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so Texans don't want to be Americans anymore.......that says a mouthful right there confederate tea party.....lol no the feds are not going to give up any real estate sorry
im sorry there are more whites on welfare than blacks we are only 12 percent of the country and 85 percent of us work....do the math...that was a sad thing to say..but what do we expect from some people
I'm against self determination.
At any rate the U.S. Civil War settled this matter through the only currency that ultimately matters.
Blood.
5th gen Texan here and I think the whole succession thing is BS.
You mean it could cause some sort of, let's see, what's that called? Oh yeah. Civil War. How well did that work out before for those states trying to leave?
And a heavy reliance on federal funded infrastructure
I can't see that happening, as much as Texans fantasize about another civil war. The US government would arrest the leaders and then reincorporate Texas, or bring economic pressure to bear until they gave up.
To understand why the answer is NO a person only has to look at Eastern Europe, the Middle East and even the European Union.
The smaller an entity is, the more vulnerable it is to invasion and revolution, subject to the whims of MAJOR powers, and the worse off it's economy becomes.
Why just Texas? Why not every county in Texas being it's own country? Or every town? Or what about my own house and property being my own country? Why can't I do that? Why not abolish all government and declare each person is their own country and their own nation?
Yeah, it sounds cool to some to say the Confederates should have had their own country, arguing some zealotry zippyhead head ideological slogans - pretending then reality MUST exist consistent with it because it is so philosophically corrrect.
It would be the coolness of Germany and Japan winning WWII cool or, if not, the USSR having come to dominate the world.
Historically, for thousands of years, none federalized regions were militarily defeated and, often, totally erased from history's future. EMPIRES can last a long time. Tiny countries do not.
I've been here a mere 5 or 6 years... haven't met a secessionist yet.
....read about a few in the papers though.
so Texans don't want to be Americans anymore.......that says a mouthful right there confederate tea party.....lol no the feds are not going to give up any real estate sorry
On the issue of small countries being vulnerable to big ones, I think it's too hard to generalise like this and I don't understand your last sentence at all. Colonial Britain managed to rule India for a time. Japan controlled large parts of China at times. On the other hand, small countries which stay out of international political conflicts are less likely to attract the attention of aggressors e.g. Switzerland, Iceland, various countries in Central and South America.To understand why the answer is NO a person only has to look at Eastern Europe, the Middle East and even the European Union.
The smaller an entity is, the more vulnerable it is to invasion and revolution, subject to the whims of MAJOR powers, and the worse off it's economy becomes.
Why just Texas? Why not every county in Texas being it's own country? Or every town? Or what about my own house and property being my own country? Why can't I do that? Why not abolish all government and declare each person is their own country and their own nation?
Yeah, it sounds cool to some to say the Confederates should have had their own country, arguing some zealotry zippyhead head ideological slogans - pretending then reality MUST exist consistent with it because it is so philosophically corrrect.
It would be the coolness of Germany and Japan winning WWII cool or, if not, the USSR having come to dominate the world.
Historically, for thousands of years, none federalized regions were militarily defeated and, often, totally erased from history's future. EMPIRES can last a long time. Tiny countries do not.
there's lots of very small countries that would like to have a word with you...
On the issue of small countries being vulnerable to big ones, I think it's too hard to generalise like this and I don't understand your last sentence at all. Colonial Britain managed to rule India for a time. Japan controlled large parts of China at times. On the other hand, small countries which stay out of international political conflicts are less likely to attract the attention of aggressors e.g. Switzerland, Iceland, various countries in Central and South America.
On the economic success of small countries, Norway and Switzerland are small in population and they lead the way in Europe. Neither are even in the EU. Russia is a huge country with huge resources and still it has not managed to achieve Western lifestyles for most of its people.
On self-determination, there are a number of loose criteria in international law including size. There has to be a certain element of self-sufficiency for a group to reasonably claim sovereignty, which would not be the case for a town with no agriculture or independent electricity supply, for example. It is an interesting discussion though. There are still sovereignty disputes in the world and consideration of the criteria for nationhood which we could talk about.
that's interesting... being against self determination.
can you elaborate on why you are against it?
How many small countries rely on BIG countries to protect them?
As someone who condemned the idea after World War 1 said.
"There will never be enough territory to satisfy the demands of EVERY distinct religious, ethnic, or political group"
In accordance with the OP hypothetical and having lived 27 years of life in Texas:
-Within 24 hours of Texas GOP declaring secession the Hard-Blue Democrat black/Mexican lower class majorities of Houston Texas would burn the entire city down. Houston is where all of Texas's oil is refined as well as most of US's, Venezuela's and Mexico's oil refined. This would both end the Texas's economy and send the global economy into a "Super Great Depression" that would last several years at minimum. Global oil would hit $400 a barrel.
-South Texas for thousands of miles is over 90% Mexican and is generational dark-blue Democrat and is near completely dependent, even now, on US Federal benefits. Once Texas GOP secedes South Texas would likely secede from Texas. This entire region of Texas has a visceral hatred and has for decades of Texas GOP.
-Upon finding out that Texas GOP secessionists were actually going to secede, the Houston/Dallas oil Oligarchs would order contract killings on those key politicians. The oligarchs would never accept being ruined by Texas secessionists. These are people in downtown Houston that live in high rise apartments with millions of dollars intertwined in international markets. Their kids all fly to NYC on a whim. They go to top notch schools. They're deeply interconnected to the global jet set crowd. They stand with scotch at funeral parlors and talk of "the white trash scum" who they represent with callousness. They know exactly what will happen to their fortunes if secession is allowed. Their bought and paid for whore politicians will never even "usher in" secession. That's why this whole thread is illogical. (And I sympathize with that, your average Texan hasn't talked to these people. They haven't seen the Texas Jet Set crowd or met them. They don't realize these people are international capitalists totally tied at the hip to places like NYC, Chicago, London, Berlin. The average person in Texas simply doesn't grasp that.)
we've heard your "the sky will fall based on race and party affiliation" bull**** already...
Here's food for thought. If there are government retirees living in the state of Texas, and Texas secedes, will these retirees still get their pensions or be cut off, unless they move to another state? Now, there are retired Americans living in foreign countries, and they still receive their pensions, so maybe the government would gladly still pay these pensions to these secessionists as well.
Oh yeah didn't think you'd like that psot lol
Still pretending that Texas Democrats who hate Texas GOP would support secession eh? You never do answer that do you? Instead just ignoring that fact
agreed.It is basically folklore we all kid around about
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