who actually would care to check out what she is writing in more specific technical terms:

Moran A P and Upton ME: Effect of Medium Supplements, Illumination and Superoxide Dismutaseon the Production of Coccoid Forms of Campy-lobacter jejuni ATCC29428. J. Appl. Bacteriol. 987;62(1): 43-51.

Such medical, biochemical and medical study materials cited so far are from the USA, France, Germany, Japan, Great Britain, South Africa, Netherlands, Denmark, Hungary and Switzerland.

Did you research your novels as well or have as much knowledge when you wrote them? And could you correlate and compact compact 150 such studies so that a person that graduated from high school with a C+ average could understand what means to that person in a half day easy reading? Or are such people below your high status?

Did your novels have a bibliography where you back up anything you are trying to convey? Or just you mouthing away on paper only of your own mind?

You certain may congratulate yourself on the back for your success. Few writers dependent upon a publisher succeed. But overall, I am fairly confident that she has more research and overall time in her book than you possibly had in any of your novels, her book actual does something for people more than being a written TV soap opera, and the ability to self publish and selling directly means that she, not a publisher, takes not only most but all of the profit. Nor does she need a middleman to market her book, you did.

Nor is s/he who moves slowest moves best either.

And while you can sneer at people "writing books" on the Internet, she made piles of $$ doing so at exponentially increasing levels and likely has a vastly greater collection of contacts and info sources than you do thru your publisher - that didn't take here dozens of years to acquire. One reason is her ability to communicate complex matters in simple language people can understand, rather than trying to prove she is academically superior.

Beware of arrogance. Writing about reality of some useful value might just be more difficult than writing fantasy books.

What you describe in the OP honestly sounds like a modern twist on Snake Oil Salesmanship. Who is your wife (that's rhetorical, don't tell me) that someone should listen to regarding potentially very serious health issues? The book could actually do more harm than good if someone forgoes legit treatment for the snake oil.
 
What you describe in the OP honestly sounds like a modern twist on Snake Oil Salesmanship. Who is your wife (that's rhetorical, don't tell me) that someone should listen to regarding potentially very serious health issues? The book could actually do more harm than good if someone forgoes legit treatment for the snake oil.


It will prevent harm as it warns of bad advice by "snake oil salesman" who give truly dangerous "expert" medical advice to try to maximize sale of their products - which they are likely only virtually marketing anyway. This "new" bad, dangerous information can spread across the Internet like wildfire. And people do get hurt by it - particularly when parents start treating their children or desperate old folks do to themselves.

Her materials, Internet and now this book, more explain "don't" rather than "do" in relation to the alternative health and counter-culture healthcare circles.

They should listen to her because she explains the rationale behind what she is saying, rather than just declaring BELIEVE ME! like a PT Barnum snake oil seller. For example, in the book she will explain as she did on website exactly why injecting a popular certain substances in your blood stream will likely cause massive and permanent physical injury, brain damage or death - but explaining how the substance actually works and why it works if you swallow it - BUT how it tears you up if you inject it. People have died by doing so for bad Internet advice. Not 1 in 10,000 health website ever confer with the FDA. She did and her facility was licensed.

The alternative healthcare and counter-culture health care folks don't believe a damn thing the FDA says. Indeed the more the FDA warns, the more those folks are convinced doing the exact opposite must be the secret fountain of youth. She actually demonstrated to the FDA's horror, with one harmless supplement, that the more intensely she wrote the FDA did not approve of it, the more people bought it. If the FDA is THAT much against it then it MUST be fabulous to many people's mind.

Ultimate a person can believe what they want. She is one of the VERY few people who writes and post on such topics that does not curse the FDA (which is stupid anyway to get on their radar) and strongly urges people to go to their doctor. Her book is replacing a very popular book on the same topic area, but that author had increasingly raised the wholesale price beyond what allowed retailers a fair profit. So my wife is writing a replacement. She vehemently warns not to follow the advise of the book her's will replace as it urges radically high levels of usage of certain very controversial and dangerous substances. Nor does my wife ever promise any cure for anything.

But a person can believe whoever and whatever they want.

Besides, "freedom of speech," huh? There a million snakeoil sellers with 100 million websites and tens of thousands of books.
 
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It will prevent harm as it warns of bad advice by "snake oil salesman" who give truly dangerous "expert" medical advice to try to maximize sale of their products - which they are likely only virtually marketing anyway. This "new" bad, dangerous information can spread across the Internet like wildfire. And people do get hurt by it - particularly when parents start treating their children or desperate old folks do to themselves.

