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wow somthing we can all agree on

when will thay legalize pot

  • some time in the near future

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • not for years to come

    Votes: 10 34.5%
  • never

    Votes: 10 34.5%
  • i dont care

    Votes: 3 10.3%

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wow we all tend to disagree on pretty much every thang but going through the different threads iv noticed a subject that weather your a Democrat, liberal, republican, libertarian, etc we all pretty much agree, aside from a very few people. the war on drugs for the most part it seams every one agrees it is a wast of money a wast of man power it creates prison over population, for non violent crimes, and the government stands to make millions even billions, instead of spending hundreds of billions each year. so my question is when will the politicians start lessening to the people and legalize drugs, at least pot?
 

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Despite all the good reasons for legalization, I voted "not for years to come."

Most candidates rightfully believe that supporting legalization is political suicide.
 

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I voted 'sometime in the near future'.

I can see the day when tabbaco is illegal and pot is legal. Sad really.

This is one of the areas that I think Gabo and I would see eye to eye.

If a business wants to test for it and fire an employee based on that test, that is reasonable. Other than that, legalize it and tax the hell out of it.
 

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I voted sometime in the near future. There already are a couple states which make allowances for medicinal marijuana. I think that there is a lot of ignorance around marijuana, it's usage, effects, and history, that need to be disspelled before legalization.
 

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I voted 'not for years.' It'll take that long for them to argue how it will be regulated. Don't plan on smokin' it if and when they do.
 

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ye i thank the popular view, that most Americans, at least the intelligent ones, fell that their is really no reason for pot to be illegal. it cost to much money to fight it yet its no more harmfully than alcohol, but lets remember prohibiting, it ended it just took time. the sad thang is i thank most if not all politicians know the same thangs we know about pot, and what the popular view of the war on drugs is, yet no politician wants to be the first one to come out and support legalization. i thank their afraid of the backlash from their piers and the public.
 

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skabanger13 said:
ye i thank the popular view, that most Americans, at least the intelligent ones, fell that their is really no reason for pot to be illegal. it cost to much money to fight it yet its no more harmfully than alcohol, but lets remember prohibiting, it ended it just took time. the sad thang is i thank most if not all politicians know the same thangs we know about pot, and what the popular view of the war on drugs is, yet no politician wants to be the first one to come out and support legalization. i thank their afraid of the backlash from their piers and the public.
Yeah, like we don't have enough misery already. Let's everyone get stoned. Professor Timothy Leary had it right didn't he? "Tune in, turn on, drop out."

That'll solve all the problems. And, if it doesn't solve some, we'll be too mellow to care.
 

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like i sead most people thank its a good idea their are a few like fantasea that don't. tell me why the government should be allowed to tell me what i can and cant put in my body next thang you know thay will be telling me i cant eat cheese burgers because thay are bad for me. when will it end?
 

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Not for years but it will happen.

I say within 10-20 years. The reason is that I believe that eventually the nation will adopt a more liberal view. In 10-20 more years the liberal school systems and universities will produce a major crop of liberal "thinkers" that will promote this view and become active in government.
 

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oh god no, you mean our country is going to be over run by libs, every one run for the hills.
 

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By the way...I don't agree with it. The last thing we need is another drug so people can get wasted and kill other people (drunk driving, etc...). Why have a product that is going to impair people. It makes no sense.

It should only be used for medical reasons.
 

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Thor said:
It should only be used for medical reasons.
Does suffering from "dealing with website nonsensia" count? :lol:
 

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even if its not legal, like now people still find a way to get it and still use it, and pot doesn't impairer you as much as alcohol yet alcohol is completely legal.
 

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even if its not legal, like now people still find a way to get it and still use it, and pot doesn't impairer you as much as alcohol yet alcohol is completely legal.
I can't debate that since I do neither. I think both need to be illegal. I see no benefit to them but a ton of harm that comes from them.
 

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I don't smoke. Well I do smoke sometimes but only cigars and they certainly don't get me "high." I do drink sometimes but rarely more than one drink in the evening.

For me the arguments around why we should legalize the da*n stuff revolve around what we're collectively paying trying to force people to stop using it. The strategy isn't working and it clearly hasn't been working for years, possible ever. We might well stand in the ocean and try to hold back the tide. We'd have just as much success. Though standing in the surf wouldn't have nearly as much cost to the tax payers. Removing marijuana from the "war on drugs" and concentrating on drugs such as heroin or meth would just make more sense to me. You have more funds to fight other criminal activity and you could focus on the harder drugs.

Here's a link to a group that I belong to, they might be able give you some more info regarding this topic: http://www.leap.cc/
 

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skabanger13 said:
like i sead most people thank its a good idea their are a few like fantasea that don't. tell me why the government should be allowed to tell me what i can and cant put in my body next thang you know thay will be telling me i cant eat cheese burgers because thay are bad for me. when will it end?
It will end for you and me as it has ended for all others; when they close the lid.
 

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Pacridge said:
For me the arguments around why we should legalize the da*n stuff revolve around what we're collectively paying trying to force people to stop using it. The strategy isn't working and it clearly hasn't been working for years, possible ever.
Removing marijuana from the "war on drugs" and concentrating on drugs such as heroin or meth would just make more sense to me. You have more funds to fight other criminal activity and you could focus on the harder drugs.
Turning a cost center (enforcing a questionable law) into a profit center (taxing it aggressively as a controlled substance, makes absolute sense to a reasoned person. It will be difficult however overcoming the popular beliefs that marijuana is just a stepping stone to more addictive drugs. If that logic were followed with alcohol, Coors and Busch would be illegal. As always Pac, you are presenting a reasonable solution.