Her materials, Internet and now this book, more explain "don't" rather than "do" in relation to the alternative health and counter-culture healthcare circles.

They should listen to her because she explains the rationale behind what she is saying, rather than just declaring BELIEVE ME! like a PT Barnum snake oil seller. For example, in the book she will explain as she did on website exactly why injecting a popular certain substances in your blood stream will likely cause massive and permanent physical injury, brain damage or death - but explaining how the substance actually works and why it works if you swallow it - BUT how it tears you up if you inject it. People have died by doing so for bad Internet advice. Not 1 in 10,000 health website ever confer with the FDA. She did and her facility was licensed.

The alternative healthcare and counter-culture health care folks don't believe a damn thing the FDA says. Indeed the more the FDA warns, the more those folks are convinced doing the exact opposite must be the secret fountain of youth. She actually demonstrated to the FDA's horror, with one harmless supplement, that the more intensely she wrote the FDA did not approve of it, the more people bought it. If the FDA is THAT much against it then it MUST be fabulous to many people's mind.

Ultimate a person can believe what they want. She is one of the VERY few people who writes and post on such topics that does not curse the FDA (which is stupid anyway to get on their radar) and strongly urges people to go to their doctor. Her book is replacing a very popular book on the same topic area, but that author had increasingly raised the wholesale price beyond what allowed retailers a fair profit. So my wife is writing a replacement. She vehemently warns not to follow the advise of the book her's will replace as it urges radically high levels of usage of certain very controversial and dangerous substances. Nor does my wife ever promise any cure for anything.

But a person can believe whoever and whatever they want.

Besides, "freedom of speech," huh? There a million snakeoil sellers with 100 million websites and tens of thousands of books.

Ok, but if you're going to be reading a book about all this medical advice, wouldn't you hope it was by someone who spent more than a day on it? You can either want us to be impressed at her speed or at her thorough, exhaustive research. It can't be both (and it obviously can't be the latter).
 
Erm.....

As the opposite of the OP (20 hours to write a book), I sort of have a book in my head... I've tried writing it but whilst I've got the plot and "undercurrent" thingy in my head I've found that the actual stringing words together is a skill I don't posses. If there's anyone out there who wants to collaborate with a complete novice/idiot to do a hard science near future SF thing the I'll do my best to keep up....

I'd love to write a book shame I'm not up to it.
 
Says the man who created yet another entire thread devoted to bragging about himself and his family!!! Beware indeed! :lamo

lol @ idea Joko's fan fiction having anything to do with reality. Can anyone even tally up all the inane and fantastical claims Joko has made here?
 
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So you had no citations in the articles?
They don't need citations. Anyone who would want to read them already is well versed in physics and chemistry.
 
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Ok, but if you're going to be reading a book about all this medical advice, wouldn't you hope it was by someone who spent more than a day on it? You can either want us to be impressed at her speed or at her thorough, exhaustive research. It can't be both (and it obviously can't be the latter).

I understand your point. The "do" advice is as simple as "drink 12 drops of this in 8 ounces of water 2 times a day. Do not use with 1 hour of taking any prescription medicine and talk to your doctor first."

The entire book comes down to that in terms of "do" advice. The "don't" advice is don't put it in your eyes, your ears, a nebulizer, or inject it. People have been blinded, made deaf, destroyed their health and died doing so in the past.

The book explains the theory of how it works - which then explains it's potential benefit and potential harms. She promises no cures. The rest is just chatter mostly about the importance of a good diet and eating healthy foods, healthy living and good mental perspectives, and basic vitamins and minerals - to ask their "healthcare advisor" which ones - which is advice retailers also will like. She vehemently warns against con-artists and frauds promising miracle cures on the Internet.

There is a time urgency and why the first run is only 10,000 copies. This allows a rewrite and editing.

It is replacing a popular book - in a raiding sense - for which that author has become arrogant and increasingly raised the wholesale price - to the point there is little profit left for retailers and other marketers.They want a replacement book, so she's writing one. Her company supplied probably 75% of both physical stores and online sellers in that product line - including such as Whole Foods, GNC, Vitamin World etc - often under their own private label. It is a niche market product. So this book is rushed so they have a quick replacement wholesale source for the book because they do not want to buy the now overpriced other book.

The book it is replacing also is lay written. The other book curses the FDA, AMA and doctors as criminal conspirators deliberately killing people - and claims a person only needs do this to cure basically every disease and illness - listing everything from cancer to HIV/AIDS - and thus a person no longer needs their doctor or prescriptions, and to use 75 drops 4 times a day. It gives no warnings.

My wife had tangled with that author over this, and with all such product she sold included in the instructions not to follow that other book's advise, doing the same on her websites. The alternative book she had instead offered was WAY over most people's head. So she instead had a website that on the label people could go to, plus label warnings.

The alternative health products market is the world of PT Barnums, people selling out of their homes and writing anything and everything to make a sale. There are tens of thousands of books and tens of thousands of products. Most actually do nothing. Some are beneficial. Some are harmful.

The subject/substance she is writing on does nothing in very low usage, may offer some benefits with moderate usage, and is very harmful in excessive usage. Anyway, that is the reason for the fast output. She can edit and improve it for the next run. She just needs to get some out now to capture that niche market - which she dominated for the product itself when in business so has the contact with the retailers. One, for example, sells about 200 per week. Others, 10 to 20. Most sell maybe 1 to 2 per week out of their book rack or off their website. Collectively, this lead to hundreds or thousands sold per week.

In this first run, she intends to capture the market for independent small retail stores. Having the book, she can then make corrections on an edit, have it printed and send a free sample to the larger retailers - particularly the big online sellers, plus retailing it herself via such as Amazon and a website for the book, plus offer affiliate sales - all which she knows how to do. Her and her partner were very skilled at targeting a competitor and blitzing them to take nearly all their business in a surprise attack. She needs to get a book on the topic, ANY book, available now to grab the small retailers who currently are pissed off at the other author.

Books like what she is writing are mostly about what I call chattering. The substance of the book that matters - do this and don't to that - probably could be reduced to 5 pages. Most books are like that.

The bibliography, which is real, is mostly just for looks for most people. However, there are legitimate professionals including doctors who engage in alternative methods including that substance. The bibliography demonstrates she's familiar with the topic.

This all tells me that she's going back into business, but in a much easier level from different directions. In the typical wholesale-retail mix, as she will do both, she'll make about $4.50 a book when retail sales of the book are considered in it. Hundreds a week is likely a certainty and thousands a week not impossible, particularly at first. But this is all in a marketing field she was in and knows (and is known in). She does not use her real name as there are nuts in the alternative health world.

I do understand your point, but this isn't a medical journal. It's just a book in an ocean of such books. It likely will do more good than harm. But, of course, mostly it is a business venture about making money. Even if the book is crap and no one buys another copy, she'd made about $30K for what will be about 60 hours work for her and our daughter when adding sending them out. That's a worse case result. Or she could sell a hundred thousand copies over the year. Time will tell.

There are people who write books like this in the alternative health market, knocking out about 1 every 2 months, as their profession. Few are written well and are just 99% chattering hype. She's not on a moral crusade. She seized on easy money.
 
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Erm.....

As the opposite of the OP (20 hours to write a book), I sort of have a book in my head... I've tried writing it but whilst I've got the plot and "undercurrent" thingy in my head I've found that the actual stringing words together is a skill I don't posses. If there's anyone out there who wants to collaborate with a complete novice/idiot to do a hard science near future SF thing the I'll do my best to keep up....

I'd love to write a book shame I'm not up to it.

Do you think it will market? If so, write it out best you can and hire someone, even just someone in a college English class. But I don't think you'll have luck if you just have a good idea for a book and want someone else to write it.

From what little I know, the only way to write a book is to just sit down and start writing - from the start, middle, or end - just do it, just start writing it however it comes out. Then go back over it and rewrite it. Finally, have someone else proof read and edit it.

Lots of people have good ideas for books. There is nothing wrong with hiring someone to fix it up, but you have to write it first. In my wife's instance, our daughter - who has very high writing and rules of English grammar skills - is serving as editor to make certain it is grammatically correct, efficient, and so forth. My wife knows the topic and she knows how to chatter away about it. Our daughter will sure no one looks at it and concludes "this person doesn't know how to write" for those who are into strict correctness in writing skills. It's a good combination.
 
Do you think it will market? If so, write it out best you can and hire someone, even just someone in a college English class. But I don't think you'll have luck if you just have a good idea for a book and want someone else to write it.

From what little I know, the only way to write a book is to just sit down and start writing - from the start, middle, or end - just do it, just start writing it however it comes out. Then go back over it and rewrite it. Finally, have someone else proof read and edit it.