By the way Thor and Batman... as a sometime Socialist - Lib... blah blah blah, I can tell you I am one of the very few of my generation who has never, ever partaken of the "evil" weed. I wish I could say the same for our Republican, conservative, religious, moral, holier than thou President. I think you guys need to look within before you start throwing stones... oh I'm sorry, that is a fine Christian tradition as well.
 

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I think you guys need to look within before you start throwing stones... oh I'm sorry, that is a fine Christian tradition as well.
Did I mouth off to you?
 

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Hoot said:
Despite all the good reasons for legalization, I voted "not for years to come."

Most candidates rightfully believe that supporting legalization is political suicide.
i would tend to agree with hoot because you have to realize it would kill their elderly vote.
 

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I voted never. I don't think the American people are ever going to wake up on this issue. In politics money drives everything. In this issue the main sources of funding against legalization comes from groups such as the alcohol industry and pharmaceutical industry. They both employ lobbyist and public relation companies at huge costs for a reason. They don't want/need the competition.

For example over the past 30 years, extremely vigorously for the past 10 or so, drug companies have been fighting against legalization of medical marijuana. Claiming the active agent in the plant, THC, has no medical value. All the while they've been developing a synthetic source of THC so they could market it. They now have that source, Marinol http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/marinol1.htm, and they’ve obtained FDA approval. They’re still paying big bucks to lobbyist to keep law makers from siding with the medical marijuana supporters and they still pay public relations firms big bucks to circulate the claim marijuana has no medical value. Now they’ve simply shifted their argument slightly to say “smoking marijuana has no medical value.” I hear that now every time one of these guy’s comes on the news and speaks about medical marijuana. They used to simply say the drug it self had no medical value. Now that they're selling monthly supplies of an edible, ingestible THC for $500-770 for a months supply. Suddenly it’s just the smoked variety that has no value. Never mind that a large % of medical users who grow their own also eat the stuff. They turn it into something called “Canabutter” and bake it into cookies and the ever popular brownie. The average citizen can grow a whole lot of the stuff for way less then $500-700 a month. But pharmaceutical companies are not interested in you being able to grow your own medicines now are they? And they’re willing to shell out huge amounts of cash to law makers to make sure that never happens.

So the cash will keep flowing and it will never be legal. IMO.

 

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Pacridge said:
I voted never. I don't think the American people are ever going to wake up on this issue. In politics money drives everything. In this issue the main sources of funding against legalization comes from groups such as the alcohol industry and pharmaceutical industry. They both employ lobbyist and public relation companies at huge costs for a reason. They don't want/need the competition.

For example over the past 30 years, extremely vigorously for the past 10 or so, drug companies have been fighting against legalization of medical marijuana. Claiming the active agent in the plant, THC, has no medical value. All the while they've been developing a synthetic source of THC so they could market it. They now have that source, Marinol http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/marinol1.htm, and they’ve obtained FDA approval. They’re still paying big bucks to lobbyist to keep law makers from siding with the medical marijuana supporters and they still pay public relations firms big bucks to circulate the claim marijuana has no medical value. Now they’ve simply shifted their argument slightly to say “smoking marijuana has no medical value.” I hear that now every time one of these guy’s comes on the news and speaks about medical marijuana. They used to simply say the drug it self had no medical value. Now that they're selling monthly supplies of an edible, ingestible THC for $500-770 for a months supply. Suddenly it’s just the smoked variety that has no value. Never mind that a large % of medical users who grow their own also eat the stuff. They turn it into something called “Canabutter” and bake it into cookies and the ever popular brownie. The average citizen can grow a whole lot of the stuff for way less then $500-700 a month. But pharmaceutical companies are not interested in you being able to grow your own medicines now are they? And they’re willing to shell out huge amounts of cash to law makers to make sure that never happens.

So the cash will keep flowing and it will never be legal. IMO.

Many, if not most, regulated medicinal remedies produced by the pharmaceutical industry are derived from plant material. The products are evaluated for efficacy, purity, and other qualities.

If there is a medicinal benefit that can be derived from cannabis, then its resulting product should be treated as any other regulated pharmaceutical product.

Throwing the gates wide open to every actual and potential pot-head would be insane. There are already too many 'legal' ways to become intoxicated.
 

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Fantasea said:
Many, if not most, regulated medicinal remedies produced by the pharmaceutical industry are derived from plant material. The products are evaluated for efficacy, purity, and other qualities.

If there is a medicinal benefit that can be derived from cannabis, then its resulting product should be treated as any other regulated pharmaceutical product.

Throwing the gates wide open to every actual and potential pot-head would be insane. There are already too many 'legal' ways to become intoxicated.
You are right, and the key in the equation is the right to "regulate", which even when done vigorously results in the current pain killer issues. I might argue however that many products offer medicinal benefit without being regulated as a pharmaceutical. Vitamin supplements etc., but, I'm not saying cannibus is in that class.

Liquor is one of the major sources of tax revenue for the states. Cannibus offers the same opportunity if properly regulated, manufactured and taxes. Afterall, these states are lining up to put slot machines and casinos everywhere, to cut their budget deficits... why not a sin tax on pot?
 
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