Lots of people have good ideas for books. There is nothing wrong with hiring someone to fix it up, but you have to write it first. In my wife's instance, our daughter - who has very high writing and rules of English grammar skills - is serving as editor to make certain it is grammatically correct, efficient, and so forth. My wife knows the topic and she knows how to chatter away about it. Our daughter will sure no one looks at it and concludes "this person doesn't know how to write" for those who are into strict correctness in writing skills. It's a good combination.
You overestimate my skill and the need, for me, to chat to somebody rather than be able to be as academic as I would like to be.

It's a bit like me being good at building stuff with my hands being in partnership with an architect who does not know which end of a hammer to hold. Together we are fine, separate rubbish.
 
You overestimate my skill and the need, for me, to chat to somebody rather than be able to be as academic as I would like to be.

It's a bit like me being good at building stuff with my hands being in partnership with an architect who does not know which end of a hammer to hold. Together we are fine, separate rubbish.

Your writing skills seem ok. You probably are underestimating yourself or making excuse. Writing is work.
 
My wife is writing a book to be self-published (soft cover). She started this morning and will have it ready for the printer on Monday. Blazing speed, but that's how she does it. It is on an alternative health topic. 10,000 initial copies, 9,000 of which are pre-sold. 1,000 for Amazon and private marketing. Subsequent copies of course could be printed.

Next month she plans to write a book on Native American medicine.

But she also priced having capsules made by an FDA licensed facility with his ingredients as none of it is regulated or restricted as the substances (all inorganic/mineral composites) have never been considered in any medical context. Thus it would be OTC unregulated. From her previous business in which she ordered capsules to her specifics for OTCs and supplements by the millions from an FDA licensed company, it is only a matter of costs. A million would cost her 3 cents each. A billion would cost 2 cents each. Because they are common natural substances, she cannot patent or copyright it - other than she CAN copyright what she calls it, which is how she will refer to it in the book.

Equally curious, is the core mineral is so rarely used there is very little supply of it just because no one uses it for hardly anything - meaning she could basically buy up all of it before kicking off. Buy from her - or buy from no one. Her business had done that for one very costly substance (bought out the market) and had made a killing on it after successfully promoting it. Buy it from her company, or not at all as no one else had it.

When she had her business, she probably sold a half a million books written by others and a billion capsules and pills, so this isn't foreign territory for her. In a sense, her websites were mini-books. I would guess her reasoning is that anyone who buys the book would want to try his miracle substance - so it is both overtly an historic book and covertly a marketing book. By making it available wholesale and for affiliate sales, if it "hits" in the alternative health market she could easily sell a million copies. And millions of bottles of capsules marketed the same way wholesale and directly retail. However, it is a more difficult book to write and will have to be more skillfully written to be seen as legitimate.

All this indicates to me she is, overall, planning to go back into business but probably from different directions. in her view, IF she did so, it would either make a little bit of money as any such book will, or it will make at least 10 million dollars in the first year. It depends on whether the book "hits" or not. 99.9% don't. She is a realist. The reason for the "historic" book, which isn't a marketing book, is because it is a very relevant and fascinating history - that could be of particular interests to some people in the fields of science, who are Jewish, and in psychology - as it foremost ends up a psychology topic. How could such a brilliant man come to literally and completely deny to himself that he is Jewish? In turn, that could legitimize the marketing version of the book.

That someone can decide "I'm going to write a book" and 20 hours later it's done is amazing to me. But that is basically what she was doing with her commercial websites and since those were exorbitantly successfully apparently she knows how to do so well. Her method is simple. She just starts writing it - and it goes where the book goes as she does.

Have any of you written a book?

ive tried before but i have never gotten very far. your wife must be seriously good to write books that fast.
 
Suspense, Romantic Suspense, and Romance, mostly. Made an excellent living at it for 15 years, and loved everything about the business... except the traveling, speeches, and nightmare of public relations, lol! In other words, I loved the writing... tolerated everything else! :lol:

My wife in her youth read hundreds of romance novels along the Harlequin lines. Very clean type stories. Maybe she read yours. She sees her own life as a series of romance novels and writes a journal of her life and thoughts in the context of her personal romance novel. Even pencil art drew romance cover novels for her own future romance fantasies.
 
My wife in her youth read hundreds of romance novels along the Harlequin lines. Very clean type stories. Maybe she read yours. She sees her own life as a series of romance novels and writes a journal of her life and thoughts in the context of her personal romance novel. Even pencil art drew romance cover novels for her own future romance fantasies.

Nice try... but no. :rofl
 
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